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I don't know much about John Fury, but the little bit I do know makes me think Tyson has done very well to turn out as decent as he has.

I cant help but love Tyson,even when he's going off on one and talking cobblers

His rant ringside at Price and Bellew was 1 of the funniest thing ive seen

Manchester Massive wrote:
I've met him at a car auction and he was extremely likeable and polite. However I have also seen him at the auctions fronting people up and intimidating anyone who dare to bid against him when bidding for a car. He is charismatic, polite and honourable but can also be a violent bully.

There is an old man I know personally in around my area who happens to be a millionaire. If he likes you, he will ask you "Do you want to bid on that item?" and he won't bid against you. Hell if he really likes you, he'll help you win the damn thing. But if he don't know you from Adam, or he outright disrespects you.... forget it.... you will never win what you want.

Hate to say it but my own mother (at auctions) is the same way if she has it in her head that she wants something she will say "Dont even bother bidding, cus I will put up my house and car and all my collateral to get it if I want it." So as far as that story you tell goes, thats just the name of the game at auctions.

HomicideHenry wrote:

Manchester Massive wrote:
I've met him at a car auction and he was extremely likeable and polite. However I have also seen him at the auctions fronting people up and intimidating anyone who dare to bid against him when bidding for a car. He is charismatic, polite and honourable but can also be a violent bully.

There is an old man I know personally in around my area who happens to be a millionaire. If he likes you, he will ask you "Do you want to bid on that item?" and he won't bid against you. Hell if he really likes you, he'll help you win the damn thing. But if he don't know you from Adam, or he outright disrespects you.... forget it.... you will never win what you want.

Hate to say it but my own mother (at auctions) is the same way if she has it in her head that she wants something she will say "Dont even bother bidding, cus I will put up my house and car and all my collateral to get it if I want it." So as far as that story you tell goes, thats just the name of the game at auctions.

Does she wanna come round mine and play a bit of poker, sounds like a goldmine

lillywhite14 wrote:He does seem a bit of a bully. I wonder if he is as loud and brash around Akinwande? Any footage of that fight?

I garuntee you, John Fury talked the same way even then. Win, lose, or draw, John Fury wasn't afraid. And I actually give him some damn big props for Akinwande. Why? Look at his record. Fury was only 8-2-1 as a pro when he fought Akinwande. The best win of his career was against a man who was 17-2-1 (Cesare Di Benedetto), the rest were pro debuters or bottom feeders. Akinwande was 11-0-0 (7) and was much taller, rangier. Best of my knowledge Fury hadn't fought in eight months prior to Akinwande. John Fury is 6'3", Akinwande was 6'7". All in all, him getting knocked out by a man who would (seven fights later) be the EBU champion, and later WBO champion isn't such a bad thing.

From my own understanding, John Fury was a part-time fighter. He wasn't the work horse that his son is. He was a big, strong, tough man who had decent skills. But by his own admission Fury will say he was just a journeyman. Most of the time John Fury was wheeling and dealing in horses or cars or doing business elsewhere. I will say, though, I have tried in vain to try and find so much as a picture of this fight let alone film. Or as a matter of fact, I have only seen three pictures of him either training or fighting. Two were for the same fight, and I think that was Neil Malpass for the BBC Central Area title. The other was him with Bartley Gorman hitting a punching bag in preperation for the Akinwande fight..... the interesting part of the picture is.... the little boy with long blonde hair watching the two men work out was Tyson Fury :P

macaca wrote:
Does she wanna come round mine and play a bit of poker, sounds like a goldmine

Now, now.... mother jokes went out with the 90s.... bad form my good man.

HomicideHenry wrote:

macaca wrote:
Does she wanna come round mine and play a bit of poker, sounds like a goldmine

Now, now.... mother jokes went out with the 90s.... bad form my good man.

No I actually didnt mean anything I was genuinely saying people like her are great at the poker table, cannot leave a tasty pot and bet the farm

HomicideHenry wrote:

Manchester Massive wrote:
I've met him at a car auction and he was extremely likeable and polite. However I have also seen him at the auctions fronting people up and intimidating anyone who dare to bid against him when bidding for a car. He is charismatic, polite and honourable but can also be a violent bully.

There is an old man I know personally in around my area who happens to be a millionaire. If he likes you, he will ask you "Do you want to bid on that item?" and he won't bid against you. Hell if he really likes you, he'll help you win the damn thing. But if he don't know you from Adam, or he outright disrespects you.... forget it.... you will never win what you want.

Hate to say it but my own mother (at auctions) is the same way if she has it in her head that she wants something she will say "Dont even bother bidding, cus I will put up my house and car and all my collateral to get it if I want it." So as far as that story you tell goes, thats just the name of the game at auctions.

Though it is different, on the one hand knowing that someone wealthy will outbid you for what you would like and on the other hand being physically intimidated old frightened if you dare bid on something someone else wants. Henry, you seem to live in an elaborate fantasy land where physically dangerous people act with honour and according to long established rules of conduct - hand on heart I can tell you that this is not always the case.

Indeed. Physically dangerous, violent men and acting according to rules, the two don't really go together.

Cue henry and a lecture on the unique code.of travellers and its inherent honour and dignity.

Counter-puncher wrote:Indeed. Physically dangerous, violent men and acting according to rules, the two don't really go together.

Cue henry and a lecture on the unique code.of travellers and its inherent honour and dignity.

I'm sitting here hoping he mentions the gypsy grapevine which works faster than the internet. I feel rotten mentioning it because on balance Rufus is pretty sound but it does make me smile and shake my head.

mercman wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:He does seem a bit of a bully. I wonder if he is as loud and brash around Akinwande? Any footage of that fight?

I garuntee you, John Fury talked the same way even then. Win, lose, or draw, John Fury wasn't afraid. And I actually give him some damn big props for Akinwande. Why? Look at his record. Fury was only 8-2-1 as a pro when he fought Akinwande. The best win of his career was against a man who was 17-2-1 (Cesare Di Benedetto), the rest were pro debuters or bottom feeders. Akinwande was 11-0-0 (7) and was much taller, rangier. Best of my knowledge Fury hadn't fought in eight months prior to Akinwande. John Fury is 6'3", Akinwande was 6'7". All in all, him getting knocked out by a man who would (seven fights later) be the EBU champion, and later WBO champion isn't such a bad thing.

From my own understanding, John Fury was a part-time fighter. He wasn't the work horse that his son is. He was a big, strong, tough man who had decent skills. But by his own admission Fury will say he was just a journeyman. Most of the time John Fury was wheeling and dealing in horses or cars or doing business elsewhere. I will say, though, I have tried in vain to try and find so much as a picture of this fight let alone film. Or as a matter of fact, I have only seen three pictures of him either training or fighting. Two were for the same fight, and I think that was Neil Malpass for the BBC Central Area title. The other was him with Bartley Gorman hitting a punching bag in preperation for the Akinwande fight..... the interesting part of the picture is.... the little boy with long blonde hair watching the two men work out was Tyson Fury :P

Henry - I was at that Fury v Malpass fight and also Fury v Adam Fogarty, and I can tell you that John Fury didn't have decent skills. He was big and burly but pretty crude, and looked a fish out of water in the ring. Don't get me wrong, I am sure he was (and still is) fierce some on the cobbles but he was nothing special as far as Queensbury rules go.

Malpass was well past his best when they fought but he was an experienced pro, could box a bit and had a good right hand. He outpointed Fury pretty clearly. Fogarty was an 18-year-old débutant and nearly stopped him.

Was that the same Adam Fogarty who Naseem Hamed bashed about in sparring?

palooka wrote:
Was that the same Adam Fogarty who Naseem Hamed bashed about in sparring?

I don't know the story but seeing that Fogerty would have been a 6'4" 18 stone man and Naz would have been a 5 foot and 5 stone 13 year old then the chances are it wasn't an open spar.

Counter-puncher wrote:Indeed. Physically dangerous, violent men and acting according to rules, the two don't really go together.

Cue henry and a lecture on the unique code.of travellers and its inherent honour and dignity.

Even in this age of the Internet I have rarely read such utter complete bollocks as the shite posted by this Henry comedian.

mercman wrote:

bripez wrote:

palooka wrote:
Was that the same Adam Fogarty who Naseem Hamed bashed about in sparring?

I don't know the story but seeing that Fogerty would have been a 6'4" 18 stone man and Naz would have been a 5 foot and 5 stone 13 year old then the chances are it wasn't an open spar.

Never heard anything about Fogarty sparring with Hamed but it would seem odd given the age and size difference between the two of them.

I'm pretty sure that I read that Hamed was sparring with Fogarty, Adam landed a hard shot on Hamed and Naseem retaliated. Hamed bore a bit of a grudge saying it was Fogarty's claim to fame that he'd wobbled a featherweight. I'll try and Google it.

A gypsy code of conduct?

An organised bareknuckle fight is illegal no matter what the two families say. Everyone in Britain lives by the same system.

palooka wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Indeed. Physically dangerous, violent men and acting according to rules, the two don't really go together.

Cue henry and a lecture on the unique code.of travellers and its inherent honour and dignity.

I'm sitting here hoping he mentions the gypsy grapevine which works faster than the internet.

I feel rotten mentioning it because on balance Rufus is pretty sound but it does make me smile and shake my head.

Shot, son.

And yeah, that, too.

HomicideHenry wrote: I mean, outside of the incident where he blinded a man permanently, how often has he been arrested or incarcerated? I don't think he is a bad man.

This post transcends parody.

MarkMcBurney wrote:

forcefraser wrote: Ali called Joe Frazier a gorilla and is heralded as the greatest athlete to have ever lived, Fury calls out bufties and gets hung out to dry......

He also called him an 'Uncle Tom' which is today's equivalent of far, FAR worse than anything Tyson has said.

I think you both miss the fact the gorilla remark has no racial connotation and the Uncle Tom business is an argument between two black men over who is blacker. Tyson Fury making unseemly remarks about homosexuals is entirely different.

I have no problem with Tyson Fury having the opinion he does, but it's quite a leap in logic to compare it the words of Ali and Frazier.

They were proper world champions

palooka wrote:

mercman wrote:

bripez wrote:
I don't know the story but seeing that Fogerty would have been a 6'4" 18 stone man and Naz would have been a 5 foot and 5 stone 13 year old then the chances are it wasn't an open spar.

Never heard anything about Fogarty sparring with Hamed but it would seem odd given the age and size difference between the two of them.

I'm pretty sure that I read that Hamed was sparring with Fogarty, Adam landed a hard shot on Hamed and Naseem retaliated. Hamed bore a bit of a grudge saying it was Fogarty's claim to fame that he'd wobbled a featherweight. I'll try and Google it.

palooka is right. The hard shot produced a flash knockdown, the little guy sprang up and had to be pulled away from him

mercman wrote: Henry - I was at that Fury v Malpass fight and also Fury v Adam Fogarty, and I can tell you that John Fury didn't have decent skills. He was big and burly but pretty crude, and looked a fish out of water in the ring. Don't get me wrong, I am sure he was (and still is) fierce some on the cobbles but he was nothing special as far as Queensbury rules go.

Malpass was well past his best when they fought but he was an experienced pro, could box a bit and had a good right hand. He outpointed Fury pretty clearly. Fogarty was an 18-year-old débutant and nearly stopped him.

Since you were the only person who A) wasn't racially charged, B)all around rude, C) biased in any way, shape or form, I will reply to you. I seem to recall you saying in the past of this, as well as a sparring session Fury had with a middleweight that didn't go Fury's way. I have no real reason to doubt you. I guess when I say "decent skills" I am referring to the depth of boxing in Great Britain, Ireland and mainland Europe.

Here in America, due to over regulations and statutes on the sport, there is a rather large disconnect between amateurs and professionals. Often times the amateurs are superior to the pros, or the amateurs are complete crap and eventually become good pros. In your side of the world, there is an excellent seeding system in the amateurs, as well as the unlicensed and semi pro system. To become a professional fighter in England is actually quite the achievement because there is far and away more competition and quite frankly most never turn pro or make it to the seniors or nationals let alone international.

Fury, at best, managed to defeat a man who was the champion of Italy. The fact that Fury, in essence, was just a broad shouldered strongman with an attitude problem and managed to achieve that despite the wide range of levels in British boxing.... I can't toss him to the side and put him in the same category as Lenny McLean, Roy Shaw and others who were just streetfighters in boxing gloves.

Realistically, I'd say he's somewhere between Paul Sykes and Cliff Fields. Good men, who were a cut below the legitimate. Sykes came up short against Gardner, Fields came up short against Dunne. Fury came up short to Akinwande. And yes, while he lost to others, we ain't exactly talking about a dedicated fighter who was always in the gym either. But never the less he achieved the same level of boxing that they did.

That's why I will argue that for the next twenty, thirty, etc years we are going to see an awful lot of champions and contenders from Britain and Europe because it is more challenging, and there is more opportunities there for a fighter to grow than in America.

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ps. Just watched Hughie Fury v Larry O on TV. Disgraceful performance by Olibamwu, in my opinion. He simply didn't try at all.[/quote]

i watched a few interviews with fury family, and they say tyson was always was going to world champ.end of ,but hughie is a bonus same with the brother shane, they wherent saying he is rubbish , just didnt have the pressure

brilo33 wrote:[
Disgraceful performance by Olibamwu, in my opinion. He simply didn't try at all.

I remember someone posting the truth as far back as 2009 on here and not only receiving a private message asking for post to be removed but a phone call too saying Larry was a bit of a lad and they better watch themselves.

Sykes ,, Now thats a guy only a mother could love ,,,, and i don't think even she did

i want to be honourable.............should i start knocking the missus about?????????????