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Posted: **21 Jan 2016, 20:46**

legacyrecognised obviously does not have the full body of details on the Bowe/Lewis contractual information.

Posted: **22 Jan 2016, 05:41**

The fear thing only started to kick in after that bumper year of 2000 with the brutal ko of the heavily hyped grant, the botha who had stood up to the myth of a tyson, and defeating tua ....added of course to the holyfield win in 99......a more confident lennox emerged who styled himself as the emperor of boxing.

From 88-99 he wasnt feared at all.

Posted: **22 Jan 2016, 08:21**

He would probably have been better off boxing out of his beloved Canada. At least then he would be closer to world boxing, and with an entirely different team. The UK move was a cynical business decision that didn't pay off because the public never warmed to him and barely learned his name. Big time boxing was a job far too big for small time Frank 'Kellie' Maloney and John Davenport, and later the cheerleader Pepe Correra. Lewis' ego guided him down a road to nowhere for most of the 1990s. There was little value in fighting him. A couple of times he came close to mega fights in the 1990s and both times he botched it.

Posted: **22 Jan 2016, 08:43**

Yeah he could have earnt more than the hundred million plus he did being a British boxer, what a fool big lenny is

Posted: **22 Jan 2016, 09:35**

Rexob wrote:Yeah he could have earnt more than the hundred million plus he did being a British boxer, what a fool big lenny is

Congratulations for entirely missing the point.

Posted: **22 Jan 2016, 10:28**

Tuan_Jim wrote:
Rexob wrote:Yeah he could have earnt more than the hundred million plus he did being a British boxer, what a fool big lenny is
Congratulations you are absolutly correct .

Posted: **22 Jan 2016, 10:39**

Rexob wrote:
Tuan_Jim wrote:
Rexob wrote:Yeah he could have earnt more than the hundred million plus he did being a British boxer, what a fool big lenny is
Congratulations you are absolutly correct .

Your response explains a great deal. And you can't even spell absolutely.

Posted: **22 Jan 2016, 13:05**

Thank you for the spelling lesson that will teach me

Posted: **25 Jan 2016, 20:46**

cfang wrote:There's been some serious crap talked about Lewis on this thread. He fought in a really tough era and beat everybody apart from Bowe. He beat Ruddock, Bruno, morrison, Mercer, McCall, Golota, Briggs, Holyfield, Rahman, Tyson and Klitschko. He lost 2 fights and avenged them both. He was in the top 3 heavys in the world for 11 years and finished 44-41-1-2 with 32 KOs. He's an all time top 10 for sure. At his best, he was a match for anyone.

Again right place right time kind of guy who often seemed to meet guys just at the right time

Ill qualify that with in a lot of cases it wasnt lewis"s fault that (ruddock,mccall2 ,golota) developed head issues that prevented them fighting up to even 25percent of their ability). He beat a tough mercer,morrison,tua,klitchko and a past it but still useful evander.....overall lewis is atg but not top ten more 11-15

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 06:36**

campfire wrote:
legacyrecognised wrote:It annoys me when people rate Mike Tyson "prime" more than Lennox even though Lennox was an amateur in Tyson's "prime" from 85-90. Also Tyson paid Lennox $4 million to avoid fighting him. Doesnt this show Tyson was afraid of Lewis just how Riddick Bowe was when he dumped the belt in the bin?

Why are boxers like Tyson and Holyfield constantly ranked better than Lennox Lewis when he was the best Heavyweight of his generation?

Because he would come out with all gun's blazing against least dangerous opponent's and look like a monster then as soon as he gets in with someone that will blast back he would revert to his safety first style when you look at the two fighter's you just mentioned Lewis towered over them Lewis had all the physical advantage's Against Holyfield but he still refused to stand with the smaller man and exchange Bowe let it all hang out in his three very entertaining fight's with Holyfield and so did Tyson even his teeth got in on the act Lewis was robbed of victory in the 1st fight with Holyfield in the rematch there is no way in hell
that he [Lewis] won that fight Lewis fought a scarred fight all night long as for Tyson that was a non event Lewis wouldn't risk farting just
in case Tyson tagged him while he was sniffing the air Lewis fought Tyson 6 LONG year's after the 1st Holyfield v Tyson fight that's
6 year's why............Again he fought cautious early then when Tyson couldn't hold his hand's up from fatigue Lewis fought like he could of in 2 fight's with Holyfield let alone the Tyson fight Tyson was so washed up a blind man could see it of cause if your a Lewis fan you'll ignore that won't you......................ps...If you think about this would a prime Lewis Beat a Prime Tyson he would be some sort of chance with like I said before his physical advantage's but my bet is Lewis would be so fearful of Tysons Power that he would be KO'D early because of the negative way he would fight against Tyson waiting for him to tire, Tyson when younger with his head movement and his unpredictable bobbing and weaving that Cus taught him would drive Lewis mad and when we look at the version of Holyfield that met Lewis he was past his best also Remember Oliver and Hasim I don't think either of them would KO Holyfield or Tyson in their life even washed up version's.

It's a bit unfair to ask why Lewis fought Tyson six years after Holyfield.

Lewis was scheduled to fight Tyson before Holyfield, but Tyson paid him to step aside in order to fight Holyfield.

As we all know, Tyson got his arse handed to him & then bitched out of the 2nd fight with the single greatest act of cowardice ever seen in a boxing ring, subsequently got banned, only to return a year later & subquently get locked up again.

He then returned again & started to knock over a few bums, before getting himself ready for a title shot.

Lewis could not have fought Tyson realistically much before he did.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 08:34**

Interestingly, Lewis initially turned down a $10,000,000 offer to fight Tyson post Bruno II.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 08:44**

I had a chat with a guy from new York yesterday and we talked boxing and he brought up Lennox saying he was the best heavy weight since Ali ,I said his 2 ko loses to average fighters down grades him for me and didn't even know Lennox had been beaten saying he beat everyone he fought.all I'm saying is a bit of a myth has grown around Lewis of this unbeatable monster when in fact he had an average chin at world level and could be lazy

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 11:24**

Probably because towards the end HBO/Buffer in order to press the hustle further invented this bizarre, tenuous pre fight announcement that Lewis 'Avenged his rematches thus making him one of the only men in history to defeat every man he has ever faced' - which they never bothered to use for Riddick Bowe who holds the same claim.

I always liked Lennox Lewis, enjoyed his career and feel the division has been dead since his retirement and yet even for me the legend and mythology surrounding the man is over the top.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 12:28**

Bowe was a good fighter but he didn't fight the consistent level of competition that Lewis did. Title defences against Dokes and Ferguson a classic example. Bowe is defined by his great fights with Holyfield and looking good against second rate opponents. Personally I think Lewis would have beaten him.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 12:32**

Controversial wrote:Bowe was a good fighter but he didn't fight the consistent level of competition that Lewis did. Title defences against Dokes and Ferguson a classic example. Bowe is defined by his great fights with Holyfield and looking good against second rate opponents. Personally I think Lewis would have beaten him.

Bowe should have been the best HW of the 90s, but his fridge was too large & he didn't know how to keep it's door shut!

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 12:36**

Syntax Error wrote:
Controversial wrote:Bowe was a good fighter but he didn't fight the consistent level of competition that Lewis did. Title defences against Dokes and Ferguson a classic example. Bowe is defined by his great fights with Holyfield and looking good against second rate opponents. Personally I think Lewis would have beaten him.
Bowe should have been the best HW of the 90s, but his fridge was too large & he didn't know how to keep it's door shut!

Yeah he had all the physical tools and ability, definitely an underachiever.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 12:40**

Controversial wrote:Bowe was a good fighter but he didn't fight the consistent level of competition that Lewis did. Title defences against Dokes and Ferguson a classic example. Bowe is defined by his great fights with Holyfield and looking good against second rate opponents. Personally I think Lewis would have beaten him.

There's plenty of Dokes and Fergusons on Lewis's record. Phil Jackson anyone? Justin Fortune?

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 15:06**

Judah Ben Fur wrote:Cant argue with that Henry

same here.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 15:08**

Bowe should have been the best HW of the 90s, but his fridge was too large & he didn't know how to keep it's door shut!

True.....there came a point where the Big Daddy nickname got way too literal and he was getting dangerously close to the vast, wobbling, town hall British wrestler with the exact same ring name.

Riddick in shape was a real specimen; fast, powerful and seriously imposing.

But sadly there were times when he was fighting his opponent as well as the bulk he was carrying.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 15:09**

Tuan_Jim wrote:
Controversial wrote:Bowe was a good fighter but he didn't fight the consistent level of competition that Lewis did. Title defences against Dokes and Ferguson a classic example. Bowe is defined by his great fights with Holyfield and looking good against second rate opponents. Personally I think Lewis would have beaten him.
There's plenty of Dokes and Fergusons on Lewis's record. Phil Jackson anyone? Justin Fortune?

Fortune wasn't a title fight. Jackson was one of Lewis's weaker title opponents but what world champ doesn't have the odd easy one thrown in? The difference is if you take Holyfield out of Bowe's record you cannot compare it to Lewis's. Dokes and Ferguson were his only successful defences, thats poor in comparison. Ferguson was a decent journeyman at best but by the time he fought Bowe he was 36 years old and 6-9 in his previous 15 fights.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 17:17**

To me, it doesn't really matter much if a fight is for a WBS title or not. The 3rd Holyfield fight wasn't even for a title.

Bowe actually was scheduled to defend the title against Ray Mercer, but Mercer was upset by Ferguson.

Overall, I think Lewis competition was better, but it's a lot closer than some people think.

Bowe beat Tony Tubbs early in his career. Tubbs was better than most of Lewis' victims. Larry Donald was better than many of them.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 19:35**

Tuan_Jim wrote:Probably because towards the end HBO/Buffer in order to press the hustle further invented this bizarre, tenuous pre fight announcement that Lewis 'Avenged his rematches thus making him one of the only men in history to defeat every man he has ever faced' - which they never bothered to use for Riddick Bowe who holds the same claim.

I always liked Lennox Lewis, enjoyed his career and feel the division has been dead since his retirement and yet even for me the legend and mythology surrounding the man is over the top.

The division was dead the last 4 years of Lewis's reign. There was the myth of tyson that kept things interesting but lewis exposed tua and wouldnt fight a klitchko earlier or Byrd. I feel the end of the holyfield fights signified the start of the decline.....toney should have had a shot at the klitchkos circa 2004-2006 when he was still useful at hw

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 19:49**

Bowe doesn't have the same claim, he has a NC against Buster Mathis Jr a fight he could have been DQ'd in.

Posted: **26 Jan 2016, 20:16**

SNG wrote:Bowe doesn't have the same claim, he has a NC against Buster Mathis Jr a fight he could have been DQ'd in.

He was also getting his arse handed to him by Golota in both fights before Golota threw them away.

Posted: **27 Jan 2016, 00:14**

Judah Ben Fur wrote:
Tuan_Jim wrote:Probably because towards the end HBO/Buffer in order to press the hustle further invented this bizarre, tenuous pre fight announcement that Lewis 'Avenged his rematches thus making him one of the only men in history to defeat every man he has ever faced' - which they never bothered to use for Riddick Bowe who holds the same claim.

I always liked Lennox Lewis, enjoyed his career and feel the division has been dead since his retirement and yet even for me the legend and mythology surrounding the man is over the top.
The division was dead the last 4 years of Lewis's reign. There was the myth of tyson that kept things interesting but lewis exposed tua and wouldnt fight a klitchko earlier or Byrd. I feel the end of the holyfield fights signified the start of the decline.....toney should have had a shot at the klitchkos circa 2004-2006 when he was still useful at hw

Wouldn't fight the Klitschkos or Byrd? Can't agree with that.
The heavyweight division has been on a decline since Lewis retired.

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