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ikorolev wrote:Golovkin started his professional career at 24 and exactly a year later he stopped Khomitsky who is better than anybody Tyson fought in first couple years of his career.

We're focusing on Tyson when JLC Sr has about 60 bums on his resume before he fought anyone really decent.

Racism is lucrative for some people.

Where are Floyd's commercials?? Manny had them. Where are Hopkins commercials?

Brut. Are you really that naive to think they would put a convicted felon like Hopkins on a Wheaties Box. Or Mayweather. Commercials? Where are their commercials.

koolkc107 wrote:Racism in boxing?

Yep.

You are right, Floyd.

There is an awful lot of work to do before we get to a place
where race is totally irrelevant.

But if you are going to talk about it, tell the whole truth.

Truth is Jack Johnson was heavyweight champ of the world almost 40 years before
Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in baseball.

Boxing is the one sport that has been proving over and over again for over a century
that we are all the same, that we all are flesh and blood and bone.

You can talk about how superior your race is all you like, but when you climb
between those ropes, you are a man (or woman) and that is all you are.

And no preconceived idiocy about how much better you think you are is going to
stop the other guy from putting you on your ass if you haven't put the work in,
if you haven't taken the time to respect your opponent as someone as capable as you are.

Boxing may still have racism, but it has always led the way towards equality in sports...

I agree.

Killer Kovalev wrote:even though whites dominate boxing

The biggest namesto casuals are usually Black, Blacks get promoted more. Bums like Broner are more well know than the Likes of Kovalev

UK has 12 current world champions 10 are white . 2 are mixed raced ( half white)
Yet the Biggest name in the UK at the moment seems to be the domestic british champion Anthony Joshua. (or the inactive pakistani)


Floyd Mayweather is probably one the most boring fighters of all time. If he was white he'd have never have been as a big a name. Why would so many people pay to watch such a boring fighter in PPV fights

One of the reasons that FMJ has been such a terrific PPV star is because he chose to cultivate the racial issue. There is no bigger African American weekend in Vegas history than those FMJ fights on. His attitude and act was consciously played to attract the white racists to see him lose. It is no accident that FMJ so seldom fought African Americans in the last 10 years.

Of course those points are not the only reason for his popularity, but they are significant.

Damn, no one else thinks Kovalev is #1?

Tanzio wrote:One of the reasons that FMJ has been such a terrific PPV star is because he chose to cultivate the racial issue. There is no bigger African American weekend in Vegas history than those FMJ fights on. His attitude and act was consciously played to attract the white racists to see him lose. It is no accident that FMJ so seldom fought African Americans in the last 10 years.

Of course those points are not the only reason for his popularity, but they are significant.

No it wasn't! Ali used the formula given to him by Gorgeous George, Floyd used it and it wasn't about race, it was about economics. Getting people no matter what color they are to come see you get knocked out because no one loves a loud mouthed trashtalker and especially one who is black.

Newsflash, many black people hate Floyd too, so how can you call that racism??

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:One of the reasons that FMJ has been such a terrific PPV star is because he chose to cultivate the racial issue. There is no bigger African American weekend in Vegas history than those FMJ fights on. His attitude and act was consciously played to attract the white racists to see him lose. It is no accident that FMJ so seldom fought African Americans in the last 10 years.

Of course those points are not the only reason for his popularity, but they are significant.

No it wasn't! Ali used the formula given to him by Gorgeous George, Floyd used it and it wasn't about race, it was about economics. Getting people no matter what color they are to come see you get knocked out because no one loves a loud mouthed trashtalker and especially one who is black.

Newsflash, many black people hate Floyd too, so how can you call that racism??

Have you ever been to Vegas on a FMJ fight weekend, turB? The vast, overwhelming majority of the African Americans in town for the fight are FMJ fans. If you do not understand the genius of FMJ's marketing plan, including the race baiting component, you are deaf, dumb, and blind.

Ali may or may not have used the Gorgeous George formula, but the effect on the white population was largely race based at that time. Throw in the draft resistance and conversion to Islam and you had the formula for severe racial hate.

Tanzio wrote:Have you ever been to Vegas on a FMJ fight weekend, turB? The vast, overwhelming majority of the African Americans in town for the fight are FMJ fans. If you do not understand the genius of FMJ's marketing plan, including the race baiting component, you are deaf, dumb, and blind.

Ali may or may not have used the Gorgeous George formula, but the effect on the white population was largely race based at that time. Throw in the draft resistance and conversion to Islam and you had the formula for severe racial hate.

What do you have to say about all of the black people who hate Floyd? You're acting as if every black person is supporting him just because of his race when in reality that just isn't nowhere near the case and if you think so then you are the one who is deaf, dumb and blind.

And as far as your comment in bold, then let's just say that nothing has changed here in America regarding race, it's just hidden or cloaked in bureaucracy.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Have you ever been to Vegas on a FMJ fight weekend, turB? The vast, overwhelming majority of the African Americans in town for the fight are FMJ fans. If you do not understand the genius of FMJ's marketing plan, including the race baiting component, you are deaf, dumb, and blind.

Ali may or may not have used the Gorgeous George formula, but the effect on the white population was largely race based at that time. Throw in the draft resistance and conversion to Islam and you had the formula for severe racial hate.

What do you have to say about all of the black people who hate Floyd? You're acting as if every black person is supporting him just because of his race when in reality that just isn't nowhere near the case and if you think so then you are the one who is deaf, dumb and blind.

And as far as your comment in bold, then let's just say that nothing has changed here in America regarding race, it's just hidden or cloaked in bureaucracy.

I never made a blanket statement about any race. FMJ has plenty of fans / admirers all over the world, of every race.

Ignoring Team FMJ's conscious effort to play specifically to the resentments of large portions of the white and African Americans for each other is obliviousness by choice. It was a brilliant marketing move. SOGgy would be well advised to study FMJ's transition from being just a brilliant boxer to become a worldwide brand.

koolkc107 wrote:

Anzi wrote:Yes, racism is in boxing, but mayweather is hardly qualified to bring it up, he is a racist himself, his comments about Pacman and the fact that he has made more money then anyone else, considering he is not a big ticket seller or the most entertaining.

Yes, the comments Floyd made about Pac were racist.

That, however, doesn't disqualify him from talking about racism.

And just how did he make all that money without selling lots of tickets or
without being perceived as entertaining is some way?

Because he is an hypocrite and your stupid immature picture will not change that, I am not a hater at all, just stating the obvious.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Mike Tyson walked through easier opposition on his rise to P4P throne but never faced the criticism that GGG has. Who knows why some get knocked for things that others get praised for in the sport?

Before turning age 21, Mike Tyson had already defeated Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, and Pinklon Thomas. Tyson did NOT face easier opposition than GGG, unless you're comparing Tyson's opponents at age 18 to Golovkin's opposition at age 33. At equal ages, Tyson always had a superior professional resume. At age 33, Golovkin's best opponents are Daniel Geale, Martin Murray, and David Lemieux. By the same age, Mike Tyson had fought Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, Pinkon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs, Michael Spinks, Frank Bruno, Larry Holmes, Buster Douglas, Razor Ruddock, Buster Mathis, and Evander Holyfield. Like I mean... are you trying to tell us that David Geale and Martin Murray are better than Evander Holyfield and Larry Holmes? Tyson beat 4 opponents with a boxrec rating of 100+ when he was 19. Golovkin didn't beat 4 opponents with boxrec rating of 100+ until he was 28.

Mike Tyson fought a string of bums just as Julio Cesar Chavez fought a string of bums before either of them faced anyone legit.

You appear to be describing Floyd Mayweather Jr., who never fought an opponent with a boxrec rating greater than 73 in his first 17 months as a pro. Mike Tyson fought an opponent with a boxrec rating of 140 within his first 9 months as a pro. By Tyson's first 17 months, he fought 8 opponents with a higher rating than Mayweather's very best opponent in his first 17 months. Marvis Frazier was Tyson's best opponent in the first 17 months, with a boxrec rating of 423. While we're on the subject, Golovkin's best opponent in his first 17 months had a rating of only 43.

Opponents' ratings in first 17 months as a pro
Golovkin: 0, 0, 2, 0, 25, 14, 43, 29, 28
Mayweather: 0, 1, 1, 0, 9, 5, 1, 27, 1, 69, 70, 65, 73, 23
Tyson: 0, 0, 7, 2, 0, 4, 14, 18, 39, 8, 0, 68, 140, 14, 3, 83, 60, 149, 84, 140, 194, 138, 12, 8, 423
Wilder: 0, 0, 0, 2, 5, 1, 0, 0, 3
I bolded all of the largest numbers. They are all in Tyson's row, though.

This is all while bearing in mind that Tyson debuted at the youngest age, Mayweather at the middle age, and Golovkin at the oldest age. I would say that Golovkin is the one who fought the string of bums, very much so, but Mayweather also fought a string of bums, relatively speaking. Tyson had among the hardest journeys of any modern fighter in the first 17 months of a pro career, and doing so while quite young. You should abandon the ignorant myths of Tyson's career that you cling to.

Lackeos wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Lackeos wrote: Before turning age 21, Mike Tyson had already defeated Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, and Pinklon Thomas. Tyson did NOT face easier opposition than GGG, unless you're comparing Tyson's opponents at age 18 to Golovkin's opposition at age 33. At equal ages, Tyson always had a superior professional resume. At age 33, Golovkin's best opponents are Daniel Geale, Martin Murray, and David Lemieux. By the same age, Mike Tyson had fought Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, Pinkon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs, Michael Spinks, Frank Bruno, Larry Holmes, Buster Douglas, Razor Ruddock, Buster Mathis, and Evander Holyfield. Like I mean... are you trying to tell us that David Geale and Martin Murray are better than Evander Holyfield and Larry Holmes? Tyson beat 4 opponents with a boxrec rating of 100+ when he was 19. Golovkin didn't beat 4 opponents with boxrec rating of 100+ until he was 28.

Mike Tyson fought a string of bums just as Julio Cesar Chavez fought a string of bums before either of them faced anyone legit.

You appear to be describing Floyd Mayweather Jr., who never fought an opponent with a boxrec rating greater than 73 in his first 17 months as a pro. Mike Tyson fought an opponent with a boxrec rating of 140 within his first 9 months as a pro. By Tyson's first 17 months, he fought 8 opponents with a higher rating than Mayweather's very best opponent in his first 17 months. Marvis Frazier was Tyson's best opponent in the first 17 months, with a boxrec rating of 423. While we're on the subject, Golovkin's best opponent in his first 17 months had a rating of only 43.

Opponents' ratings in first 17 months as a pro
Golovkin: 0, 0, 2, 0, 25, 14, 43, 29, 28
Mayweather: 0, 1, 1, 0, 9, 5, 1, 27, 1, 69, 70, 65, 73, 23
Tyson: 0, 0, 7, 2, 0, 4, 14, 18, 39, 8, 0, 68, 140, 14, 3, 83, 60, 149, 84, 140, 194, 138, 12, 8, 423
Wilder: 0, 0, 0, 2, 5, 1, 0, 0, 3
I bolded all of the largest numbers. They are all in Tyson's row, though.

This is all while bearing in mind that Tyson debuted at the youngest age, Mayweather at the middle age, and Golovkin at the oldest age. I would say that Golovkin is the one who fought the string of bums, very much so, but Mayweather also fought a string of bums, relatively speaking. Tyson had among the hardest journeys of any modern fighter in the first 17 months of a pro career, and doing so while quite young. You should abandon the ignorant myths of Tyson's career that you cling to.

Where's Julio Cesar Sr's numbers?? I bet none of his first 50 crack the ratings more than likely.

isnt everybody a litle bit rascist?

isnt floyd rascist when he jokes about phillipines and pacquiao, like they were some sort of second degree citizens?

verballistic wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:isnt everybody a litle bit rascist?

isnt floyd rascist when he jokes about phillipines and pacquiao, like they were some sort of second degree citizens?

Absolutely. Everyone has some prejudice. It's a HUMAN trait, not monopolized by any one ethnic group. I've met white racists, black racists, Latino racists. Many people gravitate towards those who look/think/act like them.

For most of my life I have gravitated towards people who are DIFFERENT than me. To hang out with people just like me would be boring and shallow!!

its on a scale. like from 1-10. 1 absolut no rasisct and 10 being total rasist. most people in general are between 3-6. like you said prejudice etc, but no violant or near total rascist. floyd is easily around 6. he is arrogant, he thinks blacks are better in sport, even if they are, it what he thinks. cause as soon as some white or asian dude does something good in sport like jeremy linn or ronda rousey, than he has a problem with it and starts saying some crap, like laila ali didnt get as much credit than ronda etc.. did he forget that americas favourite sports personalitys were mostly black? jordan, tiger woods, lebron, kobe, deion sanders...etc...