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Great idea, Horse.

Week 2 suggestions so far:

davie - Henry Cooper vs TBA
FrozenMixedVegtables - Roberto Duran vs Ken Buchanan
jamesmcdonnell - Chris Eubank vs Michael Watson I
Counter-puncher - Howard Winstone vs Vicente Saldivar or Mitsunori Seki
forestbox - Henry Cooper v Joe Bugner


Of those I think I'd go for Eubank vs Watson I, but is it too close in time to the Calzaghe vs Reid fight? Does that matter?

Is it better to jump about in time? Or better to have theme months/fortnights etc where we stick to a certain time period/fighter? Or are both about the same?

Obviously a lot of other suggestions have been made, and we can also choose any of those for the next fight or from any new recommendations as well, but these are the suggestions since week 1's fight was decided.

davie wrote:I've edited my first post in this thread to collect all the suggestions so far.

Josh1111 wrote:Good work. Any ideas when the next fight will be decided?

In the next couple of days or so.

Horse wrote:Week 2 suggestions so far:

davie - Henry Cooper vs TBA
FrozenMixedVegtables - Roberto Duran vs Ken Buchanan
jamesmcdonnell - Chris Eubank vs Michael Watson I
Counter-puncher - Howard Winstone vs Vicente Saldivar or Mitsunori Seki
forestbox - Henry Cooper v Joe Bugner


Of those I think I'd go for Eubank vs Watson I, but is it too close in time to the Calzaghe vs Reid fight? Does that matter?

Is it better to jump about in time? Or better to have theme months/fortnights etc where we stick to a certain time period/fighter? Or are both about the same?

Obviously a lot of other suggestions have been made, and we can also choose any of those for the next fight or from any new recommendations as well, but these are the suggestions since week 1's fight was decided.

Of those 5 suggested bouts I've only seen Eubank v Watson 1.

Horse wrote:Week 2 suggestions so far:

davie - Henry Cooper vs TBA
FrozenMixedVegtables - Roberto Duran vs Ken Buchanan
jamesmcdonnell - Chris Eubank vs Michael Watson I
Counter-puncher - Howard Winstone vs Vicente Saldivar or Mitsunori Seki
forestbox - Henry Cooper v Joe Bugner


Of those I think I'd go for Eubank vs Watson I, but is it too close in time to the Calzaghe vs Reid fight? Does that matter?

Is it better to jump about in time? Or better to have theme months/fortnights etc where we stick to a certain time period/fighter? Or are both about the same?

Obviously a lot of other suggestions have been made, and we can also choose any of those for the next fight or from any new recommendations as well, but these are the suggestions since week 1's fight was decided.

I reckon a theme might work personally, ie an era for a month or a weight division for a month etc

palooka wrote:Of those 5 suggested bouts I've only seen Eubank v Watson 1.

So, you'd prefer to watch something else instead?

Horse wrote:

palooka wrote:Of those 5 suggested bouts I've only seen Eubank v Watson 1.

So, you'd prefer to watch something else instead?

I think Eubank v Watson I is a great idea, I vote for James McDonnell's suggestion.

What about Chris Eubank Jr ffs!

I'd happily watch a Richie Woodall fight next week.
He's the fighter of the era who's often forgotten.

Horse wrote:

palooka wrote:Of those 5 suggested bouts I've only seen Eubank v Watson 1.

So, you'd prefer to watch something else instead?

No, Horse - I've only watched it on the night, that was 25 years ago. I'm happy to go along with any bout, I like this idea, well played

Horse wrote:Week 2 suggestions so far:

davie - Henry Cooper vs TBA
FrozenMixedVegtables - Roberto Duran vs Ken Buchanan
jamesmcdonnell - Chris Eubank vs Michael Watson I
Counter-puncher - Howard Winstone vs Vicente Saldivar or Mitsunori Seki
forestbox - Henry Cooper v Joe Bugner


Of those I think I'd go for Eubank vs Watson I, but is it too close in time to the Calzaghe vs Reid fight? Does that matter?

Is it better to jump about in time? Or better to have theme months/fortnights etc where we stick to a certain time period/fighter? Or are both about the same?

Obviously a lot of other suggestions have been made, and we can also choose any of those for the next fight or from any new recommendations as well, but these are the suggestions since week 1's fight was decided.

For me, any of those except the Duran vs Buchanan fight.
It was me that suggested that one at the start of the thread, but I only just watched it a couple weeks back.
Just read an article about the Bugner vs Cooper fight, seems there was a bit of a fall out over it, bit of back story to the fight.
Gives us something other than just the decision to discuss.

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:

You did chose the Duran- Buchanan fight first, mate.

On reflection I think I would prefer to have chosen Benny Lynch vs Peter Kane. The best flyweight fight ever according to many historians.

Ah, this is where it gets interesting. Looking at flyweights in the 20s, 30s and 40s we had a number of top drawer fighters, who rank very highly on Boxrecs rankings (and no doubt in the annals of boxing history in general). Jackie Patterson, Benny Lynch, Peter Kane, Jackie Brown, Jimmy Wilde, Rinty Monaghan, Terry Allen, Ginger Foran, Jimmy Warnock, Teddy Gardner, Tiny Bostock, Tut Whalley, Paddy Ryan the list goes on and on, with numerous top fighters who fought at flyweight, whose careers over lapped in that period and many fights ocured between them. It's something I've wanted to delve into for some time
What is not so numerous is the video footage, certainly of full fights from that era.

I wondered if we could have one or two weeks where we maybe focused on certain fighters, watched what footage we could, short fight clips, documentaries and whatever could be gathered in terms of newspaper reports to gain an insight into these fighters.

Take the Lynch vs Kane bouts, There's 2m41s of the 1937 KO win for Lynch https://youtu.be/y2iaIqLVTIA
and 1m09s of the 1938 draw https://youtu.be/ogV0CtmCjmM

There's not a lot to get our teeth into and discuss from 1 fight but if we take Benny Lynch, there's those 2 fights, a documentary
https://youtu.be/Amt7fs_DoBE?list=PLzB4 ... VPqcSfjwB2
https://youtu.be/EEVhBpBTNEk?list=PLzB4 ... VPqcSfjwB2
https://youtu.be/Mf6LPlWgQ6o?list=PLzB4 ... VPqcSfjwB2
and a few other clips and bits of fights
https://youtu.be/dwJs4V-TErg

We could do a review of a fighter like that?

Eubank v Thompson 1 be good watch

davie wrote:I wondered if we could have one or two weeks where we maybe focused on certain fighters, watched what footage we could, short fight clips, documentaries and whatever could be gathered in terms of newspaper reports to gain an insight into these fighters.

Take the Lynch vs Kane bouts, There's 2m41s of the 1937 KO win for Lynch https://youtu.be/y2iaIqLVTIA
and 1m09s of the 1938 draw https://youtu.be/ogV0CtmCjmM

There's not a lot to get our teeth into and discuss from 1 fight but if we take Benny Lynch, there's those 2 fights, a documentary
https://youtu.be/Amt7fs_DoBE?list=PLzB4 ... VPqcSfjwB2
https://youtu.be/EEVhBpBTNEk?list=PLzB4 ... VPqcSfjwB2
https://youtu.be/Mf6LPlWgQ6o?list=PLzB4 ... VPqcSfjwB2
and a few other clips and bits of fights
https://youtu.be/dwJs4V-TErg

We could do a review of a fighter like that?

I think that sort of thing is an idea for the future.

I think it is best to keep things simple to begin with.

Horse wrote:

davie wrote:I wondered if we could have one or two weeks where we maybe focused on certain fighters, watched what footage we could, short fight clips, documentaries and whatever could be gathered in terms of newspaper reports to gain an insight into these fighters.

Take the Lynch vs Kane bouts, There's 2m41s of the 1937 KO win for Lynch https://youtu.be/y2iaIqLVTIA
and 1m09s of the 1938 draw https://youtu.be/ogV0CtmCjmM

There's not a lot to get our teeth into and discuss from 1 fight but if we take Benny Lynch, there's those 2 fights, a documentary
https://youtu.be/Amt7fs_DoBE?list=PLzB4 ... VPqcSfjwB2
https://youtu.be/EEVhBpBTNEk?list=PLzB4 ... VPqcSfjwB2
https://youtu.be/Mf6LPlWgQ6o?list=PLzB4 ... VPqcSfjwB2
and a few other clips and bits of fights
https://youtu.be/dwJs4V-TErg

We could do a review of a fighter like that?

I think that sort of thing is an idea for the future.

I think it is best to keep things simple to begin with.

To be fair, it doesn't need to be part of this, we have enough full fights on Youtube that we can run this every week for a year and still not get through everything we'd like to see.

I might do that as a side project at some point, as I say, if we can't see a full fight and analyse the scoring etc, it doesn't quite fit in here.

Has week 2 been decided?
Top idea horse

95gerog wrote:Has week 2 been decided?
Top idea horse

Not yet.

It will be decided tomorrow or the day after.

forestbox wrote:Eubank v Thompson 1 be good watch

I agree was checking to see if this had been suggested, would also chuck in the second bout to. Great end to a top career, despite the losses. What tough bouts.

Horse wrote:

95gerog wrote:Has week 2 been decided?
Top idea horse

Not yet.

It will be decided tomorrow or the day after.

Look forward to it

a good British fight that would divide opinion would be the big fight in a small hall that was Hunter vs. Pickering a few years ago with 3 titles on the line.

magwitch wrote:a good British fight that would divide opinion would be the big fight in a small hall that was Hunter vs. Pickering a few years ago with 3 titles on the line.

thats a good suggestion

magwitch wrote:a good British fight that would divide opinion would be the big fight in a small hall that was Hunter vs. Pickering a few years ago with 3 titles on the line.

That would be a good fight, but I think it is a bit too recent, at least to begin with.

That fight was in 2005, so it was over 10 years ago now though.

duke mckenzie vs dave mcauley was a good fight ,might be worth another look

stevedoc wrote:duke mckenzie vs dave mcauley was a good fight ,might be worth another look

Was just looking through Steve Robinson fights and the Duke fight was one I'd considered suggesting

The only fights I remember Robinson in were the Naseem and Harrison fights but those were a bit one sided.
Not too familiar with his other fights to say what would or wouldn't be worth watching

The problem is that the early fights don't have much footage so if we just look at a single match up then we are ruling out a lot of 'historical ' fighters. I agree with earlier comments regarding maybe watching 3-4 clips of some earlier fights that only have minimal footage just to get a general overview of some of the greats.

A lot of fights suggested tend to be in my lifetime (post 80's) and if this is to be a historical education then surely we have to go back a bit further at some point.