Who’s the Pound-for-Pound Baddest Man on The Planet Today?

[Chepppaaa]

To illustrate my point, take a look at the UFC. This is the closest you can get to a street fight for comparison reasons. There are multiple disciplines, Karate, Boxing, Jujitsu, Wrestling, Judo etc. You ask anyone in the know with MMA and most would say that boxing is the least important. You definitely need to have some striking skills but wrestling is the most important skill in the game. It trumps everything. You can illustrate one instance above about a Rugby player, which has nothing to do with fighting, and i'll show you a thousand instances where a wrestler neutralizes everything else.

What do you think a street fight between McGregor and Floyd would look like? They are both the same weight. Do you think Floyd walks out of that one? They are scraping him of the street with a shovel. Damn, i'd love to see that btw. But Conor isn't known as a great wrestler but he's very good. Floyd would get killed.

Now imagine the same thing with a guy weighing 111lbs. It's laughable man. 10 year old girls are 111 pounds. It's not even a question.

dude, its complete the opposit way. boxing is the most important way to beat somebody, there is nothing quicker than a punch to hurt somebody and nothing more important than great footwork in a fight. when you got both, tremendous punching power and tremendous footwork than you are super effective in a street fight and boxers are the best at it. imagine a prime jones, who punched hard and quick, than on top his footwork. you wouldnt catch the guy and if you came close at him, no matter if you tried to wrestle him down or punch him, as soon as you would get close to him he will lazer you with a 6 punch in 1,5 secondes combination and would sleep for 10 minutes with your face on the ground.

chuck lidell beat guys mostly with his punching ability

vanderlei silva beat guys with his punching ability

fedor mostly beat guys with his punching ability

anderson silva beats guys will his footwork and his punching ability

conor mcgregor beats guys will his punch ability

all these guys beat their oppnents mostly because of boxing, just punching, knocking out their opponents, and all these guys have are known to be amongs the very best the mma world had ever seen. so yu see, boxing is the most impotant thing, not wrestling or any other stuff.

I'm certainly not backing up the keyboard warriors boasts, but most every street fight will end up wrestling. LMAO at people in alleys and bars sticking and moving up on their toes.

Chuck Liddell was a wrestler that used his wrestling to stay on his feet. It's also laughable to suggest most wrestlers can't punch. Quite an athletic sport.

Wandy is more known for his vicious knees.

Fedor is submissions and ground and pound.

Silva is much more dangerous with his feet and knees than he is with his hands.

Connor definitely takes a big interest in Boxing as well as his feet.

All those guys can punch, but your trademarks are incorrect. Using a Boxing stance is suicide in MMA. You're easier to takedown and your front leg is a sitting duck for kicks. So yeah, you're wrong again.

total nonsense.....you have it all wrong.

chuck was a trained kick boxer who had nothing to do with wrestling, he mosty won fight by punching

conor is all footwork and boxing

fedor could wrestle, with his sambo style, but most wins were made him punching the other guy

wanderllei had definitl more wins with his hands than with his knees and did litle wrestling

anderson silve was all footwork and punching, he even tried to box proffessional in boxing, cause he thought he was good at it, cause he was a star in mma and found out that boxing is way more difficult than mma, losing his first fight against a nobody

there is no typical boxing stance anymore.......look at floyd, rigo or many other, there stance is no typical boxing stancce, the the feet are far away from each other, the have the ultimate balance and this stance would also be effective in a street fight, moving quick in and out on top using upper body movemant not to get hit

[SaadOffTheDeck]

[victor-romeo]

Without a doubt Sergey Kovalev he is the Slavic version of Roberto Duran.

[ElJefe]

Might be the most uneducated post I have ever seen. I had over fifty amateur fights and a few too many in the street. You have clearly never been in the ring. If you had you would have a lot more respect. RG would not only beat your ass senseless, he would also take your girl anytime he wanted. Yes, he is small but I promise you Wouod not want to play with him. It's cool if you just had too much to drink but please don't disrespect a top pro pound for pound guy like that. If you knew anything at all about the game you wouldn't do that. I have been there when Mike Tyson was bragging about Humberto Gonzalez' punching power. Internet fake ---- tough guy. Sober up. Go to the gym and find out.

I had a friend who was a fairly decent amateur boxer, he was about 8 stone, some years after he'd stopped boxing, some lairy rugby type started giving him poo, the guy must have been about 16 stone.

My mate absolutely marmalised him, he hit the guy so many times he didn't know whether he was coming or going and he staggered off with blood pouring down his face.

To illustrate my point, take a look at the UFC. This is the closest you can get to a street fight for comparison reasons. There are multiple disciplines, Karate, Boxing, Jujitsu, Wrestling, Judo etc. You ask anyone in the know with MMA and most would say that boxing is the least important. You definitely need to have some striking skills but wrestling is the most important skill in the game. It trumps everything. You can illustrate one instance above about a Rugby player, which has nothing to do with fighting, and i'll show you a thousand instances where a wrestler neutralizes everything else.

What do you think a street fight between McGregor and Floyd would look like? They are both the same weight. Do you think Floyd walks out of that one? They are scraping him of the street with a shovel. Damn, i'd love to see that btw. But Conor isn't known as a great wrestler but he's very good. Floyd would get killed.

Now imagine the same thing with a guy weighing 111lbs. It's laughable man. 10 year old girls are 111 pounds. It's not even a question.

"You ask anyone in the know with MMA and most would say that boxing is the least important."

Ridiculous statement. Every MMA fight starts with boxing, or striking as they call it. You can win an MMA fight without wrestling, you can't win anything without a stand-up game.

[caldo2025]

The UFC upsets last night proved my point completely so I feel no need to continue this argument. But HBO and SHO did have a couple of good fights that you may have opted to watch instead so let me just quickly recap because the last two main event fights pitted a fighter with superior boxing/striking with a superior wrestler.

Holm vs. Tate: When the two were in stand up for 3/5 rounds, Holm did have the advantage on the scorecards slightly. But in the two rounds that Tate broke through to take Holm down to mat, that action will show you all that you need to know about a boxer vs. wrestler. Tate, though undersized and outmuscled, toyed with her on the mat doing what she wanted. She ran out of time in the earlier round but closed things off in the 5th round with a perfectly timed shot and subsequent takedown to rear naked choke city blues. I'm not saying this will happen every time but most of the time, the higher the wrestling IQ goes the advantage.

McGregor vs. Diaz: I'm not going to rip into my boy Conor here because he showed some huge nuggets agreeing to take this fight for the fans at short notice and he's still my favorite. Conor hit Diaz with everything but the kitchen sink in that first round. Diaz face was shredded meat but came on early in 2nd landing some big shots that dazed Conor but Conor was still engaged and throwing. It was a great fight until Conor did the unthinkable...he tried a double leg and take the fight to the mat. Na-Night. Diaz easily sprawled out, threw the half in and a few ground and pounds later, decided to easily end it with the rear naked choke. Took him like 10 seconds to finish him on the mat i'd say.

I agree that you must have some boxing ability to succeed and it's more important than say Judo, Jujitsu or maybe even Karate. But wrestling is a necessity and those with a wrestling base, will always have the advantage. Will they win every time? No. But fights last night couldn't have illustrated the point i was trying to make any better. BTW, in my previous post I stated that boxing was least important and that didn't come out how i wanted it to. I meant that it wasn't a prerequisite because it could be learned later. You have to be able to throw punches.

[Tanzio]

The UFC upsets last night proved my point completely so I feel no need to continue this argument. But HBO and SHO did have a couple of good fights that you may have opted to watch instead so let me just quickly recap because the last two main event fights pitted a fighter with superior boxing/striking with a superior wrestler.

Holm vs. Tate: When the two were in stand up for 3/5 rounds, Holm did have the advantage on the scorecards slightly. But in the two rounds that Tate broke through to take Holm down to mat, that action will show you all that you need to know about a boxer vs. wrestler. Tate, though undersized and outmuscled, toyed with her on the mat doing what she wanted. She ran out of time in the earlier round but closed things off in the 5th round with a perfectly timed shot and subsequent takedown to rear naked choke city blues. I'm not saying this will happen every time but most of the time, the higher the wrestling IQ goes the advantage.

McGregor vs. Diaz: I'm not going to rip into my boy Conor here because he showed some huge nuggets agreeing to take this fight for the fans at short notice and he's still my favorite. Conor hit Diaz with everything but the kitchen sink in that first round. Diaz face was shredded meat but came on early in 2nd landing some big shots that dazed Conor but Conor was still engaged and throwing. It was a great fight until Conor did the unthinkable...he tried a double leg and take the fight to the mat. Na-Night. Diaz easily sprawled out, threw the half in and a few ground and pounds later, decided to easily end it with the rear naked choke. Took him like 10 seconds to finish him on the mat i'd say.

I agree that you must have some boxing ability to succeed and it's more important than say Judo, Jujitsu or maybe even Karate. But wrestling is a necessity and those with a wrestling base, will always have the advantage. Will they win every time? No. But fights last night couldn't have illustrated my point any better.

I agree.

However, the reason that McGregor went for the double leg is that he was getting destroyed on his feet from the moment that the first left landed.

The way McGregor folded was the exact same way that he loves to describe others folding when they feel his left hand. He didn't take this fight for the fans. He took this fight because he believed his own hype. He didn't lose the fight on the ground. He lost the fight because he decided that he could trade with little risk with Diaz. He fought stupid. He had control of the fight and he gave Diaz a chance that Nate was only too happy to take.

Diaz is the one who showed donkey ballz taking the fight on short notice. Diaz is the one who was repeatedly belittled prior to the fight. McGregor went to the ground to lose with less damage because he was convinced that Diaz was going to destroy him in the standup. The act of going for the double leg was McGregor submitting, consciously.

Holm proved to have far more sac than McGregor last night. He folded as neatly as a towel. I will believe that he comes back from this when it happens. It will likely be a very discerning path of cherrypicking if it happens at all.

[Nightmare Roy]

Conor McGregor

[King Carlos]

Still pretty badass to me. He'll be back.

[Tanzio]

Still pretty badass to me. He'll be back.

Absolutely. They are all "pretty badass to me." McGregor did show real class post fight.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Boxing fans obsession with the ufc is pathetic. Nate is a supreme bad ass. Connor is too. What he just did was akin to Porter agreeing to fight quillin at 168 after Keith got hurt.

[SNG]

Boxing fans obsession with the ufc is pathetic. Nate is a supreme bad ass. Connor is too. What he just did was akin to Porter agreeing to fight quillin at 168 after Keith got hurt.

Stupid move though.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Boxing fans obsession with the ufc is pathetic. Nate is a supreme bad ass. Connor is too. What he just did was akin to Porter agreeing to fight quillin at 168 after Keith got hurt.

Stupid move though.

No it wasn't. The Diaz fight had juice anyway. Best time to try him. DOS anjos was a bad match for him too. If he wins he fights Lawler. He loses he goes back to 145. Dude made 10 million bucks or so. Mma isn't like boxing, losses don't kill you. This was a much needed slow of his roll.

[crusader]

Boxing fans obsession with the ufc is pathetic. Nate is a supreme bad ass. Connor is too. What he just did was akin to Porter agreeing to fight quillin at 168 after Keith got hurt.

Is it that much of a size difference? I don't closely follow MMA, but Ive seen numerous people suggest that Diaz is a career 155 guy who makes the limit without major draining and was willing to fight there even on very short notice, while Connor had been planning to fight at 155 because cutting to 145 was becoming too difficult.

Porter made 144 last fight while PQ has recently needed catchweight stipulations to feel comfortable about making 160.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Boxing fans obsession with the ufc is pathetic. Nate is a supreme bad ass. Connor is too. What he just did was akin to Porter agreeing to fight quillin at 168 after Keith got hurt.

Is it that much of a size difference? I don't closely follow MMA, but Ive seen numerous people suggest that Diaz is a career 155 guy who makes the limit without major draining and was willing to fight there even on very short notice, while Connor had been planning to fight at 155 because cutting to 145 was becoming too difficult.

Porter made 144 last fight while PQ has recently needed catchweight stipulations to feel comfortable about making 160.

mma has fewer weight classes so the cuts are deeper. The main point is could you imagine any boxing champion moving up two classes to fight a legitimate bad ass instead of cancelling the fight? Nate is better than either quillin or Porter in their respective sports. I don't think it was the size, he still deserves respect. Connor's next fight will be 25 lbs lighter.

[ikorolev]

Is there a good site where MMA fighter records would be shown with weights they were fought at ? All I could find show records without weights or even weight classes.

[Boxing Prospect]

Boxing fans obsession with the ufc is pathetic. Nate is a supreme bad ass. Connor is too. What he just did was akin to Porter agreeing to fight quillin at 168 after Keith got hurt.

Is it that much of a size difference? I don't closely follow MMA, but Ive seen numerous people suggest that Diaz is a career 155 guy who makes the limit without major draining and was willing to fight there even on very short notice, while Connor had been planning to fight at 155 because cutting to 145 was becoming too difficult.

Porter made 144 last fight while PQ has recently needed catchweight stipulations to feel comfortable about making 160.

mma has fewer weight classes so the cuts are deeper. The main point is could you imagine any boxing champion moving up two classes to fight a legitimate bad ass instead of cancelling the fight? Nate is better than either quillin or Porter in their respective sports. I don't think it was the size, he still deserves respect. Connor's next fight will be 25 lbs lighter.

Inoue moved up 2 classes to fight the #1 guy at 115 and beat the snot out of him...that not count?

Kimika Miyoshi moved from 118 to beat Chika Mizutani at 130 this past Sunday...

A bigger question for me is "is this the first time Conor fought someone he doesn't dwarf?"

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Is it that much of a size difference? I don't closely follow MMA, but Ive seen numerous people suggest that Diaz is a career 155 guy who makes the limit without major draining and was willing to fight there even on very short notice, while Connor had been planning to fight at 155 because cutting to 145 was becoming too difficult.

Porter made 144 last fight while PQ has recently needed catchweight stipulations to feel comfortable about making 160.

mma has fewer weight classes so the cuts are deeper. The main point is could you imagine any boxing champion moving up two classes to fight a legitimate bad ass instead of cancelling the fight? Nate is better than either quillin or Porter in their respective sports. I don't think it was the size, he still deserves respect. Connor's next fight will be 25 lbs lighter.

Inoue moved up 2 classes to fight the #1 guy at 115 and beat the snot out of him...that not count?

Kimika Miyoshi moved from 118 to beat Chika Mizutani at 130 this past Sunday...

A bigger question for me is "is this the first time Conor fought someone he doesn't dwarf?"

Which one of those was on 10 days notice? Lol

[SaadOffTheDeck]

This would be like narvaez pulling out and Inoue deciding to fight donaire at 126 for no belt.

[Boxing Prospect]

I forgot McGregor didn't have a full training camp like Diaz did, I forgot that Diaz had a fight coming up and I also forgot that Diaz was a natural 170lb fight. Sorry what a bunch of things to forget.

[caldo2025]

I agree.

However, the reason that McGregor went for the double leg is that he was getting destroyed on his feet from the moment that the first left landed.

The way McGregor folded was the exact same way that he loves to describe others folding when they feel his left hand. He didn't take this fight for the fans. He took this fight because he believed his own hype. He didn't lose the fight on the ground. He lost the fight because he decided that he could trade with little risk with Diaz. He fought stupid. He had control of the fight and he gave Diaz a chance that Nate was only too happy to take.

Diaz is the one who showed donkey ballz taking the fight on short notice. Diaz is the one who was repeatedly belittled prior to the fight. McGregor went to the ground to lose with less damage because he was convinced that Diaz was going to destroy him in the standup. The act of going for the double leg was McGregor submitting, consciously.

Holm proved to have far more sac than McGregor last night. He folded as neatly as a towel. I will believe that he comes back from this when it happens. It will likely be a very discerning path of cherrypicking if it happens at all.

Diaz got the fight he's been calling for at a way higher weight limit then he could have dreamed so I'm going to give the gutsier vote to Conor. Taking on such a dangerous guy without sufficiently being able to dedicate a training camp to defeat that person is difficult if not just plain dumb. I think the biggest factor was the weight limit changing less than two weeks from fight night though. Boxers and MMA Nutritionists have weight cutting down to a science with these fighters and it's such a delicate balance. As a person that still has nightmares from my years of almost killing myself to make weight for wrestling, I can tell you that the weight limit increase to 170 from 155 with less than two weeks to go was THE story in this fight.

Imagine that you've been killing yourself in camp to get down to 155 from 190 plus and just before the hardest part of the weight cut, they tell you that the limit was just moved up to 170. Now you're already below the limit or close enough that your Nutritionist immediately grabs his shiit and leaves camp wishing you luck because he's no longer needed. I'll guarantee Conor immediately started pounding liquids (not being able to drink is the worst part) and stopped eating strategically and to be honest, I said to my buddy as soon as i saw him walking into the cage that he looked puffy/uncut and I had a bad feeling because i've seen that look before. That's a look of an athlete that didn't complete camp and get to the required weight properly. I've been there before and if i didn't win in the first round then i was done because my body was not ready for a long match. Conor was all done after the first round and admittedly was dead armed and there's only one reason for that.

You are right though. When Diaz landed that first punch on the chin, you can see it in Conor's eyes that 170 punches hurt a lot worse tan 145. Conor did essentially give up with that attempt to take to the mat, I agree. I felt the exact same way watching it live. But it was shocking how quickly and easily Diaz converted it to the choke. Conor's lack of ability on the mat will end up hurting him the rest of his career, i promise you. Just get him on the mat, that's the goal.

[ikorolev]

Is there a good site where MMA fighter records would be shown with weights they were fought at ? All I could find show records without weights or even weight classes.

[Tanzio]

I agree.

However, the reason that McGregor went for the double leg is that he was getting destroyed on his feet from the moment that the first left landed.

The way McGregor folded was the exact same way that he loves to describe others folding when they feel his left hand. He didn't take this fight for the fans. He took this fight because he believed his own hype. He didn't lose the fight on the ground. He lost the fight because he decided that he could trade with little risk with Diaz. He fought stupid. He had control of the fight and he gave Diaz a chance that Nate was only too happy to take.

Diaz is the one who showed donkey ballz taking the fight on short notice. Diaz is the one who was repeatedly belittled prior to the fight. McGregor went to the ground to lose with less damage because he was convinced that Diaz was going to destroy him in the standup. The act of going for the double leg was McGregor submitting, consciously.

Holm proved to have far more sac than McGregor last night. He folded as neatly as a towel. I will believe that he comes back from this when it happens. It will likely be a very discerning path of cherrypicking if it happens at all.

Diaz got the fight he's been calling for at a way higher weight limit then he could have dreamed so I'm going to give the gutsier vote to Conor. Taking on such a dangerous guy without sufficiently being able to dedicate a training camp to defeat that person is difficult if not just plain dumb. I think the biggest factor was the weight limit changing less than two weeks from fight night though. Boxers and MMA Nutritionists have weight cutting down to a science with these fighters and it's such a delicate balance. As a person that still has nightmares from my years of almost killing myself to make weight for wrestling, I can tell you that the weight limit increase to 170 from 155 with less than two weeks to go was THE story in this fight.

Imagine that you've been killing yourself in camp to get down to 155 from 190 plus and just before the hardest part of the weight cut, they tell you that the limit was just moved up to 170. Now you're already below the limit or close enough that your Nutritionist immediately grabs his shiit and leaves camp wishing you luck because he's no longer needed. I'll guarantee Conor immediately started pounding liquids (not being able to drink is the worst part) and stopped eating strategically and to be honest, I said to my buddy as soon as i saw him walking into the cage that he looked puffy/uncut and I had a bad feeling because i've seen that look before. That's a look of an athlete that didn't complete camp and get to the required weight properly. I've been there before and if i didn't win in the first round then i was done because my body was not ready for a long match. Conor was all done after the first round and admittedly was dead armed and there's only one reason for that.

You are right though. When Diaz landed that first punch on the chin, you can see it in Conor's eyes that 170 punches hurt a lot worse tan 145. Conor did essentially give up with that attempt to take to the mat, I agree. I felt the exact same way watching it live. But it was shocking how quickly and easily Diaz converted it to the choke. Conor's lack of ability on the mat will end up hurting him the rest of his career, i promise you. Just get him on the mat, that's the goal.

I agree that he looked too puffy coming into the ring, and that messing with weight midstream is a difficult proposition. I think that McGregor should have continued his camp as if the fight was to be at 155.

I was also surprised by how quickly Diaz was able to sink the choke, but in the replay it became apparent (to me) that McGregor gave up in order to limit damage. I believe that it was a good business decision on his part. He realized that he had nothing left and that Diaz did.

The whole affair, from the announcement to the choke out, was bizarre, imo. Diaz is a 155 fighter. He was ok with cutting to 155. It seems like this was a way for the UFC to control Conor without destroying his value. They played on his ego and he fell into the trap. Maybe I am just reading too much into this but now his next fight is even bigger, no matter who he fights and at what weight.

Can he still make 145 comfortably? His own team has suggested that he can't do it much longer. Can he compete with the best at 155? He just lost to a guy who wasn't rated in the top five of the division, albeit at 170 and under strange training conditions. Will those at 145 be emboldened to simply get it to the mat with him? Can he improve his ground game enough to compete on the mat?

I had lost interest in mma over the last few years. I am much more enthused with the UFC today than I was going into the Diaz v McGregor fight. I was essentially tagging along with my kid to watch. I was impressed with the entertainment value of the card as a whole Saturday night.

[Tanzio]

I forgot McGregor didn't have a full training camp like Diaz did, I forgot that Diaz had a fight coming up and I also forgot that Diaz was a natural 170lb fight. Sorry what a bunch of things to forget.

TF?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I forgot McGregor didn't have a full training camp like Diaz did, I forgot that Diaz had a fight coming up and I also forgot that Diaz was a natural 170lb fight. Sorry what a bunch of things to forget.

I accept your apology.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I forgot McGregor didn't have a full training camp like Diaz did, I forgot that Diaz had a fight coming up and I also forgot that Diaz was a natural 170lb fight. Sorry what a bunch of things to forget.

TF?

Lol, he's very confused. As for the fight at 170, it was smart business. If Connor beat Nate he fights for the belt at ufc 200, after he loses he slows his roll back to 145.