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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

man wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Ali, Holmes, neither of them looked chiselled, Holmes especially. Foreman, Liston - massive thickset dudes, but not chiselled, Bowe.....need I go on.

maybe you should look up pictures
of these gentlemen at age 27.

I've seen them all plenty of times. None of them were ripped like Wlad.

compared to fury they all were.

man wrote:i wonder if guys like fury are in very good
shape and just look like as if they aren't or
if it is actually just a reflection of how they
are really doing.

so my question is: how many miles can
wlad run on a daily basis and how many
can fury.

my guess
wlad: 5
fury: 2

and yes, i have f^cking no idea of their real
training regime.

(btw english speaking world: be ashamed that
i have to make this in miles and not in kilometers.
your ignorance of the metric system is a disgrace
to the civilised world.)

"A disgrace to the civilized world?" And you insinuated what Mayweather did to Ortiz was the crime of the century. You are a master of hyperbole. We Americans can be chauvinistic in the original sense of the word. But being nonmetric is "Disgraceful? "That's a bit harsh, Sir.

Onto the topic at hand: I'm sure there are fighters who will never reach the top 100 who run great miles or great 10 miles. Running and boxing are two very different tasks in my humble opinion. Both Wlad and Fury have good stamina. Tyson's belly wasn't that bad. Ali, Foreman, Frazier all put on weight in between fights. It remains to be seen if Tyson Fury implodes or this is all just another one of his gags.

Tony1244 wrote:"A disgrace to the civilized world?" And you insinuated what Mayweather did to Ortiz was the crime of the century. You are a master of hyperbole. We Americans can be chauvinistic in the original sense of the word. But being nonmetric is "Disgraceful? "That's a bit harsh, Sir.

Onto the topic at hand: I'm sure there are fighters who will never reach the top 100 who run great miles or great 10 miles. Running and boxing are two very different tasks in my humble opinion. Both Wlad and Fury have good stamina. Tyson's belly wasn't that bad. Ali, Foreman, Frazier all put on weight in between fights. It remains to be seen if Tyson Fury implodes or this is all just another one of his gags.

on the subject of the numeric system.
it is indeed annoying and frustrating
to get into the subtleties of the feet,
inches and half inches when it comes
to fighter heights. but of course, sir,
you are perfectly correct in identifying
my wording as a bit ... harsh.

regarding fighters needing to run long
distances. of course they don't have to!
george foreman has run his second
career with not too much running at all.
i was just wondering if tyson was just a
typical tall man with a non-impressive
look or if he indeed had a different
attitude regarding training.

my guess is wlad is a gym rat and always
was, working out every day within and
out of camp. does that mean he wins?
of course and obviously not. this was
simply not the subject of the thread
and whoever wants to read it into it:
it wasn't. but in order to nail down their
attitude i proposed the average daily
running distance they achieve in camp.

WK doesn't run - he does swimming for cardio

man wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:"A disgrace to the civilized world?" And you insinuated what Mayweather did to Ortiz was the crime of the century. You are a master of hyperbole. We Americans can be chauvinistic in the original sense of the word. But being nonmetric is "Disgraceful? "That's a bit harsh, Sir.

Onto the topic at hand: I'm sure there are fighters who will never reach the top 100 who run great miles or great 10 miles. Running and boxing are two very different tasks in my humble opinion. Both Wlad and Fury have good stamina. Tyson's belly wasn't that bad. Ali, Foreman, Frazier all put on weight in between fights. It remains to be seen if Tyson Fury implodes or this is all just another one of his gags.

on the subject of the numeric system.
it is indeed annoying and frustrating
to get into the subtleties of the feet,
inches and half inches when it comes
to fighter heights. but of course, sir,
you are perfectly correct in identifying
my wording as a bit ... harsh.

regarding fighters needing to run long
distances. of course they don't have to!
george foreman has run his second
career with not too much running at all.
i was just wondering if tyson was just a
typical tall man with a non-impressive
look or if he indeed had a different
attitude regarding training.

my guess is wlad is a gym rat and always
was, working out every day within and
out of camp. does that mean he wins?
of course and obviously not. this was
simply not the subject of the thread
and whoever wants to read it into it:
it wasn't. but in order to nail down their
attitude i proposed the average daily
running distance they achieve in camp.

I agree that Klitschko, both brothers actually are what we'd call here in the States fitness freaks. Tyson Fury has a natural capacity to eat ice cream and and have a few drinks.

There are Americans who know the metric system. Some people need it for their jobs, and we're taught it in school, but if you don't use it (knowledge) you lose it. But yes we do have a propensity for being homogenous. When I was in Europe years ago, it was easy to keep up with American baseball. Or newspapers don't cover European football or rugby at all.

BitPlayer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Haye would have destroyed him.

He didn't even destroy Valuev, who was similar reachwise, but far far stiffer, and without half the defense.

Valuev was so huge his size made anyone slow by default given the distance his opponent had to cover to get to him, he was a nightmare for his opponent's footwork, workrate and technique. Valuev also had a rock for a head, so his opponents were always in for the long haul. He was like the Ivo Karlovic of boxing - all of the problems he brought were based on his hulkish size.

Fury isn't as prohibitively big and has shown repeatedly during his career that his less-than-sturdy chin can be found by considerably smaller guys. If there's one thing Haye is, it's accurate. He always lands, and he would land against Fury. He would land the same punch he landed on Wlad in the 12th, and Fury would go down. Unlike Wlad, Fury would run into more hard shots afterwards and get stopped.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Haye would have destroyed him.

He didn't even destroy Valuev, who was similar reachwise, but far far stiffer, and without half the defense.

Valuev was so huge his size made anyone slow by default given the distance his opponent had to cover to get to him, he was a nightmare for his opponent's footwork, workrate and technique. Valuev also had a rock for a head, so his opponents were always in for the long haul. He was like the Ivo Karlovic of boxing - all of the problems he brought were based on his hulkish size.

Fury isn't as prohibitively big and has shown repeatedly during his career that his less-than-sturdy chin can be found by considerably smaller guys. If there's one thing Haye is, it's accurate. He always lands, and he would land against Fury. He would land the same punch he landed on Wlad in the 12th, and Fury would go down. Unlike Wlad, Fury would run into more hard shots afterwards and get stopped.

I think also a massive factor is that Haye wouldn't be as wary of Fury's power, he knew Wlad could hurt him badly with anything that landed, Fury doesn't hit anywhere near as hard.

I think it's a harder fight for Haye now than 2 years ago, Haye's slowed a bit, and Fury has improved.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: He didn't even destroy Valuev, who was similar reachwise, but far far stiffer, and without half the defense.

Valuev was so huge his size made anyone slow by default given the distance his opponent had to cover to get to him, he was a nightmare for his opponent's footwork, workrate and technique. Valuev also had a rock for a head, so his opponents were always in for the long haul. He was like the Ivo Karlovic of boxing - all of the problems he brought were based on his hulkish size.

Fury isn't as prohibitively big and has shown repeatedly during his career that his less-than-sturdy chin can be found by considerably smaller guys. If there's one thing Haye is, it's accurate. He always lands, and he would land against Fury. He would land the same punch he landed on Wlad in the 12th, and Fury would go down. Unlike Wlad, Fury would run into more hard shots afterwards and get stopped.

I think also a massive factor is that Haye wouldn't be as wary of Fury's power, he knew Wlad could hurt him badly with anything that landed, Fury doesn't hit anywhere near as hard.

I think it's a harder fight for Haye now than 2 years ago, Haye's slowed a bit, and Fury has improved.

it's a shame we didn't see it when it was supposed to happen. I agree it might be a bit harder for Haye now, but not by much. Fury still doesn't defend well enough to stay away from Haye's right hand for 12 rounds.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Valuev was so huge his size made anyone slow by default given the distance his opponent had to cover to get to him, he was a nightmare for his opponent's footwork, workrate and technique. Valuev also had a rock for a head, so his opponents were always in for the long haul. He was like the Ivo Karlovic of boxing - all of the problems he brought were based on his hulkish size.

Fury isn't as prohibitively big and has shown repeatedly during his career that his less-than-sturdy chin can be found by considerably smaller guys. If there's one thing Haye is, it's accurate. He always lands, and he would land against Fury. He would land the same punch he landed on Wlad in the 12th, and Fury would go down. Unlike Wlad, Fury would run into more hard shots afterwards and get stopped.

I think also a massive factor is that Haye wouldn't be as wary of Fury's power, he knew Wlad could hurt him badly with anything that landed, Fury doesn't hit anywhere near as hard.

I think it's a harder fight for Haye now than 2 years ago, Haye's slowed a bit, and Fury has improved.

it's a shame we didn't see it when it was supposed to happen. I agree it might be a bit harder for Haye now, but not by much. Fury still doesn't defend well enough to stay away from Haye's right hand for 12 rounds.

Yeah I always figured Haye would iron him out if they'd fought first time around, it's a far bigger fight now than it would have been. If indeed it ever happens.

It's true Fury isn't a particularly big hitter but Valuev isn't either, his shots are slow and sloppy. Again Valuev doesn't have much if any reach over Fury, their listed reach is actually the same.

BitPlayer wrote:It's true Fury isn't a particularly big hitter but Valuev isn't either, his shots are slow and sloppy. Again Valuev doesn't have much if any reach over Fury, their listed reach is actually the same.

Reach isn't everything. Valuev's head was in the heavens. Watch any Valuev fight and how far the opponent has to travel to hit him. That discrepancy just doesn't exist with Fury's opponents. Many have found his chin easily.

Riddick Blowe wrote:it's a shame we didn't see it when it was supposed to happen. I agree it might be a bit harder for Haye now, but not by much. Fury still doesn't defend well enough to stay away from Haye's right hand for 12 rounds.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Reach isn't everything. Valuev's head was in the heavens. Watch any Valuev fight and how far the opponent has to travel to hit him. That discrepancy just doesn't exist with Fury's opponents. Many have found his chin easily.

It's a fair point that Valuev's head is harder to reach due to height, but then again he can't go southpaw. Fury's been down, but he's much better defensively now. He won't get caught off guard, even if you can't stop a punch you can react to lessen it's effect. He likely can avoid getting knocked out, even if Haye drops him once, he could still get back up and win.

They can run any number of miles they want, depending on how fast they run... You can run for hours at a slow pace but it’s worthless. A world champion marathoner runs 5-minute miles for 26 miles and no boxer can equal that. They shouldn’t try. Boxing is not a long distance running. If you can box 12 rounds without problems you can box 25 rounds. It’s the difference between a 200-meter race and a 400-meter race. You adjust your pace a tad.

The goal for a Heavyweight should be 5 miles in 30 minutes. It takes 5 years to get there and almost no heavyweight achieves that because they give up.. You run for a strict 30 min at a pace you can recover fully in 5 min.. after another 5 min rest do ten 95% full out 100 meter sprints with one minute rests. Count your strides and use a stopwatch. The goal is 5 strides a second but it takes months to make any progress, and 5 years to reach the goal if you’re a good athlete. You should pick a high standard to shoot at even if you never get there. If you’re a one in 5 million athlete you might do that the 1st time you try. Run 6 days a week and try to take a week off every 4 months or after a long camp.

Fury is such a big and tall natural boxer he can cheat himself on training. He can blow up to 300 pounds and still outbox 99% of the boxers on the planet.. He’s a slow sprinter and runs like an old lady.. but his balance and vision are very good.. he’s a good thinker.. his reach is massive.. his reflexes are better than Klitschko’s.. he absorbs punches well.. he’s ambidextrous.. he’s not an outstanding athlete or real quick like Wlad.. Wlad is a natural athlete but lacks natural fistic instincts such as his brother Vitali had.. Fury is blessed with natural instincts.. Klitschko needed a great coach.. Fury plays it by ear and does well.. How many miles they run doesn’t play into it.