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Lackeos wrote:

Badhusker wrote:and why would a heavyweight want or need something to burn fat?

Dude, I don't even know. Isn't fat like the source of all strength? Didn't Usain Bolt have like hundreds of pounds of fat on him when he won all of those Olympic medals? I can't even think of a single reason why a professional athlete aspiring to be world champion wouldn't want to be covered in fat all over. Like, imagine if Michael Jordan was obese. He would've had like 7 championships, because all of that extra fat would've made him faster and stronger.

Wow man, thanks for the information! I had no idea about all that. It all makes sense now....Lucas Browne shed almost 5lbs from his previous fight so he could have more wind, power, speed, and stamina! All heavyweights should do the same.

What I'm wondering is, what is the penalty that Browne faces? Just losing the fake WBA World title? Is that really a fitting punishment? I think he could still land another big fight w/ out that sham title since he looked far from invincible and is still an undefeated contender with good notoriety.
I am guessing his win won't be reversed since that doesn't seem to be the norm.
It seems to me that if Browne really is guilty and he/his team felt they needed to gain some advantage from this drug, it was well worth it to get the win and remain a top contender w/ an undefeated record.

If the Russians were going to spike him with a drug why use one that'd be so performance enhancing? There must be banned substances that arent as fast acting as Clenbuterol they could spike him with.

Unless it was done post fight in which case he's a very silly boy in light of Tyson Furys comments and post fight actions!

chucktaylor wrote:What I'm wondering is, what is the penalty that Browne faces? Just losing the fake WBA World title? Is that really a fitting punishment? I think he could still land another big fight w/ out that sham title since he looked far from invincible and is still an undefeated contender with good notoriety.
I am guessing his win won't be reversed since that doesn't seem to be the norm.
It seems to me that if Browne really is guilty and he/his team felt they needed to gain some advantage from this drug, it was well worth it to get the win and remain a top contender w/ an undefeated record.

Morrales got 2 year ban for taking clenbuterol

He's not gonna get anything close to a 2 year ban.

chucktaylor wrote:He's not gonna get anything close to a 2 year ban.

Didnt say he was, just thats the punishment handed out by united states doping to El Terrible.

Ortiz got 12 month reduced to 8 for steroids

asdfjkl wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: You don't need weeks of it, the peak is after 8 days and after 14 it doesn't work any more. Bodybuilders use it two weeks off, two weeks on.

Ok, I'll bite.

Given what you are contending about clenbuterol, tell me how he passes a test days earlier then fails it post-fight.

I'll wait...

I didn't know he had a test before actually, that's new to me, but if you google what clenbuterol does (to animals) then you know the stuff can't be used for months in a row and you definetly don't need it for weeks in a row daily, like you said. If the test had been over 7 days before the final test it's very logical he hasn't been tested positive, if if happened less then 7 days it's still possible, especially if Browne assumed it was the only test.

It certainly doesn't make it impossible in every case. I don't know what Browne actually eated.

Upthread I posted a statement by a VADA spokesman which makes it clear he was tested twice during those last
pre-fight days in Chechnya. He passed the VADA test given days before the fight, which is my personal red flag.

There is absolutely NO BENEFIT to taking something like clenbuterol in such a short time span.

But it is perfect for making sure a guy pops positive.

Here's a link about Clenbuterol. Read it carefully, folks.

It will make you understand much better why this is fishy as hell.

http://www.zupplements.com/news/102/ANA ... terol.html

I have no opinion on this matter.
Not knowing the facts, means that any assertion on either side, would be slanderous speculation.

Wales wrote:

chucktaylor wrote:He's not gonna get anything close to a 2 year ban.

Didnt say he was, just thats the punishment handed out by united states doping to El Terrible.

Ortiz got 12 month reduced to 8 for steroids

The way I understood it, the ban was placed by the USADA because of multiple failed tests before the Garcia fight, and since Morales refused to fight the allegations, the ban was placed. I don't think he planned to fight again anyway, at least not in the states.

Wales wrote:If the Russians were going to spike him with a drug why use one that'd be so performance enhancing? There must be banned substances that arent as fast acting as Clenbuterol they could spike him with.

Unless it was done post fight in which case he's a very silly boy in light of Tyson Furys comments and post fight actions!

No benefit from it in one dose in so short a time span.

Actually, given what I've heard about the side effects, it would hamper him more than help.

You don't want to enter the ring like this:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/15484 ... e-effects/

'I am now able to report to you that on February 29 shortly after having arrived in Chechnya I was subjected to a randomly timed drug test by VADA. This was a test of blood and urine. The post-fight test was a urine-only test.

'I now hold clear and unequivocal evidence that this test was a negative test and shows clearly that I arrived in Chechnya a clean athlete.'

Exactly what I have been asking.

How do you take blood and urine a week out, pass with flying colors, then
pop positive on a urine test post fight for something that cannot possibly benefit
you in so short a timespan?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -test.html

Can happen accidentally as with the Mexico football team

http://europe.newsweek.com/stay-away-be ... ves-251839

In the end over 100 players tested positive for clenbuterol at the U-17 World Cup

whatashambles wrote:Can happen accidentally as with the Mexico football team

http://europe.newsweek.com/stay-away-be ... ves-251839

In the end over 100 players tested positive for clenbuterol at the U-17 World Cup

I just hope common sense rules the day here.

No way Lucas should be punished.

how many months is browne expected to b suspended for ?

dickbelden wrote:how many months is browne expected to b suspended for ?

No idea.

But any suspension is going to have to be preceded by an investigation, I would think.

koolkc107 wrote:'I am now able to report to you that on February 29 shortly after having arrived in Chechnya I was subjected to a randomly timed drug test by VADA. This was a test of blood and urine. The post-fight test was a urine-only test.

'I now hold clear and unequivocal evidence that this test was a negative test and shows clearly that I arrived in Chechnya a clean athlete.'

Exactly what I have been asking.

How do you take blood and urine a week out, pass with flying colors, then
pop positive on a urine test post fight for something that cannot possibly benefit
you in so short a timespan?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -test.html

What about using clenbuterol as a masking agent for something taken soon after the testbon arrival on the assumption it would have cleared the system prior to fight night. Is that possible?

I dunno maybe.

But there has to be something better than clenbuterol for that.

Anyone look into the food standards in Chechnya?

Specifically, is clenbuterol allowed in the farming of livestock?

This doesn't have to be some nefarious spiking of his food, just an inadvertent ingesting of it.

In any case, it is clear to me that everything right now is pointing to Lucas being innocent.

..I've found as yet no proof..just a statement claiming innocence as largely expected and blaming the boogeyman providing no solid evidence...

koolkc107 wrote: In any case, it is clear to me that everything right now is pointing to Lucas being innocent.

Or is it pointing to Browne messing up his use of masking agents.

asdfjkl wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: You don't need weeks of it, the peak is after 8 days and after 14 it doesn't work any more. Bodybuilders use it two weeks off, two weeks on.

Ok, I'll bite.

Given what you are contending about clenbuterol, tell me how he passes a test days earlier then fails it post-fight.

I'll wait...

I didn't know he had a test before actually, that's new to me, but if you google what clenbuterol does (to animals) then you know the stuff can't be used for months in a row and you definetly don't need it for weeks in a row daily, like you said. If the test had been over 7 days before the final test it's very logical he hasn't been tested positive, if if happened less then 7 days it's still possible, especially if Browne assumed it was the only test.

It certainly doesn't make it impossible in every case. I don't know what Browne actually eated.

You know that different chemical compounds react differently in different animals - for instance, theobromine in Chocolate is fatal to canines, but perfectly well tolerated by humans.

It does seem odd to me that he would pass the test before the fight, then start necking Clenbutorol to burn body fat - which wouldn't work in that space of time, and would have potentially adverse side effects.

Something smells a bit off to me here.

erik morales got 24 months for the exact same violation. when will they announce the suspension ?

punchoutsb wrote:Clenbuterol won't help you win a fight.

Well, it depends.

If Browne was got it just once before the fight (assuming he was framed), then you are right, it was not likely to be a factor.

It would be quite different though if he was using it on regular basis...

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
Ok, I'll bite.

Given what you are contending about clenbuterol, tell me how he passes a test days earlier then fails it post-fight.

I'll wait...

I didn't know he had a test before actually, that's new to me, but if you google what clenbuterol does (to animals) then you know the stuff can't be used for months in a row and you definetly don't need it for weeks in a row daily, like you said. If the test had been over 7 days before the final test it's very logical he hasn't been tested positive, if if happened less then 7 days it's still possible, especially if Browne assumed it was the only test.

It certainly doesn't make it impossible in every case. I don't know what Browne actually eated.

You know that different chemical compounds react differently in different animals - for instance, theobromine in Chocolate is fatal to canines, but perfectly well tolerated by humans.

It does seem odd to me that he would pass the test before the fight, then start necking Clenbutorol to burn body fat - which wouldn't work in that space of time, and would have potentially adverse side effects.

Something smells a bit off to me here.

I must say, I'm not a 100% sure Browne used this on purpose, but clenbuterol is usually untraceble after two weeks and even stronger, it's pretty much uneffective, I heard bodybuilders use it two weeks on, two weeks off, just like the animals that were tested on.
I really don't think it can be used forever and ever, continually improving, I think those bodybuilders know what they are doing.
I know animals aren't similar like human, but there is no better testmaterial except for human themself, which hasn't been tested as far as I know, except by bodybuilders. Browne could be perfectly clean a week before the fight and use it right after that test, somehow if he knows he's going to get checked it is indeed at least odd that he took the risk and also, it seems to be quite a odd moment to use it, he couldn't even had the maximum profit of it during the fight.
I'm not sure about the details, I don't know how he got it in his body, I just do know that he has. If nobody can prove Browne used it on purpose, I suggest they should fight again, that's about the max they both can ask for I think.

Anyone know if Kid Galahad's brother has been to Chechnya lately?