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The End wrote:

Larrylefthook wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
What proof.

Not one of you Lil g sticklickers has even attempted to explain his lack of greatness.

I'll take that as your submission and acknowledgement that I'm right.

Or, you can try an actual take.

Don't act like you haven't seen my question- Why did FMJ fight Cotto at 154 but force Canelo to go down to 152?
If you poo on GGG then you gotta poo on FMJ.

Because Canelo's camp is the one who offered to have the fight at 152.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

The End wrote:

Larrylefthook wrote: Don't act like you haven't seen my question- Why did FMJ fight Cotto at 154 but force Canelo to go down to 152?
If you poo on GGG then you gotta poo on FMJ.

Because Canelo's camp is the one who offered to have the fight at 152.

Pretty sure they never did. They offered 150 back in 2011, when Canelo was 21 and had a shot at making that. They didn't want any CW in 2013, that was the idea of the reigning and 2x SWW champ Floyd, who one year prior was saying Cotto was undefeated because of the Pac CW. And that he wants his opponents at their best weight

koolkc107 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

The End wrote:
Because Canelo's camp is the one who offered to have the fight at 152.

Pretty sure they never did. They offered 150 back in 2011, when Canelo was 21 and had a shot at making that. They didn't want any CW in 2013, that was the idea of the reigning and 2x SWW champ Floyd, who one year prior was saying Cotto was undefeated because of the Pac CW. And that he wants his opponents at their best weight

Well, there is plenty of documentation that whatever went down and whomever you believe, it all happened in the negotiation before the fight in 2013, not 2011. Yes, a younger Canelo may have offered a weight back in 2011, but a little research reveals that 152 was a weight that came up while they were making the fight.

Canelo's people tell a story about the negotiations starting at 147 and 152 being the eventual compromise.

Ellerbe's yarn has him and Floyd's people supposedly seeing something put out by Canelo's folks on BS.com THAT year about the 152 lb catchweights and holding them to that boast.

In any case, it just isn't clear whether the catchweight made any difference. Stamina was not an issue in the fight.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:A fat ass, we are not the same people, I only had the following accounts, Brut, KBB and now Undefeated; Kool C has challenged idiots like you here to prove that we are the same people but so far none of you lames have been willing to have yourselves proven as being wrong.

man wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:A fat ass, we are not the same people, I only had the following accounts, Brut, KBB and now Undefeated; Kool C has challenged idiots like you here to prove that we are the same people but so far none of you lames have been willing to have yourselves proven as being wrong.

you ever heard of that term "credibility"?
sir, all due respect, i think you permanently
destroyed yours.

change your ways and try to rebuild it. might
require you find some other place.

koolkc107 wrote:

man wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:A fat ass, we are not the same people, I only had the following accounts, Brut, KBB and now Undefeated; Kool C has challenged idiots like you here to prove that we are the same people but so far none of you lames have been willing to have yourselves proven as being wrong.

you ever heard of that term "credibility"?
sir, all due respect, i think you permanently
destroyed yours.

change your ways and try to rebuild it. might
require you find some other place.

With all due respect, I don't see how you can lose credibility calling things as you see it.
...
I guess that is one reason we are often confused for one another.

man wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

man wrote: you ever heard of that term "credibility"?
sir, all due respect, i think you permanently
destroyed yours.

change your ways and try to rebuild it. might
require you find some other place.

With all due respect, I don't see how you can lose credibility calling things as you see it.
...
I guess that is one reason we are often confused for one another.

you could not better illustrate my point.
i write to him, you come back defending
and since he did what he did i ask myself
if he is actually you. that is not saying you
are one poster, it is saying he lost credibility.

and that has nothing to do with any feud
going on with someone else.

koolkc107 wrote:Yes.

It was the biggest money fight available at the time.

And it wasn't the burden on Canelo many make it out to be which is why the deal was struck so easily.

After all, Canelo won the belt by weighing in at 152 for a supposed 150 lb catchweight with Hatton.

Larrylefthook wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Yes.

It was the biggest money fight available at the time.

And it wasn't the burden on Canelo many make it out to be which is why the deal was struck so easily.

After all, Canelo won the belt by weighing in at 152 for a supposed 150 lb catchweight with Hatton.

That fight was 2 and a half years before the Floyd fight when he was only 21, when he fought Floyd he obviously grew into a man of 24 as he weighed 154 3 times before the fight, then the fight after Floyd he weighed 155!

No way lil Floyd would have fought Canelo at 154, he likes to use any advantage he can just like in the JMM fight too not making weight.

koolkc107 wrote:What kind of idiot logic is it that has someone confusing one poster with another, then taking it as proof
they are right when either poster involved in the confusion responds?

If you are involving another person in your mistake how is it you are confused by that person correcting you?

LOL!!!!!!

man wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:What kind of idiot logic is it that has someone confusing one poster with another, then taking it as proof
they are right when either poster involved in the confusion responds?

If you are involving another person in your mistake how is it you are confused by that person correcting you?

LOL!!!!!!

sir, you should try to avoid using
this word.

koolkc107 wrote:

Larrylefthook wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Yes.

It was the biggest money fight available at the time.

And it wasn't the burden on Canelo many make it out to be which is why the deal was struck so easily.

After all, Canelo won the belt by weighing in at 152 for a supposed 150 lb catchweight with Hatton.

That fight was 2 and a half years before the Floyd fight when he was only 21, when he fought Floyd he obviously grew into a man of 24 as he weighed 154 3 times before the fight, then the fight after Floyd he weighed 155!

No way lil Floyd would have fought Canelo at 154, he likes to use any advantage he can just like in the JMM fight too not making weight.

He fought DLH at 147 who, even diminished, was a much more difficult opponent than Canelo.

So yeah, the fight would have happened anyway.

Pureist wrote:Put a verified link down tooli, where he stated he would come down to 155 to fight canelo, not floyd, canelo. Fighting floyd is a whole different ballgame, floyd is naturally smaller than canelo, beating the unbeaten P4P#1 is clearly worth dropping down for, so please put that link down for CANELO

Pureist wrote:" if it's in his best interests" is a very compelling part of that paragraph, again why give canelo an unnecessary advantage when canelo wouldn't even entertain fighting him unless it was a mandatory, WHICH IT IS

koolkc107 wrote:Someone please reconcile these hypocritical statements and actions with greatness.

See, this isn't about mandatories or belts- it is about greatness.

Lil g fanboys say Gennady is great now, but truth is we don't know because he wont challenge himself.

You can go down to 154 for a fight with Floyd Mayweather, a welterweight...but
you can't go down one pound less for the guy Mayweather beat easily.

You can go down for the money to be gained from Floyd, but you cant go down a
pound less for the second biggest payday that is currently available.

Which makes even less sense when you add in the fact lil g was cool with going UP
to 168 to fight Froch or Julio Chavez jr., which are actually not as lucrative as a Canelo fight.

Yes, 168 is fine for Jr or Carl but mention Ward and it has to be at 164.

To recap.

1) He can drain himself for one guy, but cant be easier on himself weightwise
for the guy defeated by the guy he would drain himself for.

2) He is willing to go up and down in weight (since it is safe to assume a Froch fight at
168 would mean he'd go back down to 160) for less lucrative fights than just going down for Canelo.
He is willing to be harder on his body for less money.

3) It is OK for lil g as an A-side to ask other fighters to drain themselves but not OK for an
clear A-side to ask lil g to do the same...even though he is on record as saying he would do just that.

So here it is, lil g knobslobbers.

Explain how this is the behavior of a "great" fighter.

Explain this without hiding behind "mandatory", since we know great fighters do whatever
they can to make a great fight, many times without regard for what is "mandatory".

Explain this without mentioning belts, since great fights don't need them AND most of the big fights
lil g has been angling for the past 2 years have had nothing to do with a belt of any kind.

caldo2025 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Someone please reconcile these hypocritical statements and actions with greatness.

See, this isn't about mandatories or belts- it is about greatness.

Lil g fanboys say Gennady is great now, but truth is we don't know because he wont challenge himself.

You can go down to 154 for a fight with Floyd Mayweather, a welterweight...but
you can't go down one pound less for the guy Mayweather beat easily.

You can go down for the money to be gained from Floyd, but you cant go down a
pound less for the second biggest payday that is currently available.

Which makes even less sense when you add in the fact lil g was cool with going UP
to 168 to fight Froch or Julio Chavez jr., which are actually not as lucrative as a Canelo fight.

Yes, 168 is fine for Jr or Carl but mention Ward and it has to be at 164.

To recap.

1) He can drain himself for one guy, but cant be easier on himself weightwise
for the guy defeated by the guy he would drain himself for.

2) He is willing to go up and down in weight (since it is safe to assume a Froch fight at
168 would mean he'd go back down to 160) for less lucrative fights than just going down for Canelo.
He is willing to be harder on his body for less money.

3) It is OK for lil g as an A-side to ask other fighters to drain themselves but not OK for an
clear A-side to ask lil g to do the same...even though he is on record as saying he would do just that.

So here it is, lil g knobslobbers.

Explain how this is the behavior of a "great" fighter.

Explain this without hiding behind "mandatory", since we know great fighters do whatever
they can to make a great fight, many times without regard for what is "mandatory".

Explain this without mentioning belts, since great fights don't need them AND most of the big fights
lil g has been angling for the past 2 years have had nothing to do with a belt of any kind.

A Floyd Butt Swab like yourself should know the answer to this question. It's the answer that you've took the liberty to use to defend Floyd for never fighting a number one contender in his career. MONEY, Einstein. MONEY is THE factor in boxing. It's why Floyd never fought guys like Thurman, Porter, Brook or Khan according to Floyd himself. You, yourself, use this as a canned response to Floyd avoiding fights for years.

Suck weight for one fight to make $50m or go up in weight to make $2-5m. Not even a question.

Ward can barely sell seats in Oakland, his home town. He got booed there a week ago in that mess of a fight. Then factor into the mix how unreliable Ward is and has been. Kovalev is starting to understand the Ward Way. Their fight was supposed to be in 2016 but now they say 2017-18 because Ward needs more tuneup fights. Ward's postponed fights, refused to fight only in court. Why would anyone want to hook their wagon up with this guy? The risk is not worth the reward when it comes to Ward. He doesn't have the fan base and is way too unreliable to tie up valuable years of GGG's prime for peanuts.

Pureist wrote:See, this is where you go wrong, you put your own spin on thing, where did he PROMISE to go down to fight canelo, your spin, not his words, you really are a nuffy

koolkc107 wrote:

man wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:A fat ass, we are not the same people, I only had the following accounts, Brut, KBB and now Undefeated; Kool C has challenged idiots like you here to prove that we are the same people but so far none of you lames have been willing to have yourselves proven as being wrong.

you ever heard of that term "credibility"?
sir, all due respect, i think you permanently
destroyed yours.

change your ways and try to rebuild it. might
require you find some other place.

With all due respect, I don't see how you can lose credibility calling things as you see it.

I find most (not all) of Undefeated's takes very credible, and I notice most posters can't
rebut many of the things he says and often are reduced to juvenile name-calling.

I guess that is one reason we are often confused for one another.

I don't know how he truly feels about it, but I get a charge out of it each and every time.

Because the fact that it isn't true only confirms other half-arsed takes that have no merit.

The only thing that could be better would be making folks PAY for their stupidity.

But, it seems even the most moronic here have at least a modicum of common sense in not putting that to a real test.

Deep down, you all know it is two differnt folks owning you, not just one.

koolkc107 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Someone please reconcile these hypocritical statements and actions with greatness.

See, this isn't about mandatories or belts- it is about greatness.

Lil g fanboys say Gennady is great now, but truth is we don't know because he wont challenge himself.

You can go down to 154 for a fight with Floyd Mayweather, a welterweight...but
you can't go down one pound less for the guy Mayweather beat easily.

You can go down for the money to be gained from Floyd, but you cant go down a
pound less for the second biggest payday that is currently available.

Which makes even less sense when you add in the fact lil g was cool with going UP
to 168 to fight Froch or Julio Chavez jr., which are actually not as lucrative as a Canelo fight.

Yes, 168 is fine for Jr or Carl but mention Ward and it has to be at 164.

To recap.

1) He can drain himself for one guy, but cant be easier on himself weightwise
for the guy defeated by the guy he would drain himself for.

2) He is willing to go up and down in weight (since it is safe to assume a Froch fight at
168 would mean he'd go back down to 160) for less lucrative fights than just going down for Canelo.
He is willing to be harder on his body for less money.

3) It is OK for lil g as an A-side to ask other fighters to drain themselves but not OK for an
clear A-side to ask lil g to do the same...even though he is on record as saying he would do just that.

So here it is, lil g knobslobbers.

Explain how this is the behavior of a "great" fighter.

Explain this without hiding behind "mandatory", since we know great fighters do whatever
they can to make a great fight, many times without regard for what is "mandatory".

Explain this without mentioning belts, since great fights don't need them AND most of the big fights
lil g has been angling for the past 2 years have had nothing to do with a belt of any kind.

A Floyd Butt Swab like yourself should know the answer to this question. It's the answer that you've took the liberty to use to defend Floyd for never fighting a number one contender in his career. MONEY, Einstein. MONEY is THE factor in boxing. It's why Floyd never fought guys like Thurman, Porter, Brook or Khan according to Floyd himself. You, yourself, use this as a canned response to Floyd avoiding fights for years.

Suck weight for one fight to make $50m or go up in weight to make $2-5m. Not even a question.

Ward can barely sell seats in Oakland, his home town. He got booed there a week ago in that mess of a fight. Then factor into the mix how unreliable Ward is and has been. Kovalev is starting to understand the Ward Way. Their fight was supposed to be in 2016 but now they say 2017-18 because Ward needs more tuneup fights. Ward's postponed fights, refused to fight only in court. Why would anyone want to hook their wagon up with this guy? The risk is not worth the reward when it comes to Ward. He doesn't have the fan base and is way too unreliable to tie up valuable years of GGG's prime for peanuts.

Money, huh?

Money is the answer to why lil g is being a hypocrite and going back on his
promise to go down in weight to make a fight with Canelo?

So, by your logic (because no way am I going to let YOU put words in my mouth), there HAS TO BE
a bigger money fight out there than Canelo for Gennady because the millions he would make
fighting Saul is much less than what he'd get fighting...who?

It aint gonna be Floyd, cuz we see him setting up his last okey-doke with The Dick,
so scratch the fantasy 50m you just tried to float.

So who is his next biggest payday. Froch, who like Floyd, doesn't even know if he is going to fight again?

Who is is his biggest payday ACTIVELY FIGHTING RIGHT NOW?

See, I had to walk you into this punch, Caldo, cuz frankly sometimes your pilot light flickers a bit.

Your contention is totally full of shyt.

His biggest money fight IS Canelo and he can get it for one pound LESS stress than the dream fight he says he wants.

So, try again.

Try making sense of that bullshyt.

And Pukist, how is avoiding the biggest purse available to him in lil g's best interest?