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diddy wrote:Who takes more heat here?

Ward or GGG?

All of the talk around GGG centers around his level of opposition. And let's be honest. It's a worthy topic. His best win is probably...Gabe Rosado or Curtis Stevens? Question those opponents...an you're a hater? How can you be a hater if you call a guy a top 3 p4p fighter? From my end I just want to see GGG fight somebody, anybody, to where I don't 1000% know the result before the fight begins. Some drama; if you will.

You can't hate on Ward's career opponents - yet people still attempt to downplay them. Because of feelings that go beyond a boxing ring. Personal feelings. But why? Ward is about as likeable an athlete as there is outside the ring. Doesn't drink. Doesn't smoke. Goes to church every week. Gives to charities. An an all around good dude. Yet people resent his success. For their own personal reasons mainly due to a disdain for America. Which speaks to them as individuals. This isn't about war. Or politics. Yet people make it so.

dberry wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ggg takes way more heat.

Oh, you mean how Pirog and Geale and Lemuix were great fighters until GGG beat them, bums afterwards, but Taylor and Froch and Kessler were p4p champions after Ward beat them!?

dberry wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ggg takes way more heat.

Oh, you mean how Pirog and Geale and Lemuix were great fighters until GGG beat them, bums afterwards, but Taylor and Froch and Kessler were p4p champions after Ward beat them!?

diddy wrote:

dberry wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ggg takes way more heat.

Oh, you mean how Pirog and Geale and Lemuix were great fighters until GGG beat them, bums afterwards, but Taylor and Froch and Kessler were p4p champions after Ward beat them!?

GGG fought Pirog? Because that would've been a good win. Had they actually fought.

Lemiuex lost to Alcine and Rubio before GGG even got a hold a hold of him. Those guys stink.

Daniel Geale is trash, was trash, and will always be trash.

Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Maybe you heard of him? Mikkel Kessler's only other loss was Joe Calzaghe and Froch. Carl Froch has only ever lost to Andre Ward, and once to Kessler which he avenged.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

diddy wrote:

dberry wrote: Oh, you mean how Pirog and Geale and Lemuix were great fighters until GGG beat them, bums afterwards, but Taylor and Froch and Kessler were p4p champions after Ward beat them!?

GGG fought Pirog? Because that would've been a good win. Had they actually fought.

Lemiuex lost to Alcine and Rubio before GGG even got a hold a hold of him. Those guys stink.

Daniel Geale is trash, was trash, and will always be trash.

Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Maybe you heard of him? Mikkel Kessler's only other loss was Joe Calzaghe and Froch. Carl Froch has only ever lost to Andre Ward, and once to Kessler which he avenged.

Anyone with a brain can see GGG has weak opposition. However, the manner in which he deals with them, definitely suggests he's absolutely top drawer.

diddy wrote:

dberry wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ggg takes way more heat.

Oh, you mean how Pirog and Geale and Lemuix were great fighters until GGG beat them, bums afterwards, but Taylor and Froch and Kessler were p4p champions after Ward beat them!?

GGG fought Pirog? Because that would've been a good win. Had they actually fought.

Lemiuex lost to Alcine and Rubio before GGG even got a hold a hold of him. Those guys stink.

Daniel Geale is trash, was trash, and will always be trash.

Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Maybe you heard of him? Mikkel Kessler's only other loss was Joe Calzaghe and Froch. Carl Froch has only ever lost to Andre Ward, and once to Kessler which he avenged.

diddy wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

diddy wrote:
GGG fought Pirog? Because that would've been a good win. Had they actually fought.

Lemiuex lost to Alcine and Rubio before GGG even got a hold a hold of him. Those guys stink.

Daniel Geale is trash, was trash, and will always be trash.

Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Maybe you heard of him? Mikkel Kessler's only other loss was Joe Calzaghe and Froch. Carl Froch has only ever lost to Andre Ward, and once to Kessler which he avenged.

Anyone with a brain can see GGG has weak opposition. However, the manner in which he deals with them, definitely suggests he's absolutely top drawer.

No one is saying he isn't top shelf. He is. Wanting to see him get challenged is my only critique. Because he can't get challenged at 160. The fights are not remotely interesting.

dberry wrote:

diddy wrote:

dberry wrote: Oh, you mean how Pirog and Geale and Lemuix were great fighters until GGG beat them, bums afterwards, but Taylor and Froch and Kessler were p4p champions after Ward beat them!?

GGG fought Pirog? Because that would've been a good win. Had they actually fought.

Lemiuex lost to Alcine and Rubio before GGG even got a hold a hold of him. Those guys stink.

Daniel Geale is trash, was trash, and will always be trash.

Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Maybe you heard of him? Mikkel Kessler's only other loss was Joe Calzaghe and Froch. Carl Froch has only ever lost to Andre Ward, and once to Kessler which he avenged.

Oh, sorry, I got it totally wrong about you, you are a total fucken moron. Sorry I wasted my fuckin time trying to converse with you, you pathetic twat. On account of me mistaking a wanker like you as a decent human being, don't bother quiting me as you'll get the reply you deserve, none.

dberry wrote:

diddy wrote:

dberry wrote: Oh, you mean how Pirog and Geale and Lemuix were great fighters until GGG beat them, bums afterwards, but Taylor and Froch and Kessler were p4p champions after Ward beat them!?

GGG fought Pirog? Because that would've been a good win. Had they actually fought.

Lemiuex lost to Alcine and Rubio before GGG even got a hold a hold of him. Those guys stink.

Daniel Geale is trash, was trash, and will always be trash.

Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Maybe you heard of him? Mikkel Kessler's only other loss was Joe Calzaghe and Froch. Carl Froch has only ever lost to Andre Ward, and once to Kessler which he avenged.

Oh, sorry, I got it totally wrong about you, you are a total fucken moron. Sorry I wasted my fuckin time trying to converse with you, you pathetic twat. On account of me mistaking a wanker like you as a decent human being, don't bother quiting me as you'll get the reply you deserve, none.

diddy wrote:

dberry wrote:

diddy wrote:
GGG fought Pirog? Because that would've been a good win. Had they actually fought.

Lemiuex lost to Alcine and Rubio before GGG even got a hold a hold of him. Those guys stink.

Daniel Geale is trash, was trash, and will always be trash.

Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Maybe you heard of him? Mikkel Kessler's only other loss was Joe Calzaghe and Froch. Carl Froch has only ever lost to Andre Ward, and once to Kessler which he avenged.

Oh, sorry, I got it totally wrong about you, you are a total fucken moron. Sorry I wasted my fuckin time trying to converse with you, you pathetic twat. On account of me mistaking a wanker like you as a decent human being, don't bother quiting me as you'll get the reply you deserve, none.

Being put in your place must be humbling. I can't relate. Understand that when you address me - I actually have a clue what I'm talking about.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

diddy wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Anyone with a brain can see GGG has weak opposition. However, the manner in which he deals with them, definitely suggests he's absolutely top drawer.

No one is saying he isn't top shelf. He is. Wanting to see him get challenged is my only critique. Because he can't get challenged at 160. The fights are not remotely interesting.

I enjoy watching him dismantling people, but I agree, it's not particularly edifying.

Trouble is, I don't think he's really built right for moving up, I think at 168 he'd be conceding too many advantages, he's on the small side at 160, so he probably hasn't got a lot of choice. He could probably beat Canelo at 155, but I can see why they don't want to concede to him. it's the middleweight title, why the hell should he?! If it wasn't a 160 title fight, then sure, but it's stupid otherwise.

diddy wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

diddy wrote:
No one is saying he isn't top shelf. He is. Wanting to see him get challenged is my only critique. Because he can't get challenged at 160. The fights are not remotely interesting.

I enjoy watching him dismantling people, but I agree, it's not particularly edifying.

Trouble is, I don't think he's really built right for moving up, I think at 168 he'd be conceding too many advantages, he's on the small side at 160, so he probably hasn't got a lot of choice. He could probably beat Canelo at 155, but I can see why they don't want to concede to him. it's the middleweight title, why the hell should he?! If it wasn't a 160 title fight, then sure, but it's stupid otherwise.

Good post. Actual discussion. Light heavyweights who have sparred with GGG say he hits as hard if not harder than other light heavyweights. Hearing that is enough for me to believe he should be fighting in the super middleweight division. If he wants to see someone who can actually punch back a little bit.

dberry wrote:Oh, and my mistake, I meant Proksa, not Pirog. For this imbecile, diddy, to call the likes of Danial Gesle and David Lemuix trash, post fight, anonymously from behind his keyboard is rather big of him. I guess he has never stepped into a ring for a real fight, he would have not a clue on how the industry works and his fights are really made. What a fucken arseclown.

diddy wrote: No one is saying he isn't top shelf. He is. Wanting to see him get challenged is my only critique. Because he can't get challenged at 160. The fights are not remotely interesting. The dude routinely spars with light heavyweights. Going up to super middle isn't going to compromise him. He's 34. If he's gonna do it the time is now. Or within a year. Eventually it will be too late.

ikorolev wrote:

diddy wrote: No one is saying he isn't top shelf. He is. Wanting to see him get challenged is my only critique. Because he can't get challenged at 160. The fights are not remotely interesting. The dude routinely spars with light heavyweights. Going up to super middle isn't going to compromise him. He's 34. If he's gonna do it the time is now. Or within a year. Eventually it will be too late.

Hagler wasn't moving up. He was just waiting for top welters like Duran, Hearns and SRL to move up and fight him.

Hopkins was fighting the same level of opposition as Golovkin for many years until he finally got Tito, DLH and Taylor.

Golovkin may have quite a few years of prime left, and he can certainly move up in a year or two.

diddy wrote:I want to see GGG fight Andre Ward. That is really all I care about. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is. Even tho that's the only way to settle this crap. But this is what boxing is. It's not a sport anymore. It's not about us, the fans. Hasnt been for a long time.

diddy wrote:I want to see GGG fight Andre Ward. That is really all I care about. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is. Even tho that's the only way to settle this crap. But this is what boxing is. It's not a sport anymore. It's not about us, the fans. Hasnt been for a long time.

MachoTime wrote:

diddy wrote:I want to see GGG fight Andre Ward. That is really all I care about. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is. Even tho that's the only way to settle this crap. But this is what boxing is. It's not a sport anymore. It's not about us, the fans. Hasnt been for a long time.

Trouble is you want GGG to move up and give away any advantages he has fighting at 160. But it would be to much for you to suggest that Ward move down to 160. If you did that you would be ridiculed as a Ward hater. In other words get used to it. GGG is staying at 160.

MachoTime wrote:

diddy wrote:I want to see GGG fight Andre Ward. That is really all I care about. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is. Even tho that's the only way to settle this crap. But this is what boxing is. It's not a sport anymore. It's not about us, the fans. Hasnt been for a long time.

Trouble is you want GGG to move up and give away any advantages he has fighting at 160. But it would be to much for you to suggest that Ward move down to 160. If you did that you would be ridiculed as a Ward hater. In other words get used to it. GGG is staying at 160.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

MachoTime wrote:

diddy wrote:I want to see GGG fight Andre Ward. That is really all I care about. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is. Even tho that's the only way to settle this crap. But this is what boxing is. It's not a sport anymore. It's not about us, the fans. Hasnt been for a long time.

Trouble is you want GGG to move up and give away any advantages he has fighting at 160. But it would be to much for you to suggest that Ward move down to 160. If you did that you would be ridiculed as a Ward hater. In other words get used to it. GGG is staying at 160.

Isn't that was ggg is doing??? Have people move up or down. Ward 164, Maywearher to go up even tho he done moved up 5 or 6 divisions already. I don't want ggg to move up so he loses his advantage, I just want to see him in with another elite. Ward, kova and ggg are top 3. I'm not asking anything crazy by saying I wanna see ward vs ggg.