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jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'm not sure why Haye having a few years out would have such an impact. He's only 35, if anything 3 years out is less wear and tear.

Provided there's no problems with his shoulder, I fail to see why he would have declined - modern heavyweights are practically in their prime at 35.

You don't think only having one fight in about 5 years before his comeback might have led to him losing something?

Being mostly out of the gym for 5 years has probably had a negative affect on his abilities and I didn't think that he was particularly brilliant as a heavyweight in the first place.


Haye's heavyweight results ranked:

Nikolay Valuev - 2009
Dereck Chisora - 2012
John Ruiz - 2010
Monte Barrett - 2008
Audley Harrison - 2010
Wladimir Klitschko - (Lost) - 2011
Arnold Gjergjaj - 2016
Tomasz Bonin - 2007
Mark de Mori - 2016
Garry Delaney - 2005

Valeri Semiskur - 2004


Haye's run at heavyweight was never spectacular. Pulev would quite possibly be Haye's best win at heavyweight if he could beat him.

Haye is a blown up cruiserweight, he's hardly fought in recent years and he would have avoided fighters like Pulev 8 years ago as well.

Haye should not be fighting opponents like Pulev unless there is a lot of money on the line.

Horse wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'm not sure why Haye having a few years out would have such an impact. He's only 35, if anything 3 years out is less wear and tear.

Provided there's no problems with his shoulder, I fail to see why he would have declined - modern heavyweights are practically in their prime at 35.

You don't think only having one fight in about 5 years before his comeback might have led to him losing something?

Being mostly out of the gym for 5 years has probably had a negative affect on his abilities and I didn't think that he was particularly brilliant as a heavyweight in the first place.


Haye's heavyweight results ranked:

Nikolay Valuev - 2009
Dereck Chisora - 2012
John Ruiz - 2010
Monte Barrett - 2008
Audley Harrison - 2010
Wladimir Klitschko - (Lost) - 2011
Arnold Gjergjaj - 2016
Tomasz Bonin - 2007
Mark de Mori - 2016
Garry Delaney - 2005

Valeri Semiskur - 2004


Haye's run at heavyweight was never spectacular. Pulev would quite possibly be Haye's best win at heavyweight if he could beat him.

Haye is a blown up cruiserweight, he's hardly fought in recent years and he would have avoided fighters like Pulev 8 years ago as well.

Haye should not be fighting opponents like Pulev unless there is a lot of money on the line.

I agree he's never been that great a heavyweight, that's for sure. He was lucky he was in a piss-weak era and could snuggle a belt from Valuev, his performance against Wlad showed his true place.

Anzi wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:

Anzi wrote: "Ain't no toe stopping us now" Hawkins would be too intelligent for Haye.

You never lose your power is an odd statement. You 100% do. Bones get brittler, muscles start to wear, nerves react slower.

You would say that lol

odd response but ok

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
I'm not sure why Haye having a few years out would have such an impact. He's only 35, if anything 3 years out is less wear and tear.

Provided there's no problems with his shoulder, I fail to see why he would have declined - modern heavyweights are practically in their prime at 35.

I agree. He's not been in any wars, not been bashed up or knocked out. Plus he has only fought 30 times, averaging only 4 rounds per fight. No reason why he should fall into a massive decline aged 35, he looks after himself diet wise and doesn't get out of shape which all helps.

Controversial wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
I'm not sure why Haye having a few years out would have such an impact. He's only 35, if anything 3 years out is less wear and tear.

Provided there's no problems with his shoulder, I fail to see why he would have declined - modern heavyweights are practically in their prime at 35.

I agree. He's not been in any wars, not been bashed up or knocked out. Plus he has only fought 30 times, averaging only 4 rounds per fight. No reason why he should fall into a massive decline aged 35, he looks after himself diet wise and doesn't get out of shape which all helps.

His only beating was at the hands of Thompson, and he was more exhausted than anything.

Haye's got way less miles on the clock than most heavyweights at top level his age, and he's already had two tune up fights.

I'm not suggesting a fight with Pulev is a good business move, however, if he's serious about his chances against Joshua or Fury, or Wilder for that matter, he'll need to face someone who offers more resistance than Briggs. I suspect he isn't that serious, and is more interested in the payday, though I'm sure he wouldn't mind a title either.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Controversial wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
I'm not sure why Haye having a few years out would have such an impact. He's only 35, if anything 3 years out is less wear and tear.

Provided there's no problems with his shoulder, I fail to see why he would have declined - modern heavyweights are practically in their prime at 35.

I agree. He's not been in any wars, not been bashed up or knocked out. Plus he has only fought 30 times, averaging only 4 rounds per fight. No reason why he should fall into a massive decline aged 35, he looks after himself diet wise and doesn't get out of shape which all helps.

His only beating was at the hands of Thompson, and he was more exhausted than anything.

Haye's got way less miles on the clock than most heavyweights at top level his age, and he's already had two tune up fights.

I'm not suggesting a fight with Pulev is a good business move, however, if he's serious about his chances against Joshua or Fury, or Wilder for that matter, he'll need to face someone who offers more resistance than Briggs. I suspect he isn't that serious, and is more interested in the payday, though I'm sure he wouldn't mind a title either.

Yeah the Briggs fight is a joke but to be fair to Haye he isn't trying to build it up more than it is. The problem these days is none of the top contenders want to fight each other, they all want a crack at the title because thats where the money is. Why risk a big payday and title fighting someone you could lose to. I don't recall anyone else calling Haye out other than Briggs, so when people say Haye is ducking people I can't help but think these other fighters may be ducking Haye as well.

Controversial wrote:The problem these days is none of the top contenders want to fight each other, they all want a crack at the title because thats where the money is. Why risk a big payday and title fighting someone you could lose to.

Actually plenty of decent fights have been happening at heavyweight recently.

Klitschko vs Fury
Pulev vs Chisora
Ortiz vs Jennings
Parker vs Takam
Chagaev vs Browne
Scott vs Thompson
Glazkov vs Cunningham
Duhaupas vs Helenius
Joshua vs Martin
Teper vs Price

Also the only reason Wilder vs Povetkin didn't happen was because of the failed drug test. The top fighters have been willing to fight each other recently.

Horse wrote:

Controversial wrote:The problem these days is none of the top contenders want to fight each other, they all want a crack at the title because thats where the money is. Why risk a big payday and title fighting someone you could lose to.

Actually plenty of decent fights have been happening at heavyweight recently.

Klitschko vs Fury
Pulev vs Chisora
Ortiz vs Jennings
Parker vs Takam
Chagaev vs Browne
Scott vs Thompson
Glazkov vs Cunningham
Duhaupas vs Helenius
Joshua vs Martin
Teper vs Price

Also the only reason Wilder vs Povetkin didn't happen was because of the failed drug test. The top fighters have been willing to fight each other recently.

I'm talking about non-title fights. I'm sure if Haye was offered a title eliminator he would grab it regardless of the opponent. My point being no one else seems to be calling Haye out.

knockout wrote:The promo on Briggs' Instagram suggests it's on PPV?! Couldn't see any mention of what channel ?

PPV?

Surely they couldn't try to put crap like that on PPV?

Who would buy it?

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knockout wrote:The promo on Briggs' Instagram suggests it's on PPV?! Couldn't see any mention of what channel ?

PPV?

Surely they couldn't try to put crap like that on PPV?

Who would buy it?

Bloody told you so!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

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knockout wrote:The promo on Briggs' Instagram suggests it's on PPV?! Couldn't see any mention of what channel ?

PPV?

Surely they couldn't try to put crap like that on PPV?

Who would buy it?

Bloody told you so!

They are going to build this up as if Briggs was one of the most dangerous heavyweights in the world, banging on about his KO streak, him being a former world champ etc. They won't mention the fact his last world title challenge was 8 years ago and put him in hospital, or that he's been fighting absolute scrubs in the last few years.

I won't be surprised at all if this is hyped up as a megaevent and put on PPV.

If they can fill arenas with the shite that Haye has been offering thus far, it's not beyond the realms of possibility. I do wonder how many people would shell out for it though. Maybe if it was 5 quid, who knows?

Hope they don't make it PPV. I think it's an 80/20 fight in Haye's favour at best. Probably similar to the odds that In my head I had given for the Eubank Jnr, Nick Blackwell fight. Not nearly as bad as Haye's last two fights, but on paper it is not worthy of PPV. But perhaps the casuals will buy it. He may make more money short term - but the damage to his legacy will be significant. It says a lot when mainstream newspapers are calling your comeback a sham. If it's on free TV I could forgive it.

80/20 is way too generous to Briggs

There's a reason he's fought nothing but total scrubs over the last several years, rather than earning a big fight with decent wins. If he tried that he'd probably be exposed for what he is; a totally shot 44 year old who was put in intensive care the last time he fought a good opponent (6 years ago!). The most interesting thing for me about the fight is whether he'll start gasping for air during the first or second minute of the opening round.

crusader wrote:There's a reason he's fought nothing but total scrubs since Vitali hospitalized him,

Why do you keep mentioning that?

It's a lame cheap shot.

It shows how far out of his depth he was when he stopped fighting scrubs, and a beating that sends a man to intensive care is one that may well have long-term negative impacts and increase susceptibility to further injury. Now it's 6 years and 0 wins over credible opponents later, and some knowledgeable fans are actually starting to buy into this joke of a fight because the old man knocked over some more bums and talked a lot, just like he did before his hospital stint.

Even about 10 years ago he boxed like a slow, plodding oaf and was outclassed by Sultan Ibragimov.

crusader wrote:It shows how far out of his depth he was when he stopped fighting scrubs,

Vitali is just a little better than a scrub is he?

Briggs was sent to hospital because he was too tough to be stopped and the ref and corner refused to stop the fight when they should have.

Vitali would have stopped Haye.

Vitali was a very good fighter, but Sultan Ibragimov was pretty ordinary in my view and he still managed to outclass slow, plodding, heavy-breathing Briggs almost a decade ago.

If Briggs and his team had any confidence in his abilities I don't think they would've exclusively feasted on such dreadful opposition since the Vitali beating; his opponents make Dennis Bakhtov, the toughest foe Arnie beat, look like a monster.