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stevedoc wrote:

Dixonian wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
So, in order to be considered a puncher, you have to leave guys face down every fight. Right.

Even by your own definition you fail, Joshua has poleaxed most of the guys on his record. Who exactly has managed to avoid hitting the canvas or taking a count against him by the end of the fight? Oh yeah, noone.

You can call him robotic or anything else, but saying he's not a legit puncher is ridiculous in the extreme.

Yep you do wonder about people's eyesight sometimes!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0uvGe0AhNI


here's AJ KO reel seems like a lot of stoppages to me ...you should check your own eyesight sonny jim

Sorry you're right. Because he hasn't knocked everyone out cold, he's obviously a feather duster man.

TheLeprechaun wrote:Savon would be undisputed champ if he turned pro by now. Although there is always the danger of him putting on 50 pounds like some other Cubans once they get a taste of Western life.

Why exactly do Cuba ban fighters from turning pro but allow them to travel the world and fight amateur? They seem to be the only country that does this? It's not like they are anti-boxing since they are actively engaging in amateur boxing.

Is it religious or something? Makes no sense.

All salary is, or should be equal, it doesn't matter if you're a doctor or a farmer. You worked 5 hours, so you receive 5 times a few bucks. This absolutely makes no sense, because no matter how skilled or educated you are, you won't be able to make more money as any random idiot this way. If you become a pro boxer you stop following the law, so you will have to leave the country secretly, or end up in prison, or give everything you won to the state, in other words, become an amateur again.

Dixonian wrote:

stevedoc wrote:

Dixonian wrote:
Yep you do wonder about people's eyesight sometimes!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0uvGe0AhNI


here's AJ KO reel seems like a lot of stoppages to me ...you should check your own eyesight sonny jim

Sorry you're right. Because he hasn't knocked everyone out cold, he's obviously a feather duster man.

maybe you should read what i wrote first before gobbing off i said he doesn't KO people and he doesn't the ref jumps in while they are upright or rise at 10 .as you said i do wonder about some peoples(you) eyesight

asdfjkl wrote:If you really think that, call me one heavyweight in the entire history who's supposed to have a chance against him. I can't name any.

You ask for one heavyweight that has a CHANCE and then I say ALL the ones calling him out as they do have a chance duh.

foxdog1923 wrote: All the ones calling him out including Wlad whos sparred him and now wants him next after Fury.

Do you FINALLY understand now? You asked for heavyweights that have a chance and I said all the ones calling him out.

Yes you look stupid AGAIN.

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:If you really think that, call me one heavyweight in the entire history who's supposed to have a chance against him. I can't name any.

You ask for one heavyweight that has a CHANCE and then I say ALL the ones calling him out as they do have a chance duh.

foxdog1923 wrote: All the ones calling him out including Wlad whos sparred him and now wants him next after Fury.

Do you FINALLY understand now? You asked for heavyweights that have a chance and I said all the ones calling him out.

Yes you look stupid AGAIN.

Actually, I asked it to TheLeprechaun, the reason for that was that he probably does understand what's going on in this world a bit better as you do. He actually also stated that the entire division looks bad at this moment. That's why I asked for any heavyweight in the entire history (not sure if you ignored that part on purpose or just out of stupidity). Now Wlad isn't history yet, but whatever, I'll accept your answer anyway... Hmmmm..... No, Wlad doesn't have much of a chance. Joshua is stronger as Sanders, in better shape as any heavyweight I know of, even Wlad himself called him the greatest talent he has seen in over 20 years. I wouldn't even be surprised, that if Wlad wins against Fury, he will less or more hand his name and prises over to Joshua and retire. Then you can see it for yourself.

Oh and ask yourself again please, who's the one here looking stupit? Lol

asdfjkl wrote:that if Wlad wins against Fury, he will less or more [/b]hand[/b] his name and prises over to Joshua and retire. Then you can see it for yourself.

Oh and ask yourself again please, who's the one here looking stupit? Lol

Stupid is spelt with a 'd' at the end stupid lol.

Underneath is an article link that will prove you wrong AGAIN. You make me look good and you look stupid boy.

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... tyson-fury

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:that if Wlad wins against Fury, he will less or more [/b]hand[/b] his name and prises over to Joshua and retire. Then you can see it for yourself.

Oh and ask yourself again please, who's the one here looking stupit? Lol

Stupid is spelt with a 'd' at the end stupid lol.

Underneath is an article link that will prove you wrong AGAIN. You make me look good and you look stupid boy.

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... tyson-fury

In what way does that article prove me wrong?

asdfjkl wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:that if Wlad wins against Fury, he will less or more hand his name and prises over to Joshua and retire. Then you can see it for yourself.

Oh and ask yourself again please, who's the one here looking stupit? Lol

Stupid is spelt with a 'd' at the end stupid lol.

Underneath is an article link that will prove you wrong AGAIN. You make me look good and you look stupid boy.

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... tyson-fury

In what way does that article prove me wrong?

Lol read our traded posts, you can read English can't you? Everyone else can understand it.

It says Wlad wants to FIGHT Joshua next after Fury.

You said after the Fury fight, Klitschko will "hand" his prizes (that's how you spell 'prizes' in English which you struggle with lol) over to Joshua. That's what you said and think, I just proved you wrong by giving you an article of what KLITSCHKO thinks.

You're tooooo easy but I LOVE IT cos I keep knocking you out

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote: Stupid is spelt with a 'd' at the end stupid lol.

Underneath is an article link that will prove you wrong AGAIN. You make me look good and you look stupid boy.

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... tyson-fury

In what way does that article prove me wrong?

Lol read our traded posts, you can read English can't you? Everyone else can understand it.

It says Wlad wants to FIGHT Joshua next after Fury.

You said after the Fury fight, Klitschko will "hand" his prizes (that's how you spell 'prizes' in English which you struggle with lol) over to Joshua. That's what you said and think, I just proved you wrong by giving you an article of what KLITSCHKO thinks.

You're tooooo easy but I LOVE IT cos I keep knocking you out

That hand over will happen with a fight ofcourse lol what did you expect? That he just gives it? Loool

I've never ever in my life been in any country in the world with English as a main language, somehow if I wrote it in Dutch you probably wouldn't understand a word of it.

asdfjkl wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: In what way does that article prove me wrong?

Lol read our traded posts, you can read English can't you? Everyone else can understand it.

It says Wlad wants to FIGHT Joshua next after Fury.

You said after the Fury fight, Klitschko will "hand" his prizes (that's how you spell 'prizes' in English which you struggle with lol) over to Joshua. That's what you said and think, I just proved you wrong by giving you an article of what KLITSCHKO thinks.

You're tooooo easy but I LOVE IT cos I keep knocking you out

That hand over will happen with a fight ofcourse lol what did you expect? That he just gives it? Loool

I've never ever in my life been in any country in the world with English as a main language, somehow if I wrote it in Dutch you probably wouldn't understand a word of it.

Ahh maybe because Im not Dutch you DORK!!

Whatta DORK LOL.

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote: Lol read our traded posts, you can read English can't you? Everyone else can understand it.

It says Wlad wants to FIGHT Joshua next after Fury.

You said after the Fury fight, Klitschko will "hand" his prizes (that's how you spell 'prizes' in English which you struggle with lol) over to Joshua. That's what you said and think, I just proved you wrong by giving you an article of what KLITSCHKO thinks.

You're tooooo easy but I LOVE IT cos I keep knocking you out

That hand over will happen with a fight ofcourse lol what did you expect? That he just gives it? Loool

I've never ever in my life been in any country in the world with English as a main language, somehow if I wrote it in Dutch you probably wouldn't understand a word of it.

Ahh maybe because Im not Dutch you DORK!!

Whatta DORK LOL.

Neither am I English, but I do understand most of the English words... You're just continually say a bunch of common facts and then you act like I didn't know them, even if I managed to prove I allready knew it.

stevedoc wrote:
maybe you should read what i wrote first before gobbing off i said he doesn't KO people and he doesn't the ref jumps in while they are upright or rise at 10

Refs probably step in MORE when bigger punchers are teeing off, not less, to lower the risk of some guy planted face down needing oxygen. That would happen in most Joshua fights if the ref had let it go on a few more seconds, which you would probably be in favour of from the sound of it.

stevedoc wrote:

Dixonian wrote:

stevedoc wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0uvGe0AhNI


here's AJ KO reel seems like a lot of stoppages to me ...you should check your own eyesight sonny jim

Sorry you're right. Because he hasn't knocked everyone out cold, he's obviously a feather duster man.

maybe you should read what i wrote first before gobbing off i said he doesn't KO people and he doesn't the ref jumps in while they are upright or rise at 10 .as you said i do wonder about some peoples(you) eyesight

I don't mean to sound gobby. But I struggle to grasp how you can be concerned about Joshua's punching power. Other things may be an issue: ringcraft, defence, variety of punching, stamina etc. But power, size and speed are the three key attributes that make him such a force to be reckoned with.

Terrible? No, but he is a knockout waiting to happen.

Dixonian wrote:

stevedoc wrote:

Dixonian wrote:
Sorry you're right. Because he hasn't knocked everyone out cold, he's obviously a feather duster man.

maybe you should read what i wrote first before gobbing off i said he doesn't KO people and he doesn't the ref jumps in while they are upright or rise at 10 .as you said i do wonder about some peoples(you) eyesight

I don't mean to sound gobby. But I struggle to grasp how you can be concerned about Joshua's punching power. Other things may be an issue: ringcraft, defence, variety of punching, stamina etc. But power, size and speed are the three key attributes that make him such a force to be reckoned with.

i never said he wasn't a powerful puncher or a good fighter all i said at the start of this was that he reminds me of bruno who was KOing everyone till he got to world level ,bruno floored everyone he fought other than the 5 fighters that held world titles his power flattered to deceive he never hurt witherspoon ,lewis,mccall or smith he wobbled tyson ,loads of fighters have looked like massive punchers till they step up nigel benn for one or even nicky piper i myself don't think AJ has foreman style power or even the one shot power of lennox or wlad there's no doubt AJ can dig i'm just saying the real big punchers take the other guys out like what canelo did to khan or jackson to graham

stevedoc wrote:

Dixonian wrote:

stevedoc wrote:

maybe you should read what i wrote first before gobbing off i said he doesn't KO people and he doesn't the ref jumps in while they are upright or rise at 10 .as you said i do wonder about some peoples(you) eyesight

I don't mean to sound gobby. But I struggle to grasp how you can be concerned about Joshua's punching power. Other things may be an issue: ringcraft, defence, variety of punching, stamina etc. But power, size and speed are the three key attributes that make him such a force to be reckoned with.

i never said he wasn't a powerful puncher or a good fighter all i said at the start of this was that he reminds me of bruno who was KOing everyone till he got to world level ,bruno floored everyone he fought other than the 5 fighters that held world titles his power flattered to deceive he never hurt witherspoon ,lewis,mccall or smith he wobbled tyson ,loads of fighters have looked like massive punchers till they step up nigel benn for one or even nicky piper i myself don't think AJ has foreman style power or even the one shot power of lennox or wlad there's no doubt AJ can dig i'm just saying the real big punchers take the other guys out like what canelo did to khan or jackson to graham

For me the issue is that punching power is all well and good but if you're up against a skilful and smart fighter; it ain't going to be enough to get the job done. Bruno did have power, but these higher tier fighters could see his punches coming and manage the threat.

At the highest level, power is futile without guile.

I can't be bothered going through all the posts again, but whoever said he was a bigger hitter than Sanders is very wrong. Sanders was a superb one punch hitter.

Joshua terrible..why?

17 Fights..17 knockouts....it's not his failure when oppentments taste his punches and wobbles through the ring.

He can wake up every morning and send big thanks to his parents, who gave him good genetic start up package for boxing.

For me it's too early...only 17 Fights....i will see more 5 Star Fights with him.
But he is young 26 years..he had time.

I don't think anyone can say Joshua is terrible or that he's not, at the very least, a very solid puncher.

But there are holes. The only guy to give him a genuine fight was Dillian Whyte, who had one arm for much of the fight, and is at this stage no more than British standard.

The Charles Martin fight was actually a decent result, even if Martin is hardly a world beater.

But Joshua seems very open to the jab, Breazeale with his molasses slow basic jab, even outjabbed him and bloodied his nose. Cornish outjabbed him (for half a round )

It is for this reason that I think a motivated Fury or Klitschko would beat him now. Of course Joshua has the power to take them out, but I believe they would box clever, safety fights and bust him up with the jab.

Dixonian wrote:

stevedoc wrote:

Dixonian wrote:
I don't mean to sound gobby. But I struggle to grasp how you can be concerned about Joshua's punching power. Other things may be an issue: ringcraft, defence, variety of punching, stamina etc. But power, size and speed are the three key attributes that make him such a force to be reckoned with.

i never said he wasn't a powerful puncher or a good fighter all i said at the start of this was that he reminds me of bruno who was KOing everyone till he got to world level ,bruno floored everyone he fought other than the 5 fighters that held world titles his power flattered to deceive he never hurt witherspoon ,lewis,mccall or smith he wobbled tyson ,loads of fighters have looked like massive punchers till they step up nigel benn for one or even nicky piper i myself don't think AJ has foreman style power or even the one shot power of lennox or wlad there's no doubt AJ can dig i'm just saying the real big punchers take the other guys out like what canelo did to khan or jackson to graham

For me the issue is that punching power is all well and good but if you're up against a skilful and smart fighter; it ain't going to be enough to get the job done. Bruno did have power, but these higher tier fighters could see his punches coming and manage the threat.

At the highest level, power is futile without guile.

To be fair, I'd say Joshua is more fluid than Frank. Frank was stiff as hell, and so predictable with his work, it was always the same pattern, plus he was about as mobile as an anchor.

I think Joshua has better tools than Frank, except he doesn't have as good a jab.

reggaereggae wrote:I don't think anyone can say Joshua is terrible or that he's not, at the very least, a very solid puncher.

But there are holes. The only guy to give him a genuine fight was Dillian Whyte, who had one arm for much of the fight, and is at this stage no more than British standard.

The Charles Martin fight was actually a decent result, even if Martin is hardly a world beater.

But Joshua seems very open to the jab, Breazeale with his molasses slow basic jab, even outjabbed him and bloodied his nose. Cornish outjabbed him (for half a round )

It is for this reason that I think a motivated Fury or Klitschko would beat him now. Of course Joshua has the power to take them out, but I believe they would box clever, safety fights and bust him up with the jab.

I agree that WK or Fury would beat him , thats not to say i don't enjoy watching AJ as i do , but after seeing Fury with his mobility against WK i can't help but think he would similarly same job to AJ ,does AJ do anything better at this stage than WK does?
2nd i think at this stage even WK would know to much for AJ .
I might get shot down for this but i recon Ortiz is the hardest contender fight for any of the top ten and that even goes for our guy big Tyson

CiganoBoxer wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:I don't think anyone can say Joshua is terrible or that he's not, at the very least, a very solid puncher.

But there are holes. The only guy to give him a genuine fight was Dillian Whyte, who had one arm for much of the fight, and is at this stage no more than British standard.

The Charles Martin fight was actually a decent result, even if Martin is hardly a world beater.

But Joshua seems very open to the jab, Breazeale with his molasses slow basic jab, even outjabbed him and bloodied his nose. Cornish outjabbed him (for half a round )

It is for this reason that I think a motivated Fury or Klitschko would beat him now. Of course Joshua has the power to take them out, but I believe they would box clever, safety fights and bust him up with the jab.

I agree that WK or Fury would beat him , thats not to say i don't enjoy watching AJ as i do , but after seeing Fury with his mobility against WK i can't help but think he would similarly same job to AJ ,does AJ do anything better at this stage than WK does?
2nd i think at this stage even WK would know to much for AJ .
I might get shot down for this but i recon Ortiz is the hardest contender fight for any of the top ten and that even goes for our guy big Tyson

Ortiz looks to have the tools to beat anybody on paper, but sadly, I think he's likely to get frozen out, and by the time he get's a sniff of a title shot, he'll either be too old, or he'll have lost his hunger. Only seen a few of his fights, but he looks the absolute mustard, big, mobile, fast, and hard hitting and a good defence too. Would love to see him rip Wilder to shreds.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:I don't think anyone can say Joshua is terrible or that he's not, at the very least, a very solid puncher.

But there are holes. The only guy to give him a genuine fight was Dillian Whyte, who had one arm for much of the fight, and is at this stage no more than British standard.

The Charles Martin fight was actually a decent result, even if Martin is hardly a world beater.

But Joshua seems very open to the jab, Breazeale with his molasses slow basic jab, even outjabbed him and bloodied his nose. Cornish outjabbed him (for half a round )

It is for this reason that I think a motivated Fury or Klitschko would beat him now. Of course Joshua has the power to take them out, but I believe they would box clever, safety fights and bust him up with the jab.

I agree that WK or Fury would beat him , thats not to say i don't enjoy watching AJ as i do , but after seeing Fury with his mobility against WK i can't help but think he would similarly same job to AJ ,does AJ do anything better at this stage than WK does?
2nd i think at this stage even WK would know to much for AJ .
I might get shot down for this but i recon Ortiz is the hardest contender fight for any of the top ten and that even goes for our guy big Tyson

Ortiz looks to have the tools to beat anybody on paper, but sadly, I think he's likely to get frozen out, and by the time he get's a sniff of a title shot, he'll either be too old, or he'll have lost his hunger. Only seen a few of his fights, but he looks the absolute mustard, big, mobile, fast, and hard hitting and a good defence too. Would love to see him rip Wilder to shreds.

I think he would mullar wilder , could you imagine the shape he would be if Ortiz landed
Wilder has legs that belong hanging out of a nest

CiganoBoxer wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote:I agree that WK or Fury would beat him , thats not to say i don't enjoy watching AJ as i do , but after seeing Fury with his mobility against WK i can't help but think he would similarly same job to AJ ,does AJ do anything better at this stage than WK does?
2nd i think at this stage even WK would know to much for AJ .
I might get shot down for this but i recon Ortiz is the hardest contender fight for any of the top ten and that even goes for our guy big Tyson

Ortiz looks to have the tools to beat anybody on paper, but sadly, I think he's likely to get frozen out, and by the time he get's a sniff of a title shot, he'll either be too old, or he'll have lost his hunger. Only seen a few of his fights, but he looks the absolute mustard, big, mobile, fast, and hard hitting and a good defence too. Would love to see him rip Wilder to shreds.

I think he would mullar wilder , could you imagine the shape he would be if Ortiz landed
Wilder has legs that belong hanging out of a nest

too true, Sue Pollard springs to mind.

Wilder would walk right onto one of those shots too, Wilder's going to get annihilated by the first big hitter he faces. His team know it too.

JESUS...I am glad I trawled through three pages of internet warriors slagging each other off and calling an Olympic champ who now holds a version of the world title and is top 5 minimum in the heavies in everyone''s books by the age of 26, TERRIBLE... quite extraordinary work by some of you here in proving your lack of brain cells and missing any irony in your own self-evaluation. Bravo.

Having said that nice to see the reliable posters keeping it real!