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vidal wrote:There's only one winner here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_-C4Sk6EHw

That is horrible. Those punches couldn't even KO a kid.

man wrote:

x2x wrote:David Haye's first comeback fight vs di Mori. What do you think? To me di Mori looked like he was playing the sparring partner. Mostly he just stood there like a big punching bag. He threw a couple of jabs that didn't even come close and a couple of looping hooks telegraphed a mile. It was the guy's big chance. You'd think he would have given it all he had and gone for broke, no? Di Mori's record was 30-1-2 with 26 KO's and he hadn't lost in 25 fights. Nope, I don't buy it.




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=glcXVsBZNDw

no fake and no shame being outclassed
by a superior world class opponent in a
comeback fight.

Mark de Mori was chosen because of his odd stats, which make him look like a somebody on a first watch on his statistics.

Miljan Rovcanin, Fabio Maldonado (24 fights, 23 KO's and one disqualification) and name them are similar.
Stunning numbers at first sight, but really nothing special.

Boban Filipovic, also such a name, 21-0 with 19 KO's and active last week, nobody even mentioned it.

Probably easy to bribe, will be amazed to have 20k people of crowd.

This also the reason why Haye is so scared of Shannon Briggs.

asdfjkl wrote: Mark de Mori was chosen because of his odd stats, which make him look like a somebody on a first watch on his statistics.

Miljan Rovcanin, Fabio Maldonado (24 fights, 23 KO's and one disqualification) and name them are similar.
Stunning numbers at first sight, but really nothing special.

Boban Filipovic, also such a name, 21-0 with 19 KO's and active last week, nobody even mentioned it.

Probably easy to bribe, will be amazed to have 20k people of crowd.

This also the reason why Haye is so scared of Shannon Briggs.

Is he scared of Briggs? I thought they were supposed to fight in September. September is a few days away. I haven't heard anything lately. Those two fake fights weren't much in the way of preparation.

asdfjkl wrote:

man wrote:

x2x wrote:David Haye's first comeback fight vs di Mori. What do you think? To me di Mori looked like he was playing the sparring partner. Mostly he just stood there like a big punching bag. He threw a couple of jabs that didn't even come close and a couple of looping hooks telegraphed a mile. It was the guy's big chance. You'd think he would have given it all he had and gone for broke, no? Di Mori's record was 30-1-2 with 26 KO's and he hadn't lost in 25 fights. Nope, I don't buy it.




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=glcXVsBZNDw

no fake and no shame being outclassed
by a superior world class opponent in a
comeback fight.

Mark de Mori was chosen because of his odd stats, which make him look like a somebody on a first watch on his statistics.

Correct, and there's no chance he took a dive. de Mori is just a slow, limited guy who padded his record and Haye had little trouble destroying.

"Correct, and there's no chance he took a dive"

Correction: There's EVERY chance he took a dive.

De Mori was himself hoping for a title shot!

"Perth heavyweight Mark de Mori wins again, eyes world title shot"

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/pert ... 22ow0.html

And then in his big chance he did nothing except pretend to throw a few totally ineffectual punches and basically he just stood there like a heavy punching bag waiting to get knocked down. He looked like a sparring partner more than a fighter. Even if you took some golden glove amateur fighter and gave him the chance of a lifetime to make it big like that at least he'd try. De Mori didn't try. He was paid to get knocked out. That's the way i see it.

x2x wrote:"Correct, and there's no chance he took a dive"

Correction: There's EVERY chance he took a dive.

De Mori was himself hoping for a title shot!

"Perth heavyweight Mark de Mori wins again, eyes world title shot"

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/pert ... 22ow0.html

And then in his big chance he did nothing except pretend to throw a few totally ineffectual punches and basically he just stood there like a heavy punching bag waiting to get knocked down. He looked like a sparring partner more than a fighter. Even if you took some golden glove amateur fighter and gave him the chance of a lifetime to make it big like that at least he'd try. De Mori didn't try. He was paid to get knocked out. That's the way i see it.

But not the way I see it

Like a Boss wrote: But not the way I see it

Gotcha. If we all agreed about everything there would be nothing to talk about on here!

x2x wrote:

Badhusker wrote:
You can't see the hook to the temple? Apparently you haven't even been punched. A hit like that from a guy that hits as hard as Wilder can definitely throw off your equilibrium.

Nah, it was a little slap. You don't KO fighters with a slap. Threw him off his equilibrium? OK that might make some sense if it was followed up with a hard right or something, but it wasn't!

Have you ever been hit by a Heavyweight slugger who weighs 220 plus pounds ?

scallum2015 wrote: Have you ever been hit by a Heavyweight slugger who weighs 220 plus pounds ?

Yeah. We've been through this already. Anyway, in the case of De Mori - as opposed to Haye's next fake fight opponent - I didn't say he wasn't legitimately hit, I said he wasn't trying to hit back. Try to follow the Wrestlemania program

x2x wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:
Haye-Gjergjaj was NOT fixed. Your undefeated fighter got EXPOSED. I've been there myself. We all have to deal with it when we want an undefeated guy to win and he gets his butt kicked.

Gyerg was not "my" undefeated fighter. How was he "my" fighter? I never heard of him before. Look at that nonsense at the end of round one! Give me a break. Compare the real punches that Bakhtov was winging at him with the nonsense from Haye - and the idiot announcers shilling it up to the max with their hysterical shrieks of "thunderous blows". The announcers are reading from a script that has almost nothing to do with what's going on - "thunderous punches" - "Gyerg is complaining about blows to the back of his head"...All I see is Gyerg doing his silly sliding down to the floor thing. I don't see him complaining about anything. Puh-leeze. This isn't real. This is Wrestlemania material.

What nonsense at the end of round one? This is just a simple case of an undefeated HW who moves up and can't take a certain level of punch. It's like Duane Bobick or Michael Grant. Just like this guy they were undefeated against a certain level of opposition. I'm not a Haye fan at all but he can punch and those were good punches. "Thunderous?" Maybe not exactly, but announcers like to have a bit of fun.

Tony1244 wrote:
What nonsense at the end of round one?

The sliding down the ring ropes thing from some looping right that landed not very hard behind his head.

This is just a simple case of an undefeated HW who moves up and can't take a certain level of punch. It's like Duane Bobick or Michael Grant. Just like this guy they were undefeated against a certain level of opposition. I'm not a Haye fan at all but he can punch and those were good punches. "Thunderous?" Maybe not exactly, but announcers like to have a bit of fun.

Those announcers were being paid to shill it up for the house fighter. Boxing announcers used to be much better, simply announcing what was going on in the ring.

What about that knockdown in round two from an ordinary jab, with 2:42 left? What was that supposed to be about? Does Haye suddenly have superhuman powers? Again, look at all the punishment Gyerg was able to easily withstand when Bakhtov was laying into him on the ropes. Those were real punches.

x2x wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:
What nonsense at the end of round one?

The sliding down the ring ropes thing from some looping right that landed not very hard behind his head.

This is just a simple case of an undefeated HW who moves up and can't take a certain level of punch. It's like Duane Bobick or Michael Grant. Just like this guy they were undefeated against a certain level of opposition. I'm not a Haye fan at all but he can punch and those were good punches. "Thunderous?" Maybe not exactly, but announcers like to have a bit of fun.

Those announcers were being paid to shill it up for the house fighter. Boxing announcers used to be much better, simply announcing what was going on in the ring.

What about that knockdown in round two from an ordinary jab, with 2:42 left? What was that supposed to be about? Does Haye suddenly have superhuman powers? Again, look at all the punishment Gyerg was able to easily withstand when Bakhtov was laying into him on the ropes. Those were real punches.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. If I may paraphrase you, "we have to have something to argue about." Haye has annoyed me since his ridiculous "efforts" against Klitschko and Valuev. His toe excuse and long layoffs iced the cake for me. So I want to make that all clear before being called a fanboy.

Haye is a very good puncher with fast hands. As Sean O'Grady says, "speed is power," and there is a lot of truth in that. An excellent fighter can knock down a mediocre fighter with a jab. Holmes did it to Ocassio.

Haye is an excellent fighter (he has to do MUCH more to be called GREAT by me) knocked out a mediocre fighter with a padded record. Your eye, or my eye, or anyone's eye can't preciously measure the effect of a hard punch watching the tele or even if we watched it live.

If you want to criticize Haye, I think there is a lot more fodder on some of the issues I mentioned than knocking out a guy you're much better than which happens in boxing all the time.

That jab was a bit better than ordinary and at the end of round 1, he looked like he was hit pretty hard on the temple. Bakhotov is a joke compared to Haye.

Tony1244 wrote: We're going to have to agree to disagree. If I may paraphrase you, "we have to have something to argue about." Haye has annoyed me since his ridiculous "efforts" against Klitschko and Valuev. His toe excuse and long layoffs iced the cake for me. So I want to make that all clear before being called a fanboy.

Haye is a very good puncher with fast hands. As Sean O'Grady says, "speed is power," and there is a lot of truth in that. An excellent fighter can knock down a mediocre fighter with a jab. Holmes did it to Ocassio.

Haye is an excellent fighter (he has to do MUCH more to be called GREAT by me) knocked out a mediocre fighter with a padded record. Your eye, or my eye, or anyone's eye can't preciously measure the effect of a hard punch watching the tele or even if we watched it live.

If you want to criticize Haye, I think there is a lot more fodder on some of the issues I mentioned than knocking out a guy you're much better than which happens in boxing all the time.

That jab was a bit better than ordinary and at the end of round 1, he looked like he was hit pretty hard on the temple. Bakhotov is a joke compared to Haye.

I was talking about the jab that allegedly knocked down Gyerg in round two. The thing at the end of rd 1 wasn't a jab. But good post. I like it. And sure I could be wrong too. Haye is fast and powerful, no doubt. We definitely agree about Haye vs Wlad and Valuev (Haye lost both!). Haye seems to have mellowed out since then. Now he's playing the straight man to Chisora and Briggs. Haye had only one single heavyweight fight that impressed me and that was vs Chisora. So then what happened with him fighting Briggs? A couple of months ago they were saying it would be in September. That one should have good entertainment value, in the wrestlemania sense if nothing else - announcers screaming "thunderous rights!", foreign objects in the ring, folding chairs...hey boxers are already wearing masks at weigh ins and at the intros...boxing morphs into wrestling!

Baby Face Finster wrote:

vidal wrote:There's only one winner here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_-C4Sk6EHw

That is horrible. Those punches couldn't even KO a kid.

"He's...he's throwing punches in slow-motion!"

One of my favorite lines from a fight....at least the commentators told it for what it was.

crusader wrote: "He's...he's throwing punches in slow-motion!"

One of my favorite lines from a fight....at least the commentators told it for what it was.

I've seen that one before, tho I tried to put it out of my mind. Jorge Kahwagi looks like he has silicone implants in his chest and shoulders, or maybe he injects steroids right into his body. All of his fights have been fake. He's from a very wealthy family and he has money to spare to pay his opponents to lose. He has a law degree and he's involved with politics and acting too. Very bizarre. Here's another one of his so called fights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPf8EvXWkPQ

x2x wrote:

Tony1244 wrote: We're going to have to agree to disagree. If I may paraphrase you, "we have to have something to argue about." Haye has annoyed me since his ridiculous "efforts" against Klitschko and Valuev. His toe excuse and long layoffs iced the cake for me. So I want to make that all clear before being called a fanboy.

Haye is a very good puncher with fast hands. As Sean O'Grady says, "speed is power," and there is a lot of truth in that. An excellent fighter can knock down a mediocre fighter with a jab. Holmes did it to Ocassio.

Haye is an excellent fighter (he has to do MUCH more to be called GREAT by me) knocked out a mediocre fighter with a padded record. Your eye, or my eye, or anyone's eye can't preciously measure the effect of a hard punch watching the tele or even if we watched it live.

If you want to criticize Haye, I think there is a lot more fodder on some of the issues I mentioned than knocking out a guy you're much better than which happens in boxing all the time.

That jab was a bit better than ordinary and at the end of round 1, he looked like he was hit pretty hard on the temple. Bakhotov is a joke compared to Haye.

I was talking about the jab that allegedly knocked down Gyerg in round two. The thing at the end of rd 1 wasn't a jab. But good post. I like it. And sure I could be wrong too. Haye is fast and powerful, no doubt. We definitely agree about Haye vs Wlad and Valuev (Haye lost both!). Haye seems to have mellowed out since then. Now he's playing the straight man to Chisora and Briggs. Haye had only one single heavyweight fight that impressed me and that was vs Chisora. So then what happened with him fighting Briggs? A couple of months ago they were saying it would be in September. That one should have good entertainment value, in the wrestlemania sense if nothing else - announcers screaming "thunderous rights!", foreign objects in the ring, folding chairs...hey boxers are already wearing masks at weigh ins and at the intros...boxing morphs into wrestling!

The Haye-Gjerj fight I thought Haye scored a legitimate knockdown at the end of round one with a good right hand. I won't say thunderous. LOL. The jab knockdown was the 2nd round - I believe. Haye is a good puncher with fast hands and Gjerj is limited and couldn't take the shots. That's my opinion anyway. If Gjerj could have won, he'd have BIG $$$ thrown at him, so I don't see why he'd purposely take a dive.

Agreed, Haye's best victory in the HW division was Chisora. Derek can fight a bit and Haye looked good that night.

Tony1244 wrote: The Haye-Gjerj fight I thought Haye scored a legitimate knockdown at the end of round one with a good right hand. I won't say thunderous. LOL. The jab knockdown was the 2nd round - I believe. Haye is a good puncher with fast hands and Gjerj is limited and couldn't take the shots. That's my opinion anyway. If Gjerj could have won, he'd have BIG $$$ thrown at him, so I don't see why he'd purposely take a dive.

Agreed, Haye's best victory in the HW division was Chisora. Derek can fight a bit and Haye looked good that night.

I don't know if u watched this before. Start at 1:39. It shows Gyerg's fight with Bakhtov. It looks like he can take punches pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD63RBYGJNk

As to your last question, if the guy was contracted to take a dive by the mugs who run boxing, and then he double crossed them, they might become slightly annoyed.

Can't leave off this classic - Mickey Rourke's sensational second round KO of promising young panhandler Eric Seymour!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyfGGxFXRCk

Not boxing, but my trainer, ex-pro boxer Aaron 'Azi' Thomas fighting in pro MMA fight in UK. Catches opponent with illegal upkick, opponent turns to ref and says something then closes his eyes and (for me) fakes a KO leaving ref no option but to give him win by DQ

This went viral with UFC fighters like BJ Penn tweeting the clip asking for fans opinion. Did he fake it?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y_QOtFLpN8

This was a corker too. Danny Williams heavyweight bout, away from home, against Konstantin. If you have time watch the whole 7 rounds. You won't find a more shockingly corrupt fight. Seriously. As a taster here's round 6. Watch top of screen by timekeepers table, Williams scores a knockdown so Konstantin promoter steps forward to just behind timekeepers table and rings the bell with 1:41 left in the round!!

Ref hears the bell and calls an end to the round!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e_W04Lx5m4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADbnYQJg7w


Walcott was the referee, the worst referee in history, and that is saying a lot. When Liston fell down Ali refused to go to a neutral corner and instead cavorted over the fallen Liston. He should have been disqualified for that. After about twenty seconds or so Liston got up and the fight resumed. Then Nat Fleischer from Ring magazine who was at ringside yelled out that the fight is over so Walcott ended it.

They interviewed people on the way out of the arena. They couldn't find a single one who thought that the knockdown punch or the fight was real. Nobody else thought it was real either.

Liston's contract was owned by the Mafia, Blinky Palermo and Frankie Carbo to be specific. Their specialty was fixing fights.

Possibly 90% of the fights you've seen.

From “Phantom Punch” By Paul Gallender:


"Until now, the reason why Liston threw that fight has been boxing’s greatest unsolved mystery. In truth, it was an act of courage. Sonny swallowed his immense pride and chose life over death. Not for himself, but for his family.

Las Vegas casino executive Ash Resnick was in Lewiston with his wife Marilyn. The Resnicks were dear friends of Sonny and his wife Geraldine and Joe and Martha Louis. When Marilyn was unable to contact Geraldine on the day of the fight, she told Martha she was worried. “Don’t you know why you haven’t seen her, Marilyn?” said Joe’s wife. “It’s the Black Muslims. They have her and the boy. Sonny won’t see them again if he doesn’t lie down.”

Ali would never have approved of any of this had he known about it, though it’s unlikely he could have prevented it. It’s possible that mobsters knew about the kidnapping or that they co-conspired with the Muslims. The mob would have done it to win money on the fight; the Muslims would have done it to make sure Ali could not possibly lose his title. People have long since forgotten that Liston was still the betting favorite.

After the fight, Ali claimed the blow was Jack Johnson’s secret anchor punch that actor Stepin Fetchit had taught him. “It’s a chop, so fast you can’t see it,” he said. “It’s karate. It’s got a twist to it. Just one does the job.” Of course, if it was such a devastating punch, you have to wonder why Ali never used it again.

The FBI instituted “discreet inquiries of highly confidential sources” in several large cities to determine if the bout had been fixed. However, J. Edgar Hoover never let his operatives interview Liston. Even if they had, Sonny wouldn’t have told them the truth. He wouldn’t even tell his family the truth.

Apart from trainer Johnny Tocco and former champ Emile Griffith, Liston may not have told anyone else what really happened that night. “Oh my poor Sonny,” said Emile. “He had no choice but to lose. He told me later he was gonna show that fight was fixed by taking the worst dive of all-time.” If you watch the film of that fight, you’ll see that Sonny did just that."







My own note re "Ali would never have approved of any of this had he known about it" . Yeah right, that's why he didn't say something like "i don't know what the hell happened", but instead made up the thing about his secret karate punch.

x2x wrote:Can't leave off this classic - Mickey Rourke's sensational second round KO of promising young panhandler Eric Seymour!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyfGGxFXRCk

What's Rourke wearing on his arm?