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David Haye Always pulling out of fights and always fighting bums. I also do not think he won the heavyweight title (threw one good punch and ran for 11 rounds)

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Danny is infected with FMJ disease.

Danny still has a long ass way to go before he's reached Mayweather status. When Mayweather was being selective with his opponents he was the biggest star in the sport, and they were rarely as undeserving of such a big opportunity as Molina is here. No offense to Molina who I like, but this is a mismatch and we all know it.

I am not speaking of FMJ status. I am talking about FMJ disease; acute obsession with the number 0.

Do you really think that? He never shied away from fighting top guys before. The PBC is broke as fornicate. Almost all of their fighters are in this position. Look at Lara's fights in and around their most stacked division.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Danny still has a long ass way to go before he's reached Mayweather status. When Mayweather was being selective with his opponents he was the biggest star in the sport, and they were rarely as undeserving of such a big opportunity as Molina is here. No offense to Molina who I like, but this is a mismatch and we all know it.

I am not speaking of FMJ status. I am talking about FMJ disease; acute obsession with the number 0.

Do you really think that? He never shied away from fighting top guys before. The PBC is broke as eff. Almost all of their fighters are in this position. Look at Lara's fights in and around their most stacked division.

They're broke because they paid Big Fight money for mismatches, and the PBC fighters under contract signed up for just that. Big money, easy work.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tanzio wrote: I am not speaking of FMJ status. I am talking about FMJ disease; acute obsession with the number 0.

Do you really think that? He never shied away from fighting top guys before. The PBC is broke as eff. Almost all of their fighters are in this position. Look at Lara's fights in and around their most stacked division.

They're broke because they paid Big Fight money for mismatches, and the PBC fighters under contract signed up for just that. Big money, easy work.

Agreed, nobody to blame, I'm just not willing to say individual fighters are not willing to challenge themselves when the whole organization is entirely stagnant and producing nothing.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Do you really think that? He never shied away from fighting top guys before. The PBC is broke as eff. Almost all of their fighters are in this position. Look at Lara's fights in and around their most stacked division.

They're broke because they paid Big Fight money for mismatches, and the PBC fighters under contract signed up for just that. Big money, easy work.

Agreed, nobody to blame, I'm just not willing to say individual fighters are not willing to challenge themselves when the whole organization is entirely stagnant and producing nothing.

I'd say everybody involved is kinda to blame. PBC is the Pussified Boxing Corporation. On the plus side, it won't last too much longer before it's bitten the dust, and the image of how badly it failed and why may end up making the sport better overall...I can't wait for it to cease to exist or at least concede that it can't survive without big fights and working with other promoters.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
They're broke because they paid Big Fight money for mismatches, and the PBC fighters under contract signed up for just that. Big money, easy work.

Agreed, nobody to blame, I'm just not willing to say individual fighters are not willing to challenge themselves when the whole organization is entirely stagnant and producing nothing.

I'd say everybody involved is kinda to blame. PBC is the Pussified Boxing Corporation. On the plus side, it won't last too much longer before it's bitten the dust, and the image of how badly it failed and why may end up making the sport better overall...I can't wait for it to cease to exist or at least concede that it can't survive without big fights and working with other promoters.

They can't make big fights regularly, no money.

crusader wrote:Broner seems almost universally despised

True.

Like a Boss wrote:

crusader wrote:Broner seems almost universally despised

True.

"I pitty the fool."

The past few years, it's either Broner or Wlad... But, within the past few months I've noticed a whole lot of disgust for Canelo.

Some guys who draw the most negative comments are:

Amir Khan... Tyson Fury... Shannon Briggs... Devon Alexander... Victor Ortiz... Lamont Peterson... Adrien Broner... Anthony Dirrell... Brandon Rios... Nathan Cleverly... Wladimir Klitschko... Manny Pacquiao... Guillermo Rigondeaux... Antonio Tarver... Roy Jones Jr... Bernard Hopkins... Adonis Chickenson... Floyd Mayweather was the most hated boxer when he was active, but he orchestrated that to make himself a huge drawing card.

Well liked boxers include: Gennady Golovkin... Anthony Joshua... Terence Crawford... Errol Spence... Gary Russell... Vasyl Lomachenko... Oleksandr Usyk... Nonito Donaire... and Keith Thurman... They have fan friendly styles and can talk, except Usyk. I never heard him speak English.

It helps if you make an honest effort, arrive in shape and ready to fight, don't clinch and run a lot, and can hold your own in an interview... The worst clincher and wrestlers are Khan, Wladimir, and Broner.. The biggest mouths with the dumbest comments are Khan, Chickenson, Fury, Pacquiao, Dirrell, Rios, Briggs, VO, and Tarver.. Pacquiao lost almost all of his sponsors because of his big fat mouth.

Guys who refuse to learn English, like Rigondeaux, Luis Ortiz, Erislandy Lara, and Egidijus Kavaliauskas don't help themselves a whole lot... You still have to do everything possible to connect with American fans... The day is coming when you can stay in Europe and be a worldwide phenomenon, but that day is a ways off ,,, You'll need the American stamp of approval for the next 10 years at least. In the 50's Middleweights Lazlo Papp and Gustav Scholz couldn't get anything going over here.. Nobody ever heard of them.. That's when the National Boxing Association and Jim Norris had a strangle hold on the sport and the European scene wasn't followed.. Schmeling, Carnera, Benvenuti, and Johansson all learned English and made very good money with a little media savvy and very little talent ... Rigondeaux is one of the greatest boxers ever and he's dying on the vine.

Kalan wrote:Some guys who draw the most negative comments are:

Amir Khan... Tyson Fury... Shannon Briggs... Devon Alexander... Victor Ortiz... Lamont Peterson... Adrien Broner... Anthony Dirrell... Brandon Rios... Nathan Cleverly... Wladimir Klitschko... Manny Pacquiao... Guillermo Rigondeaux... Antonio Tarver... Roy Jones Jr... Bernard Hopkins... Adonis Chickenson... Floyd Mayweather was the most hated boxer when he was active, but he orchestrated that to make himself a huge drawing card.

Well liked boxers include: Gennady Golovkin... Anthony Joshua... Terence Crawford... Errol Spence... Gary Russell... Vasyl Lomachenko... Oleksandr Usyk... Nonito Donaire... and Keith Thurman... They have fan friendly styles and can talk, except Usyk. I never heard him speak English.

It helps if you make an honest effort, arrive in shape and ready to fight, don't clinch and run a lot, and can hold your own in an interview... The worst clincher and wrestlers are Khan, Wladimir, and Broner.. The biggest mouths with the dumbest comments are Khan, Chickenson, Fury, Pacquiao, Dirrell, Rios, Briggs, VO, and Tarver.. Pacquiao lost almost all of his sponsors because of his big fat mouth.

Guys who refuse to learn English, like Rigondeaux, Luis Ortiz, Erislandy Lara, and Egidijus Kavaliauskas don't help themselves a whole lot... You still have to do everything possible to connect with American fans... The day is coming when you can stay in Europe and be a worldwide phenomenon, but that day is a ways off ,,, You'll need the American stamp of approval for the next 10 years at least. In the 50's Middleweights Lazlo Papp and Gustav Scholz couldn't get anything going over here.. Nobody ever heard of them.. That's when the National Boxing Association and Jim Norris had a strangle hold on the sport and the European scene wasn't followed.. Schmeling, Carnera, Benvenuti, and Johansson all learned English and made very good money with a little media savvy and very little talent ... Rigondeaux is one of the greatest boxers ever and he's dying on the vine.

Well summarized!

x2x wrote: "Vegas commish" = Mafia. Same thing. And you'd be better off if you dumped your team of incompetant comedy writers and learned about what's what instead of what's what they told you in Las Vegas. Look at Cotto's face...and poor Irish Billy Collins. That's what plaster of paris on the hand wrappings does when it hardens up. I could tell u about some other cases too. It's a hallowed old tradition in this wonderful sport to load up the gloves. Lots of other fun things too. See my thread, Famous Foney Fights.

- Yes, I must confess and defer to your considerable expertise in the art of becoming plastered. Indeed, the dirty deed goes back to earliest days of bareknucks with a shot of whiskey between rounds of any tough fight >>> to Bum Fights of today.

Now as to wraps, ie "the cast" in trainer lingo, aloha, it's already in a heavier cast form sans plaster with 20 yards of gauze. Now, maybe you have a list of all documented plaster wraps used in fights, but I suspect nyet since it was never a viable method. Those not of the Neanderthal species know to use pliable plastic or metallic tape inserts that conform to the knuckle shape between the gauze to compress less and spread the force, conferring sharper hitting without the abject cloddishness of plaster, but of course explaining the compositions of materials and physics involved to lower order anthropoids is sorta like shaving an ape and teaching him how to use a keyboard, success is limited.

At any rate, regarding poor Collins, he was done in by his dear dumb daddy and the NY commish who failed to inspect the gloves that had padding removed. No plaster was ever found though Resto 20+ years later alleged his wraps were plastered. More than a few think Resto was lying to get in good with the commish and for a doc he likely got paid to further rat out Panama Lewis so he can continue to work corners of local fights. Bottom line, Marg like all the rest of the boxers fought in commish approved wraps, so take it up with the commishes and Cotto's corner who sanctioned Margs wraps. The inserts his trainer planted for the BALCO Shane fight were crumbles sitting on the training table in full view, a clear set up for big players to hedge their bets.A jelly roll insert is also illegal as is a bum pointing a pickle at a bank clerk and demanding money just before cold winter months set in. You could look it up and see the circumstances involved that left Marg not fit to fight, but nah, breathless bloviation like depraved school girls moaning over issues tu no comprehende.

There was an out of town fighter posting on boxrec a few years back who had the same experience as Collins save he didn't die, so the NY Commish could ignore him. No plaster involved though no doubt in your plastered state anything's possible. No need for comedy writers with you and your ilk giving it up for free.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

x2x wrote: "Vegas commish" = Mafia. Same thing. And you'd be better off if you dumped your team of incompetant comedy writers and learned about what's what instead of what's what they told you in Las Vegas. Look at Cotto's face...and poor Irish Billy Collins. That's what plaster of paris on the hand wrappings does when it hardens up. I could tell u about some other cases too. It's a hallowed old tradition in this wonderful sport to load up the gloves. Lots of other fun things too. See my thread, Famous Foney Fights.

- Yes, I must confess and defer to your considerable expertise in the art of becoming plastered. Indeed, the dirty deed goes back to earliest days of bareknucks with a shot of whiskey between rounds of any tough fight >>> to Bum Fights of today.

Now as to wraps, ie "the cast" in trainer lingo, aloha, it's already in a heavier cast form sans plaster with 20 yards of gauze. Now, maybe you have a list of all documented plaster wraps used in fights, but I suspect nyet since it was never a viable method. Those not of the Neanderthal species know to use pliable plastic or metallic tape inserts that conform to the knuckle shape between the gauze to compress less and spread the force, conferring sharper hitting without the abject cloddishness of plaster, but of course explaining the compositions of materials and physics involved to lower order anthropoids is sorta like shaving an ape and teaching him how to use a keyboard, success is limited.

At any rate, regarding poor Collins, he was done in by his dear dumb daddy and the NY commish who failed to inspect the gloves that had padding removed. No plaster was ever found though Resto 20+ years later alleged his wraps were plastered. More than a few think Resto was lying to get in good with the commish and for a doc he likely got paid to further rat out Panama Lewis so he can continue to work corners of local fights. Bottom line, Marg like all the rest of the boxers fought in commish approved wraps, so take it up with the commishes and Cotto's corner who sanctioned Margs wraps. The inserts his trainer planted for the BALCO Shane fight were crumbles sitting on the training table in full view, a clear set up for big players to hedge their bets.A jelly roll insert is also illegal as is a bum pointing a pickle at a bank clerk and demanding money just before cold winter months set in. You could look it up and see the circumstances involved that left Marg not fit to fight, but nah, breathless bloviation like depraved school girls moaning over issues tu no comprehende.

There was an out of town fighter posting on boxrec a few years back who had the same experience as Collins save he didn't die, so the NY Commish could ignore him. No plaster involved though no doubt in your plastered state anything's possible. No need for comedy writers with you and your ilk giving it up for free.

Ha ha.

Please, I am Cro Magnon not a dirty neanderthal. We used to throw those ugly bums off the cliff. And you come under my tree, funny guy, and I'll bounce a coconut off your head! Then you can complain to the commish!

Personally I favored the cruder but even more efficient horseshoe in the glove method. It does require distracting the opposition's observers. Giving them free shots of bootleg booze and cleverly tricking them with the old, "Your shoelace is untied" gag usually worked, otherwise Black Jack could help out a bit. And the commish was, of course, always amenable to reasonable $$discussion$$.