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Finn wrote:Disappointed- if he wants to do blow he should have just quit boxing. If he's using and fighting he should be stripped I don't care what the reasons behind it are or weather it enhances performance or it if was used socially. Its on the band substance list, that list is part of the sport and its non negotiable.

And makes an absolute mockery of mental health issues that they tried to smoke screen the truth by faking a serious illness.

I'm not anti people doing a few lines of coke, I'm anti people getting away with abusing the rules of the sport. Lucas Browne got stripped and humiliated for accidentally consuming a banned substance.

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"Cocaine is not prohibited by the WADA code out of competition -- only in competition. The commission should not have been testing for cocaine a month before a fight . And it also should not have released positive result."

peter barlow wrote:

Finn wrote:Disappointed- if he wants to do blow he should have just quit boxing. If he's using and fighting he should be stripped I don't care what the reasons behind it are or weather it enhances performance or it if was used socially. Its on the band substance list, that list is part of the sport and its non negotiable.

And makes an absolute mockery of mental health issues that they tried to smoke screen the truth by faking a serious illness.

I'm not anti people doing a few lines of coke, I'm anti people getting away with abusing the rules of the sport. Lucas Browne got stripped and humiliated for accidentally consuming a banned substance.

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"Cocaine is not prohibited by the WADA code out of competition -- only in competition. The commission should not have been testing for cocaine a month before a fight . And it also should not have released positive result."

But once a fight is announced and they are having press conferences and training, wouldn't that be I'm competition???

peter barlow wrote:

Finn wrote:Disappointed- if he wants to do blow he should have just quit boxing. If he's using and fighting he should be stripped I don't care what the reasons behind it are or weather it enhances performance or it if was used socially. Its on the band substance list, that list is part of the sport and its non negotiable.

And makes an absolute mockery of mental health issues that they tried to smoke screen the truth by faking a serious illness.

I'm not anti people doing a few lines of coke, I'm anti people getting away with abusing the rules of the sport. Lucas Browne got stripped and humiliated for accidentally consuming a banned substance.

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"Cocaine is not prohibited by the WADA code out of competition -- only in competition. The commission should not have been testing for cocaine a month before a fight . And it also should not have released positive result."

It's banned as a stimulant

samwbr wrote:

peter barlow wrote:

Finn wrote:Disappointed- if he wants to do blow he should have just quit boxing. If he's using and fighting he should be stripped I don't care what the reasons behind it are or weather it enhances performance or it if was used socially. Its on the band substance list, that list is part of the sport and its non negotiable.

And makes an absolute mockery of mental health issues that they tried to smoke screen the truth by faking a serious illness.

I'm not anti people doing a few lines of coke, I'm anti people getting away with abusing the rules of the sport. Lucas Browne got stripped and humiliated for accidentally consuming a banned substance.

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"Cocaine is not prohibited by the WADA code out of competition -- only in competition. The commission should not have been testing for cocaine a month before a fight . And it also should not have released positive result."

It's banned as a stimulant [http://list.wada-ama.org/list/s6-stimul ... cainequote]

samwbr wrote:

peter barlow wrote:

Finn wrote:Disappointed- if he wants to do blow he should have just quit boxing. If he's using and fighting he should be stripped I don't care what the reasons behind it are or weather it enhances performance or it if was used socially. Its on the band substance list, that list is part of the sport and its non negotiable.

And makes an absolute mockery of mental health issues that they tried to smoke screen the truth by faking a serious illness.

I'm not anti people doing a few lines of coke, I'm anti people getting away with abusing the rules of the sport. Lucas Browne got stripped and humiliated for accidentally consuming a banned substance.

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"Cocaine is not prohibited by the WADA code out of competition -- only in competition. The commission should not have been testing for cocaine a month before a fight . And it also should not have released positive result."

It's banned as a stimulant

Banned in competition not 1 month plus from the fight. Name another fighter done for coke, not in competition.

peter barlow wrote:

Finn wrote:Disappointed- if he wants to do blow he should have just quit boxing. If he's using and fighting he should be stripped I don't care what the reasons behind it are or weather it enhances performance or it if was used socially. Its on the band substance list, that list is part of the sport and its non negotiable.

And makes an absolute mockery of mental health issues that they tried to smoke screen the truth by faking a serious illness.

I'm not anti people doing a few lines of coke, I'm anti people getting away with abusing the rules of the sport. Lucas Browne got stripped and humiliated for accidentally consuming a banned substance.

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"Cocaine is not prohibited by the WADA code out of competition -- only in competition. The commission should not have been testing for cocaine a month before a fight . And it also should not have released positive result."

I think you're wrong Peter. That is all.

peter barlow wrote:

samwbr wrote:

peter barlow wrote: Incorrect


"Cocaine is not prohibited by the WADA code out of competition -- only in competition. The commission should not have been testing for cocaine a month before a fight . And it also should not have released positive result."

It's banned as a stimulant

Banned in competition not 1 month plus from the fight. Name another fighter done for coke, not in competition.

Which governing body and which testing organisation?

peter barlow wrote:

samwbr wrote:

peter barlow wrote: Incorrect


"Cocaine is not prohibited by the WADA code out of competition -- only in competition. The commission should not have been testing for cocaine a month before a fight . And it also should not have released positive result."

It's banned as a stimulant

Banned in competition not 1 month plus from the fight. Name another fighter done for coke, not in competition.

So boxers are allowed to take drugs as long as it is at least a month before their fight?

Interesting rule, does this apply to all drugs ?

More deflection

Name another fighter done for coke, not in competition.

peter barlow wrote:More deflection

Name another fighter done for coke, not in competition.

You're reaching badly.

How is in camp training for a fight 'not in competition'?

The issue here is that like it or not the world heavyweight champion has to set an example. He has to have the character to carry this off. He can't be making offensive comments, regardless of what he really believes, he cannot take illegal drugs, and can't be seen mixing with criminals, although in Fury's case that's difficult!
If he had adopted the expected lifestyle he could have made as much as Mayweather throughout the years. Now he's in serious danger of ending up in a terrible mess, financially and in terms of his health. Some people simply don't have the personality to cope, nor do they have the wise old head to gently keep them on the right path, someone they can look up to. Sadly I think that's where Fury is.
I also strongly suspect that the Board may have to suspend his licence regardless of what the world organisations do. If that happens he couldn't fight in the UK until he got it back.

Yes, I was a bit shocked to hear Peter Fury (who I think the voice of reason in that camp) insinuate that Fury is not financially secure. Yes at 27, the bigger paydays should be to come - but surely he doesn't have to worry about getting another job if his career ended tomorrow.

The guys just completly stuffed his whole career up ,, has if ticket sales were not bad enough before , Who the hell would pay out good money to see this fella again , at least the mental health issue was a good smoke screen , half the population can relate to it and feel sorry for him .. But this cocaine rubbish , just shows he really could;nt give two fooks about the general public , buying tickets , losing deposits on hotels ect ect ,, It also shows just how good Peter, is at looking all sad and morose , when he looks at the camera and lies .

Well you can't tar everyone with the same brush , just for being travellers , but in the case of this familly , I said it before the apple does'nt fallfar from the tree ,,, Personaly i think Hughie will suffer the back lash has well , can't see people wanting to support this familly in any way shape or form

coneye wrote:The guys just completly stuffed his whole career up ,, has if ticket sales were not bad enough before , Who the hell would pay out good money to see this fella again , at least the mental health issue was a good smoke screen , half the population can relate to it and feel sorry for him .. But this cocaine rubbish , just shows he really could;nt give two fooks about the general public , buying tickets , losing deposits on hotels ect ect ,, It also shows just how good Peter, is at looking all sad and morose , when he looks at the camera and lies .

Well you can't tar everyone with the same brush , just for being travellers , but in the case of this familly , I said it before the apple does'nt fallfar from the tree ,,, Personaly i think Hughie will suffer the back lash has well , can't see people wanting to support this familly in any way shape or form

To be fair though, no one has really said "oh Ricky, your depression was a smoke screen for being caught red handed on the sniff" - Ricky announced his depression after he got caught.

It could very well be a coping mechanism for his mental health issues.

stujones wrote:

coneye wrote:The guys just completly stuffed his whole career up ,, has if ticket sales were not bad enough before , Who the hell would pay out good money to see this fella again , at least the mental health issue was a good smoke screen , half the population can relate to it and feel sorry for him .. But this cocaine rubbish , just shows he really could;nt give two fooks about the general public , buying tickets , losing deposits on hotels ect ect ,, It also shows just how good Peter, is at looking all sad and morose , when he looks at the camera and lies .

Well you can't tar everyone with the same brush , just for being travellers , but in the case of this familly , I said it before the apple does'nt fallfar from the tree ,,, Personaly i think Hughie will suffer the back lash has well , can't see people wanting to support this familly in any way shape or form

To be fair though, no one has really said "oh Ricky, your depression was a smoke screen for being caught red handed on the sniff" - Ricky announced his depression after he got caught.

It could very well be a coping mechanism for his mental health issues.

I agree. Mental health issues and drug taking go hand in hand. I wouldnt be surprised if he was bipolar.

peter barlow wrote:More deflection

Name another fighter done for coke, not in competition.

Ricky Hatton

This reflects really badly on his trainer and the people around him. Why didn't they steer him away from all the controversy and away from temptations like drugs and gobbing off to sycophantic interviewers with ulterior motives

The fact that peter fury is also his uncle makes him doubly culpable. The man is a proven criminal scumbag and clearly hasn't reformed. He should hang his thick head in shame.

CaptainSpacerod wrote: The fact that peter fury is also his uncle makes him doubly culpable. The man is a proven criminal scumbag and clearly hasn't reformed. He should hang his thick head in shame.

Pathetic comment, what makes you think Peter hasn't reformed? A genuinely decent man and boxing trainer, and you're on an internet forum slandering him, probably after a load of pints??! You're a waste of space, who offers nothing.

peter barlow wrote:

CaptainSpacerod wrote: The fact that peter fury is also his uncle makes him doubly culpable. The man is a proven criminal scumbag and clearly hasn't reformed. He should hang his thick head in shame.

Pathetic comment, what makes you think Peter hasn't reformed? A genuinely decent man and boxing trainer, and you're on an internet forum slandering him, probably after a load of pints??! You're a waste of space, who offers nothing.

It isn't slander if it's true Pete

CaptainSpacerod wrote:This reflects really badly on his trainer and the people around him. Why didn't they steer him away from all the controversy and away from temptations like drugs and gobbing off to sycophantic interviewers with ulterior motives

The fact that peter fury is also his uncle makes him doubly culpable. The man is a proven criminal scumbag and clearly hasn't reformed. He should hang his thick head in shame.

Tyson Fury is a grown man and I'm guessing one that can't be easily led, tamed or told what to do.

There is a limit to how much influence his team will have over him or should be expected to have over him.

CaptainSpacerod wrote:

peter barlow wrote:

CaptainSpacerod wrote: The fact that peter fury is also his uncle makes him doubly culpable. The man is a proven criminal scumbag and clearly hasn't reformed. He should hang his thick head in shame.

Pathetic comment, what makes you think Peter hasn't reformed? A genuinely decent man and boxing trainer, and you're on an internet forum slandering him, probably after a load of pints??! You're a waste of space, who offers nothing.

It isn't slander if it's true Pete

Why did you claim "he clearly hasn't reformed" ?? How or why is that clear? Are you suggesting he's supplying his own nephew with cocaine??! The guy he trains??? Absolutely slanderous and you know it's bollocks . You're just like the rest, can't wait to take a s-hit on a man and his family, when they are down.

Its great so many in British Boxing are delighted with this news. Who needs Germans or Americans to hammer our own fighters, when Brits can't hide their excitement at doing so. Some of you need to take a look at yourselves

Tyson has made a mistake, no doubt about it, he has broken the rules and he will have to abide by those rules, whatever the respective governing bodies decide.

But there are a few comments on these threads well wide of the mark.

The guy never cheated. There is nothing performance enhancing about cocaine. I've seen it referred to on these boards, repeatedly, as a stimulant as if that means anything.

The guy has very likely got mental health issues. People insinuating he made them up to cover up for the cocaine issue really should be sure of that before spouting it online.
Mental health issues could have been a causal factor in his choice in lifestyle. His choice in life style could be a causal factor in his mental health issues. I would have serious reservations about leveling criticism at anyone who may be suffering mentally.

The guy is human. We can all sit here on a pedestal, telling the world he should be a role model.
No one knows what happens inside his head. No one here can tell the pressure he is under and the temptations of his new found fame.

I've taken the stuff before and I don't consider myself a "bad example to the young uns", equally I'm not a millionaire sportsman I suppose.


But let's not forget who will lose most from this. It's his body, it's his decision what he puts in it and he will be the one that pays the greatest penalty for getting caught.

No need to be implicating Peter Fury in all this. A man who as far as I can see has turned his own life full circle. Made mistakes and paid his dues in full. Now a genuine source of good in his community for young people. I feel for Fury getting caught for whiff while heavyweight champion of the world will cost him £20million.

However if you think he won't come back from this you are crazy. Controversy sells and his personality is such that he will be a big draw WHEN he returns.

And return he shall. This is no feather duster man.

peter barlow wrote:

CaptainSpacerod wrote:

peter barlow wrote: Pathetic comment, what makes you think Peter hasn't reformed? A genuinely decent man and boxing trainer, and you're on an internet forum slandering him, probably after a load of pints??! You're a waste of space, who offers nothing.

It isn't slander if it's true Pete

Why did you claim "he clearly hasn't reformed" ?? How or why is that clear? Are you suggesting he's supplying his own nephew with cocaine??! The guy he trains??? Absolutely slanderous and you know it's bollocks . You're just like the rest, can't wait to take a s-hit on a man and his family, when they are down.

Its great so many in British Boxing are delighted with this news. Who needs Germans or Americans to hammer our own fighters, when Brits can't hide their excitement at doing so. Some of you need to take a look at yourselves

Clearly hasn't reformed in that he!s still a fvcking liar.

I!m not delighted. I feel sorry for Tyson but he only has himself to blame both for his own misdemeanours and for surrounding himself with wrong uns