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Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:34
by crusader
Who next?

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:35
by Tanzio
It was not a shutout. Loma was throwing very little more than glove shots in the first three rounds. He was just feeling him out, but I think Walters landed slightly more real punches in two of the first three rounds only because Loma was just getting timing down.

Walters just flatout quit. He is now rationalizing it :doh:

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:35
by diddy
I feel sorry for anyone who had Lomo but dec. That's a pathetic tank job.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:36
by Ian1973
Lomachenko is right up there with GGG, Gonzalez, Kovalev, Ward, Crawford, Pacquiao.

They are the top seven active fighters IMO.

You can squabble about what order they're in. :OhYes:

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:37
by tigermoth87
Lomachenko is fantastic. Can't see anyone in that division beating him. Saying that, I don't want him to move up yet. There's some good fights to be made against Sosa, Pedrassa etc.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:37
by closer
Just before the fight started when walters walked into the ring, he didn't look up for it at all, I think bunce mentioned that too, as soon as i saw that, I put money on stoppage at 2-1, was wondering when he was going to quit.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:38
by diddy
Loma-Sosa is probably next. Sosa has no chance.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:43
by Tanzio
tigermoth87 wrote:Lomachenko is fantastic. Can't see anyone in that division beating him. Saying that, I don't want him to move up yet. There's some good fights to be made against Sosa, Pedrassa etc.
I agree, but I doubt anybody there can even come close. I think that he should go to 135 for Barthelemy, Flanagan or maybe Mikey.

I also agree that Loma was way out of Walters class but pretty much everyone felt that way going in.

Did not expect Walters to quit. Disappointing but to be honest he was going to get beaten sensless by 9 to 11.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:50
by boxing_rocks
Ian1973 wrote:Lomachenko is right up there with GGG, Gonzalez, Kovalev, Ward, Crawford, Pacquiao.

They are the top six active fighters IMO.

You can squabble about what order they're in. :OhYes:
Current Ward is at least a level below Lomachenko. Loma compensates a relative lack of power with speed, movement, volume, outstanding footwork, angles.

Ward's main tool is lowering opponent's output by clinching and running. Kovalev is also not on the same level with Loma.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 01:59
by Tanzio
boxing_rocks wrote:
Ian1973 wrote:Lomachenko is right up there with GGG, Gonzalez, Kovalev, Ward, Crawford, Pacquiao.

They are the top six active fighters IMO.

You can squabble about what order they're in. :OhYes:
Current Ward is at least a level below Lomachenko. Loma compensates a relative lack of power with speed, movement, volume, outstanding footwork, angles.

Ward's main tool is lowering opponent's output by clinching and running. Kovalev is also not on the same level with Loma.
:roll: here we go. Loma is great but he hasn't done enough to break the top 5. I would put him top 10 though and rising. He has faced nobody near the level of Ward, Kovalev, Crawford, 3G, Chocolatito, Pac or Canelo. If he could be rated above any of those at the moment they would be Chocolatito and 3G. A year from now I could see him in the top four or higher.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 02:02
by crusader
Tanzio wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
Ian1973 wrote:Lomachenko is right up there with GGG, Gonzalez, Kovalev, Ward, Crawford, Pacquiao.

They are the top six active fighters IMO.

You can squabble about what order they're in. :OhYes:
Current Ward is at least a level below Lomachenko. Loma compensates a relative lack of power with speed, movement, volume, outstanding footwork, angles.

Ward's main tool is lowering opponent's output by clinching and running. Kovalev is also not on the same level with Loma.
:roll: here we go. Loma is great but he hasn't done enough to break the top 5. I would put him top 10 though and rising. He has faced nobody near the level of Ward, Kovalev, Crawford, 3G, Chocolatito, Pac or Canelo. If he could be rated above any of those at the moment they would be Chocolatito and 3G. A year from now I could see him in the top four or higher.
Who have GGG, Crawford, and Roman fought at a P4P level? Not that I rank Loma above all them....

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 02:08
by Tanzio
crusader wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
Current Ward is at least a level below Lomachenko. Loma compensates a relative lack of power with speed, movement, volume, outstanding footwork, angles.

Ward's main tool is lowering opponent's output by clinching and running. Kovalev is also not on the same level with Loma.
:roll: here we go. Loma is great but he hasn't done enough to break the top 5. I would put him top 10 though and rising. He has faced nobody near the level of Ward, Kovalev, Crawford, 3G, Chocolatito, Pac or Canelo. If he could be rated above any of those at the moment they would be Chocolatito and 3G. A year from now I could see him in the top four or higher.
Who have GGG, Crawford, and Roman fought at a P4P level? Not that I rank Loma above all them....
Crawford has defeated better comp but not much. I rate Chocolatito and 3G over him because of their body of work but I could understand why some would put Loma above Roman and 3G.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 02:16
by diddy
Lomo needs to go to 140 to find a real fight. Which is Crawford. The only reasonable opponents for him at 135 would be Mikey Garcia and maybe Rances Barthelemy. That's about it. The dudes at 130 have no shot.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 02:24
by Tanzio
diddy wrote:Lomo needs to go to 140 to find a real fight. Which is Crawford. The only reasonable opponents for him at 135 would be Mikey Garcia and maybe Rances Barthelemy. That's about it. The dudes at 130 have no shot.
I agree. Loma literally toyed with Walters tonight. A bit disappointing but a pleasure watching such a wonderful talent operate.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 03:28
by 5burowz
Walters is a disgrace; he should ask Orlando Cruz if he can borrow some of his high heels.

Re: Walters/Lomachenko

Posted: 27 Nov 2016, 05:27
by Bard of Boxrec
Can you imagine if Vasyl was around when floyd was 130 champ, what a matchup that would have been.