Heavyweights: Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis

[Give up]

I don't care what anybody in this forum says. A slow guy like Lennox Lewis can't beat a force like the great Mike Tyson.
Lewis was TOO SLOW. TOO SLOW!

Too slow for prime Tyson,i agree,the rest are excuses!

[J]

cos you say it so don't make it truth.

[Give up]

true only

[Keko]

Not exactly and he did not want the rematch. You have to be stupid not to see. After the match was announced the rematch.

Lewis for me a great boxer but on this one with Klitschko was not correct.
Everything else is a poor justification.

Please allow me to help you out here.

Definition of retirement. 1 a : an act of retiring : the state of being retired b : withdrawal from one's position or occupation or from active working life.

You can't have to help me a hundred because too long follow boxing and can in itself help to finally look interview after the fight.

[Keko]

Someone's age is less important how much is he that keepeth his career. He was careful to better his career, he was careful to every detail in the contract and formalized it. I always say that Lewis was a very intelligent athlete.

[elmersalsa]

Someone's age is less important how much is he that keepeth his career. He was careful to better his career, he was careful to every detail in the contract and formalized it. I always say that Lewis was a very intelligent athlete.

He came at the right time. That is it. He didn't beat nobody of note that indicates that it was a great fighter. I don't see an opponent in his ledger that makes me say "wow!".

[Keko]

Please allow me to help you out here.

Definition of retirement. 1 a : an act of retiring : the state of being retired b : withdrawal from one's position or occupation or from active working life.

You can't have to help me a hundred because too long follow boxing and can in itself help to finally look interview after the fight.

I am assuming English isn't your first language, so do you perhaps come from a country where people are NOT allowed to decide when they can retire? Only you seem intent on denying Lewis that choice.

I am from Switzerland.I was born in Croatia and lived in Italy and Germany before. Unfortunately you never seen an interview after the fight and there is no point to argue. Lewis himself disgraced promising rematch due to the first match as he finished.

To simplify things
Still Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko because I do not like no one.
The great champions but I'm not a fan.

They defend every Lewis move because you're just a fan of Lewis.. That this is Klitschko made the first would attack that left him no chance for a rematch.
End of story.

[Keko]

I am assuming English isn't your first language, so do you perhaps come from a country where people are NOT allowed to decide when they can retire? Only you seem intent on denying Lewis that choice.

I am from Switzerland.I was born in Croatia and lived in Italy and Germany before. Unfortunately you never seen an interview after the fight and there is no point to argue. Lewis himself disgraced promising rematch due to the first match as he finished.

To simplify things
Still Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko because I do not like no one.
The great champions but I'm not a fan.

They defend every Lewis move because you're just a fan of Lewis.. That this is Klitschko made the first would attack that left him no chance for a rematch.
End of story.

So you take everything a fighter says as gospel truth do you?

Well my advice to you is never let your children go near Mike Tyson, because the cretin once said he wanted to eat them. How gullible some people are.

Oh, I almost forgot he also once said he wanted " to stomp on some kids testicles " but NO ONE with a brain believes he would actually do it.

I'm just saying what it was and what it was
Not interested me a lot of discussion but with Klitscko, Lewis made so that I wrote. All exactly I wrote.
Only a fool does not believe what he sees.This is a fact.

Everything else is true that Lewis was an excellent boxer and had a very good career.

I think that the prime Tyson better than prime Lewis but it is my opinion and that we should not all of us agree.

The theme is anyway Lewis vs Tyson

[Keko]

Let each one has their own opinion but I do not need to be constantly repeated.

[elmersalsa]

Iron Mike was SHOT by 1999

[Keko]

Let each one has their own opinion but I do not need to be constantly repeated.

Then we will agree to disagree. You believe Tyson beats Lewis, I would put at least 2 of my houses on prime Lewis easily beating ANY version of Tyson.

2002 I have made money with Lewis and would also I well earned and the prime Tyson. I do not doubt it.

[GPTM1403]

considering they are more or less the same age the big issue is that their primes were massively apart. Tyson never got better than the sheer force of nature he was in his early 20s and Lewis was better when Steward got hold of him than he had been before then. In some senses the Ruddock comparison is good, Lewis was especially brutal when someone worried him and in his younger days he really went out to get them out before they did him. The prime Lewis probably would never have taken that approach to a fight but I also think the prime Lewis would be much, much harder for Tyson to crash into. Also think the prime Lewis is more focussed for Tyson than he would have been for any other fight. Tyson has a big punchers chance against the younger Lewis but I always think that prime Tyson against prime Lewis is a wearing down process where Tyson gets stopped late. But I can absolutely see people who think Tyson stops Lewis. And there is always the case that if Lewis gets dropped he doesn't have the quick recovery to cope with Tyson on top of him. Just not sure he is as careless v Tyson as he was v Rahman and McCall.

[elmersalsa]

considering they are more or less the same age the big issue is that their primes were massively apart. Tyson never got better than the sheer force of nature he was in his early 20s and Lewis was better when Steward got hold of him than he had been before then. In some senses the Ruddock comparison is good, Lewis was especially brutal when someone worried him and in his younger days he really went out to get them out before they did him. The prime Lewis probably would never have taken that approach to a fight but I also think the prime Lewis would be much, much harder for Tyson to crash into. Also think the prime Lewis is more focussed for Tyson than he would have been for any other fight. Tyson has a big punchers chance against the younger Lewis but I always think that prime Tyson against prime Lewis is a wearing down process where Tyson gets stopped late. But I can absolutely see people who think Tyson stops Lewis. And there is always the case that if Lewis gets dropped he doesn't have the quick recovery to cope with Tyson on top of him. Just not sure he is as careless v Tyson as he was v Rahman and McCall.

I like your analysis and respect it, too. Once Iron Mike finds Lewis' chin, (and he would have), bye-bye Lennox!

The only thing I see Lewis winning is by using his weight perfectly on top of Tyson. That is not enough. To beat Tyson, you gotta be first. Outpunch him, have a fast jab. Make him pay hard punches. The BIG PROBLEM is that Lewis WAS NOT FAST ENOUGH. HE DIDN'T HAD THAT FAST JAB, AND Definitely, he didn't had that one punch knockout power to stop Tyson. Tyson proved that he had a hell of a chin. It was demonstrated on the Buster Douglas and The Real Deal fights. Even in his fight with Lennox, Tyson showed that he had a great chin for someone that was totally washed up.

[Ambling Alp II]

Lewis had as good of chin as Tyson. Lewis sure as heck had the power to stop Tyson if he caught him.

[elmersalsa]

Lewis had as good of chin as Tyson. Lewis sure as heck had the power to stop Tyson if he caught him.

Stop it! The great Mike Tyson was never down and counted to ten with one shot. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman don't beat the Tyson in Tokyo, let alone lose to them in the 80s decade. I can't picture Tyson going with one shot by McCall or Rahman. Let alone losing to those BUMS with or without his very best. I can't see it, Alp. I can't see it.

[elmersalsa]

Lewis had as good of chin as Tyson. Lewis sure as heck had the power to stop Tyson if he caught him.

Stop it! The great Mike Tyson was never down and counted to ten with one shot. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman don't beat the Tyson in Tokyo, let alone lose to them in the 80s decade. I can't picture Tyson going with one shot by McCall or Rahman. Let alone losing to those BUMS with or without his very best. I can't see it, Alp. I can't see it.

Now you are just making yourself look stupid. Assuming you can count you will see below that Lewis was up at 6 against McCall, ONLY Rahman put him down for the count.

https://youtu.be/SzEg9qKSGio?t=61

Now if I thought it wouldn't break your delicate little heart I could post the clip of Tyson grovelling around on his knees trying to find his gumshield like a baby looks for its dummy, when Douglas put him on his ass.

If you think McCall and Rahman were so bad, try Williams and McBride. Fighter don't get much worse, and they were the calibre of guys that were treating Tyson as a punchbag.

Furthermore I couldn't see Lewis EVER losing to someone as small as Holyfield never mind getting beaten the shite out of by the guy BEFORE getting KO'd by him. Lewis just isn't clueless enough to let someone like that dominate him the way Tyson was dominated.

Even funnier when you take into account Holy was seen as the " easy option " with Lewis being paid step aside money so Tyson could get battered by Vander.

The problem is that you combine past best as is still in prime just like Kalan. Terry Norris beats Sugar Ray. That means Norris always beat Leonard, not considering that Leonard was shot.

The same was with Iron Mike with Lennox Lewis. You think that Lewis clobbers Tyson even the one of the 80s.

To begin with, Lewis never gave me an indication that he could beat any great boxer from the past. Not with that style. Not by being that slow.
Oliver McCall gave Lewis one shot and he was out. Do you think that Lewis would have continued? Please! He would have beat the count and win the fight...Only your mind!

Hasim Rahman found also his chin and timmmbbbeeerrr! That was it for The Lion! It. Was embarrassing! I can't picture a great fighter like Mike Tyson losing to those BUMS. I DON'T THINK NOBODY IN HERE BUT PROBABLY YOU THAT TYSON LOSES TO THOSE BUMS. NOT EVEN IN TOKYO.

Other guys that I don't see losing to Rahman and the GOOFY McCall:
Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Jimmy Young. Not even Michael Spinks loses to those bums. Lewis lost to them....By knockout, which is EMBARRASSING to say the least.

Lewis came AT THE RIGHT TIME to fight Tyson and Holyfield. Prime per prime, I put my money of both of them, big time over Lewis. He CAUGHT them at the tail of their careers. Put Evander the night he beat Tyson and Lewis goes quicker. I can't picture NO VERSION OF LEWIS BEATING A PRIME HOLYFIELD.

Tyson never went down in his prime or close to it to NOBODY by one shot. He could take lots of punishment for a long period of the fight. Something that Lewis never showed.

To beat Tyson, like I have said a thousand times: You have to have SPEED. A FAST JAB. AND OUTPUNCH TYSON AND BE FIRST. NOT BE SCARED.

The PROBLEM here is that Lewis only had one of the four factors. That's not good enough.

[Ambling Alp II]

Lewis had as good of chin as Tyson. Lewis sure as heck had the power to stop Tyson if he caught him.

Stop it! The great Mike Tyson was never down and counted to ten with one shot. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman don't beat the Tyson in Tokyo, let alone lose to them in the 80s decade. I can't picture Tyson going with one shot by McCall or Rahman. Let alone losing to those BUMS with or without his very best. I can't see it, Alp. I can't see it.

He got up from the Mcall knockdown and was ready to continue.
The shot would have knocked out Tyson. You can argue that Lewis should not have been hit with such a punch, but that is a different story.
Those were the only two times in his career that Lewis went down.

Tyson got knocked out by Douglas. A fighter witha great chin would have stood up those punches.
Tyson was helpless against Holyfield. A fighter with a great chin would have taken those punches.

Neither Douglas or Holyfield were particuarly hard punchers.

[elmersalsa]

I couldn't care less about the Leonard fight. Are you seriously going to claim that Boudouani, Rosenblatt, Mullings,Brown, Jackson, and Kelly were all faster than Norris? Because if you are you know less than nothing about boxing. So much for your theory on speed being the ultimate asset. As I told you, look at how Forrest handles the muck quicker Mosley.

Terry Norris was WASHED UP when he lost to those guys. The only guys that beat Norris in that group at his very best and in his prime were Julian Jackson and Simon Brown. Both fighters had excellent speed. They weren't SLOW LIKE LENNOX LEWIS.

Vernon Forrest was a quick boxer.

Every day of the week and twice on Sundays, just like he did when they were kids, and old tomato told his trainer to get Lewis out of the gym. Tyson was ALWAYS afraid of Lewis, because he was too big too strong and hit too hard for little Mikey.

In your dreams. Who are you lying to? A 10 year old boy? Give me facts that Lewis used to beat Tyson in sparring? I have heard it was the other way around.
EVERY DAY AND TWICE ON SUNDAY, MY ASS!

I can't work out whether you are blind, or just unable to count. Which parts of TKO, and KO are you unable to comprehend. You stated McCall KO'd Lewis with one shot. He didn't so either you are dumb, or you lied.

Lying? Lewis went down with ONE SHOT. ONE SHOT! THE FIGHT WAS OVER. IT WAS EMBARRASSING! Tyson never went down like that in his prime. Oliver McCall gave him one shot, and the referee stopped it. Lewis was unable to continue.

NOW you are learning. Rahman did in fact KO Lewis as opposed to TKOing him. Just like he clean KO'd 14 other guys. Guess how many guys fat Danny CLEAN KO'd? 9, and one of them was your little hero.

Iron Mike was washed up. What part of washed up you don't understand? Lewis in the other hand, went down with one shot by TWO BUMS!

Nah, what is embarrassing is getting beaten the shite out of THEN knocked out like Tyson was, especially when you paid step aside money to the guy you were too scared to face and got proper ferked by the " easy option "

Losing to the great Evander Holyfield is an honor. Is not embarrassing. Losing to TWO BUMS WITH ONE SHOT IS EMBARRASSING.

Well, Holyfield must be a slower learner than you then, because after Lennox he carried on for another eleven and a half years, won the WBA title in his very next fight, and even won a version of a world title 10 years later.

Are you sure you are following the right sport? Because you seem pretty clueless when judging a fighters ability against their age

HE "carried on" alright. Losing 6 fights after 1999? At one point, The Real Deal could not win a fight. His skills were totally eroded. He was well into his 40s and washed up. I don't know what part of washed up you can't understand. The judges gave him A GIFT DECISION against someone who wouldn't carry his spit bucket in his prime.

Credit where credit is due, he definitely took his humiliations and beatings like a man. Shame he was too stupid to do anything about it, other than keep getting hit until he did go down and out.

LENNOX LEWIS WAS OUT TWICE WITH ONE SHOT BY TWO GOOFY-GOOFY GUYS....NUFF SAID!

Go and tell that to fat Danny, Kevin McBride, plus the fighters I listed above who ALL beat the much faster Norris. I haven't bothered listing the guys who Terry was DQ'd against, just those that beat the guy fair and square. Though there are plenty who believe Norris deliberately fouled out against Santana rather than lose with honour.

Are we talking about Tyson or Terry Norris? Make up your mind, please! And again, what part of being washed up you can't understand?

So you keep saying, but the evidence says differently. Then again I suppose in your imagination Buster, and Holy were as fast as Jones Jr, or Leonard.

It seems to me you don't know the meaning of prime nor speed.

[elmersalsa]

Terry Norris was WASHED UP when he lost to those guys. The only guys that beat Norris in that group at his very best and in his prime were Julian Jackson and Simon Brown. Both fighters had excellent speed. They weren't SLOW LIKE LENNOX LEWIS.

Vernon Forrest was a quick boxer.




In your dreams. Who are you lying to? A 10 year old boy? Give me facts that Lewis used to beat Tyson in sparring? I have heard it was the other way around.
EVERY DAY AND TWICE ON SUNDAY, MY ASS!


Lying? Lewis went down with ONE SHOT. ONE SHOT! THE FIGHT WAS OVER. IT WAS EMBARRASSING! Tyson never went down like that in his prime. Oliver McCall gave him one shot, and the referee stopped it. Lewis was unable to continue.



Iron Mike was washed up. What part of washed up you don't understand? Lewis in the other hand, went down with one shot by TWO BUMS!


Losing to the great Evander Holyfield is an honor. Is not embarrassing. Losing to TWO BUMS WITH ONE SHOT IS EMBARRASSING.



HE "carried on" alright. Losing 6 fights after 1999? At one point, The Real Deal could not win a fight. His skills were totally eroded. He was well into his 40s and washed up. I don't know what part of washed up you can't understand. The judges gave him A GIFT DECISION against someone who wouldn't carry his spit bucket in his prime.



LENNOX LEWIS WAS OUT TWICE WITH ONE SHOT BY TWO GOOFY-GOOFY GUYS....NUFF SAID!



Are we talking about Tyson or Terry Norris? Make up your mind, please! And again, what part of being washed up you can't understand?

It seems to me you don't know the meaning of prime nor speed.

Now I know you are a cretin of the highest order.

FACT.

Norris was beaten by Kelly WHO I LISTED ABOVE in his 13th fight. He was DQ'd in his 15th fight, and again in his 43rd fight in fights he was losing.

So much for him being " washed up " whenever he lost.

Even funnier and more stupid is you having Jackson, Forrest and Brown as speed merchants. All were slower than Norris, as were the other 3 guys who beat him. Which merely serves to prove your theory about needing speed to beat the other guys is pure horse manure. Norris's problem was much like the little object of your fanboyism. When he got hit hard he didn't know what to do. It's just that Tyson took more shots before inevitably losing.

So just to reiterate.

You actually believe that getting hit and dropped by a guy 235 + is more embarrassing than claiming you are the baddest man on the planet, the most destructive fighter who ever lived, then getting a systematic beating before getting KTFO in front of millions of people world wide by a 42 - 1 UNDERDOG? Do you live in a cuckoo clock by any chance?

Anyone can get nailed and dropped and stopped with one shot, particularly at Heavyweight, but to be made to look like a clueless idiot with no answer to what is happening the way Buster made Tyson look was beyond funny, it was awesome. Potentially hundreds of millions of dollars down the drain because a guy who was more interested in fishing than fighting exposed an over hyped bully boy.

As for L.L.

Beat every man he EVER faced, shame your little hero didn't.

I have less than zero interest in your opinion of Lewis getting the better of Tyson and kicked out of the gym when both were kids. Suffice to say it is well documented that the sick old perv D' Amato threw anyone out who stood up to Tyson, even going as far as endorsing Tyson sexually assaulting Atlas's 11 year old niece, by kicking the trainer out. It was all about building the weirdo's confidence, and NOT about handling adversity. Sparring partners were employed merely to let Tyson batter them, and not fight back, or get kicked out.

First, you're just talking PURE STUPIDITY, BROTHER!

Second, there is no video, no clear evidence of the Tyson vs Lewis sparring sessions. Nobody believes your OUTRAGEOUS LIES. It's the first time I hear that kind of garbage. Greg Page knocked down Tyson in a sparring session. There is an evidence. There is a video. Give me FACTS and don't be running your stupid mouth. Give me facts!

Julian Jackson and Simon Brown had excellent hand speed. They hit Terry Norris' chin and it was over, just like the English man BUM and OVERRATED Lennox Lewis. He beat every man that he faced? BIG DEAL! Even at that, I don't consider him a pound per pound great. He is not a top 10 heavyweight all time either. NOT IN MY BOOK. He got knocked the fuuck out by TWO GOOFY BUMS. Bums that Tyson would have been lost to in his prime.

Answer me. But, make it short and to the point, OK?
I wonder if this guy is a mini-Kalan?

[elmersalsa]

When someone says that Terry Norris would have beaten Sugar Ray anytime, or things like Lennox Lewis beats Iron Mike of the 80s every time it shows me that you gotta leave people who think like that alone. I just shake my head.

Then, no evidence about old sparring sessions. No videos. Nobody wrote about it. Do you really believe that kind of GARBAGE?

[elmersalsa]

Lewis had as good of chin as Tyson. Lewis sure as heck had the power to stop Tyson if he caught him.

Stop it! The great Mike Tyson was never down and counted to ten with one shot. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman don't beat the Tyson in Tokyo, let alone lose to them in the 80s decade. I can't picture Tyson going with one shot by McCall or Rahman. Let alone losing to those BUMS with or without his very best. I can't see it, Alp. I can't see it.

He got up from the Mcall knockdown and was ready to continue.
The shot would have knocked out Tyson. You can argue that Lewis should not have been hit with such a punch, but that is a different story.
Those were the only two times in his career that Lewis went down.

Tyson got knocked out by Douglas. A fighter witha great chin would have stood up those punches.
Tyson was helpless against Holyfield. A fighter with a great chin would have taken those punches.

Neither Douglas or Holyfield were particuarly hard punchers.

Anybody that takes extra amount of punishment like Iron Mike did, especially in the Douglas and Holyfield fights would eventually go down. There is no way in hell that a fighter could take that amount of punishment and don't go down. It was the accumulation of punches that stopped Tyson.

If you're a heavyweight receiving all kinds of wicked shots like Tyson took, you gotta go down. No matter how great of a chin you got. Tyson proved that he had a great chin. He took a lot of shots from two heavyweights that can put you down and out if they keep repeatedly hitting someone like that.

The question is, could Lennox Lewis take that amount of shots in a fight? THE EVIDENCE WAS CLEARLY SEEN. HE CANNOT. END OF STORY.

[elmersalsa]

I told you your an idiot of the highest order. It is well documented Tyson and Lewis sparred when Lewis was 17 and Tyson 16, and after the 3rd session in which Lewis made Tyson look stupid and started knocking him about the ring D' Amato told his ( Lewis's ) trainer to take him out of the catskills. The fact you are unaware of that is your problem and yours alone. That is why Tyson paid him step aside money rather than fight him and got battered by another underdog in Holyfield.

Oh please post your moronic theory again about how a fighter paying another guy step aside money doesn't mean he is ducking him. I could do with another laugh.

What part of " Norris lost to guys who were a lot slower than he was " is too difficult for you to comprehend? Or are you going to stick to your frankly idiotic claim that both Brown and Jackson were quicker than him?

What you consider Lewis to be is worth NOTHING. The FACTS are he beat every man he ever faced, unlike the gutless little cretin who found it much easier to rape and assault girls than get back in the ring and beat his conquerors.

Not that I am overly interested but who exactly do you think claimed " Norris would beat Leonard anytime " because it certainly wasn't me?

But yes, prime Lewis beats ANY version of the bully boy ( who was only happy abusing women ) with consummate ease. It would be easier for Lennox making Tyson look amateur than it was making Tua look the same. One has a brain, the other is a retard, who is completely unable to think his way out of trouble. It doesn't get much simpler to work out than that.

Retarded troll. I told you to be short and to the point. You gotta be out of your mind or you gotta be RETARDED OR BOTH.

I TOLD YOU TO BRING ME FACTS. YOU'RE RETARDED ASS DIDN'T DO WHAT I ASKED YOU.

Where in the clips Lennox Lewis ever whupped Mike Tyson in sparring? Can somebody besides THIS RETARDED FOOL SHOW ME ANY EVIDENCE THAT LEWIS WHUUPPED TYSON IN SPARRING SESSIONS?

Is that a true fact of a classic moron that doesn't has any proof of those old sparring sessions? I am not ten years old. Go tell that to your kids if you have some.

Now, what raping women got to do with the subject? This is a classic moronic troll.

[Kalan]

Stop it! The great Mike Tyson was never down and counted to ten with one shot. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman don't beat the Tyson in Tokyo, let alone lose to them in the 80s decade. I can't picture Tyson going with one shot by McCall or Rahman. Let alone losing to those BUMS with or without his very best. I can't see it, Alp. I can't see it.

He got up from the Mcall knockdown and was ready to continue.
The shot would have knocked out Tyson. You can argue that Lewis should not have been hit with such a punch, but that is a different story.
Those were the only two times in his career that Lewis went down.

Tyson got knocked out by Douglas. A fighter witha great chin would have stood up those punches.
Tyson was helpless against Holyfield. A fighter with a great chin would have taken those punches.

Neither Douglas or Holyfield were particuarly hard punchers.

Anybody that takes extra amount of punishment like Iron Mike did, especially in the Douglas and Holyfield fights would eventually go down. There is no way in hell that a fighter could take that amount of punishment and don't go down. It was the accumulation of punches that stopped Tyson.

If you're a heavyweight receiving all kinds of wicked shots like Tyson took, you gotta go down. No matter how great of a chin you got. Tyson proved that he had a great chin. He took a lot of shots from two heavyweights that can put you down and out if they keep repeatedly hitting someone like that.

The question is, could Lennox Lewis take that amount of shots in a fight? THE EVIDENCE WAS CLEARLY SEEN. HE CANNOT. END OF STORY.

Mike couldn't take those shots either. That's why Mike was knocked out 5 X and Lewis wasn't.

But Lewis didn't have to take hard shots... He was a good boxer... Mike had to take those shots... He WASN'T a good boxer... END OF STORY!!!

[Ambling Alp II]

Oh please. There is a difference between saying someone is a great boxer and saying that they are a great person. Nobody is saying that he was a great person.

Jake LaMotta and Carlos Monzon were horrible people. Ignore it when rating them as boxers.

[elmersalsa]

He got up from the Mcall knockdown and was ready to continue.
The shot would have knocked out Tyson. You can argue that Lewis should not have been hit with such a punch, but that is a different story.
Those were the only two times in his career that Lewis went down.

Tyson got knocked out by Douglas. A fighter witha great chin would have stood up those punches.
Tyson was helpless against Holyfield. A fighter with a great chin would have taken those punches.

Neither Douglas or Holyfield were particuarly hard punchers.

Anybody that takes extra amount of punishment like Iron Mike did, especially in the Douglas and Holyfield fights would eventually go down. There is no way in hell that a fighter could take that amount of punishment and don't go down. It was the accumulation of punches that stopped Tyson.

If you're a heavyweight receiving all kinds of wicked shots like Tyson took, you gotta go down. No matter how great of a chin you got. Tyson proved that he had a great chin. He took a lot of shots from two heavyweights that can put you down and out if they keep repeatedly hitting someone like that.

The question is, could Lennox Lewis take that amount of shots in a fight? THE EVIDENCE WAS CLEARLY SEEN. HE CANNOT. END OF STORY.

Mike couldn't take those shots either. That's why Mike was knocked out 5 X and Lewis wasn't.

But Lewis didn't have to take hard shots... He was a good boxer... Mike had to take those shots... He WASN'T a good boxer... END OF STORY!!!

Tyson was taking those shots because his skills eroded by 1989. No more trainer Kevin Rooney in his corner. When Rooney was there, Tyson could slip punches and come back with left hooks, uppercuts and wicked combinations.

Lewis could not take those shots. It was evidently seen by TWO BUMS that knocked him out....END OF STORY!