The FEATHERWEIGHT game: *VOTE CLOSED*

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

This is a game which will be decided by the wisdom of the crowd.

Each of us has our own opinions on who was better than who, or which achievement was greater than others.
But let's bring it all together and allow simple mathematics to decide it all.

The game is this, each poster names and ranks his Top 10 Featherweights of all time and with each ranking comes a certain number of points.
First place gets 10 points, tenth place gets 1 point - and everything fits in between.

- I would not rate Manny in the feathers after I rated him in the welts and lightweights, but as you inform us, let the wisdom of the crowd decide these matters. OK then, the wisdom of the largest crowd to ever participate in ranking boxers, some 500,000, decided Manny was the #1 featherweight and #2 P4P behind SRRobby, so here we go again. Let the moaning commence.

1 Manny Pacquiao
2 Willie Pep
3 Salvador Sanchez
4 George Dixon
5 Terry McGovern
6 Kid Chocolate
7 Marco Antonio Barrera
8 Alexis Arguello
9 Freddie Miller
10 Eder Jofre

Oh, and BTW, your model introduces an unnecessary reverse conversion of the numbers that increases the chance for errors, but maybe you are of the new math generation that need extra complexity to stay on task. The lists we provide are already numerically ordered in the standard fashion, so just add up the scores like a round of golf, and bingo, low score wins...perhaps too simples for overly complex designed brains doomed to extra swings to pad out their golf scores, but hey, ho, neither golf or boxing could thrive without honest hackers aerating the courses and boxing hacks fertilizing social media. It's all in good fun and your intentions are honourable.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/17 ... ing-greats

P4P #1. Sugar Ray Robinson #2. Manny Pacquiao #3. Muhammad Ali

#1 Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson, #1 Featherweight: Manny Pacquiao, #1 Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali, #1 Lightheavyweight: Roy Jones Jr, #3 Lightweight, TUE 49-0.

Anyways, such are my rankings and I'm sticking to it.

[Crease]

Members are encouraged to get their list in (if they haven't already)

There's less than 12 hours before game closes.....

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12 hours left before I do the final count and close this thread.

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And so our final Featherweight scoreboard looks like this;

FINAL Scoreboard: (18 Members have voted)

1st - 170.5 pts Willie Pep
2nd - 145 pts Salvador Sanchez
3rd - 126.5 pts Sandy Saddler
4th - 79 pts Abe Attell
5th - 78 pts Alexis Arguello
6th - 55 pts Kid Chocolate
7th - 54 pts Henry Armstrong
8th - 47 pts Eusebio Pedroza
9th - 36 pts Freddie Miller
10th - 35 pts Johnny Kilbane

11th - 27 pts George Dixon
12th - 24 pts Marco Antonio Barrera
13th - 21 pts Vicente Saldivar
14th - 19 pts Naseem Hamed
15th - 18 pts Terry McGovern
16th - 16 pts Azumah Nelson
17th - 10 pts Manny Pacquaio
18th - 8 pts Tony Canzoneri
19th - 6 pts Jim Driscoll
20th - 4 pts Erik Morales
21st - 3 pts Baby Arizmendi
Tied 22nd - 2 pts Danny Lopez
Tied 22nd - 2 pts Wilfredo Gomez
Tied 24th - 1 pt Chris John
Tied 24th - 1 pt Barry McGuigan
Tied 24th - 1 pts Sugar Ramos
Tied 24th - 1 pts Eder Jofre

WILLIE PEP IS VOTED OUR GREATEST EVER FEATHERWEIGHT!!!

GAME CLOSED!!!

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Overview:

Willie Pep was voted Number One 13 times (with 1 tie).
Salvador Sanchez was voted Number One 2 times.
Sandy Saddler was voted Number One 2 times (with 1 tie).
Alexis Arguello was voted Number One 1 time.
Manny Pacquaio was voted Number One 1 time.

[Keko]

I noticed as lower weight classes that are sometimes unusual list.
Too bad some results looked beyond these categories and did list the results of SFW. I said I do not make sense because this is the FW and 126 Lb!

Arguello is say really too high for 126Lb,Armstrong also, Pacquaio as the first one on the list is probably the biggest surprise.
I think the two lists Saddler was not among the first 10 of which sounds impossible.It has cost him a better position likely.

Salvador Sanchez was highly respected as reasonably sure. Saldivar and Pedrosa I expect that both of them will have more points.

Again, we know already that we do not see all the same criteria we already makes it difficult, or at least should see only the same category FW.

Perhaps we should and junior classes to the list, it would be clearer.

[elmersalsa]

Very disappointing about the great Vicente Saldivar. We should have had a closer look. To me, a top ten featherweight of all-time.

[Ambling Alp II]

I too was disappointed Saldivar wasn't higher. People need to watch him in action; he was something special.

[davie]

Very disappointing about the great Vicente Saldivar. We should have had a closer look. To me, a top ten featherweight of all-time.

I too was disappointed Saldivar wasn't higher. People need to watch him in action; he was something special.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=207609
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198119

We reviewed his fights with Howard Winstone in these threads. I really enjoyed both. Howard boxed well and for the early rounds was able to have success against Vicente. But the little man would not be denied and was like a force of nature at times.
But a conclusion we did draw, was that although he was a persistent aggressive fighter, his boxing skills were under rated and he was a very fluid natural boxer who slipped and counter punched to take away one of the best jabs in the business

[elmersalsa]

Very disappointing about the great Vicente Saldivar. We should have had a closer look. To me, a top ten featherweight of all-time.

I too was disappointed Saldivar wasn't higher. People need to watch him in action; he was something special.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=207609
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198119

We reviewed his fights with Howard Winstone in these threads. I really enjoyed both. Howard boxed well and for the early rounds was able to have success against Vicente. But the little man would not be denied and was like a force of nature at times.
But a conclusion we did draw, was that although he was a persistent aggressive fighter, his boxing skills were under rated and he was a very fluid natural boxer who slipped and counter punched to take away one of the best jabs in the business

That Vicente Saldivar was awesome, davie. My favorite Mexican boxer.

[davie]

Very disappointing about the great Vicente Saldivar. We should have had a closer look. To me, a top ten featherweight of all-time.

I too was disappointed Saldivar wasn't higher. People need to watch him in action; he was something special.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=207609
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198119

We reviewed his fights with Howard Winstone in these threads. I really enjoyed both. Howard boxed well and for the early rounds was able to have success against Vicente. But the little man would not be denied and was like a force of nature at times.
But a conclusion we did draw, was that although he was a persistent aggressive fighter, his boxing skills were under rated and he was a very fluid natural boxer who slipped and counter punched to take away one of the best jabs in the business

That Vicente Saldivar was awesome, davie. My favorite Mexican boxer.

I don't think I would go that far. Top 5 though