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Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 04 Mar 2017, 18:07
by evrenb
Golden oldie and Kalan having conversation when they are the same person
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 04 Mar 2017, 19:45
by BoxBuzz
Cmon, have some respect for members of the Mutual Admiration Society........
They are not one and the same....though they appear as kindred spirits.
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 04 Mar 2017, 21:05
by Kalan
Kindred Spirits??? ... We agree on some boxing issues. Golden Oldie seems to have a grasp on style dynamics and boxing and punching ability,
But we disagree vehemently on the existence of God for instance... Maybe you didn't follow those threads but they would have left you in the dust.
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 05 Mar 2017, 14:56
by Cygnus475
golden oldie wrote:Cygnus475 wrote:golden oldie wrote:
Which is why I specifically wrote
" two guys of the same calibre " in the post above.
I know what calibre means.
Im saying unless its a video game youre never gonna get two fighters who are completely equal in EVERY catgory i mentioned, there will always be some x factors.
Hmm, most likely based on who some folks might have a fetish for. For instance if I convinced myself Marciano or Louis were the greatest things since sliced bread, I suspect I could find a thousand ( x factors ) to convince myself that were the case.
Meanwhile in the real world that has moved on, and advanced in the last 70 years.???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
So according you, dropping all the x factors that made older fighters great is "advancing" the sport?
Im getting a sense that you dont take those factors seriously? "The real world"...? Have you ever boxed before?
I thought you said a bigger guy would need to have >/= skill to a smaller guy to beat him?
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 12:01
by Ambling Alp II
golden oldie wrote:Ambling Alp II wrote:Kalan wrote:The Klitschko's are taller than Lewis but Lewis put on more muscle, going up to 257...
Liston is obviously a much bigger man than Louis... He's closer to Patterson at 190 then Liston at 215...
In their 1st fight Louis appeared to be the same size, but not as sturdy, as 192-pound Max Schmeling... He was a few pounds heavier but got knocked kicking
No Liston is not. Louis was a little taller, and Liston did not outweigh him by that much. Liston was often under 215 and Louis was usually over 200. Louis actually had fights where he weighed more than Liston.
Louis was bigger than Schmeling. There are many pictures of them standing by each other as well as their fights.
Liston lost to Marty Marshall, who (gasp) was not that big. I don't think that would have happened to Louis.
You are wrong yet again.
The stats of Louis and Liston are there for all to see on the third page of this thread, and Liston is patently the bigger man in every meaningful dimension. Chest, biceps, forearms, thighs, calf's wrist, fist etc, etc. Wishful thinking or revisionism on your part will NEVER alter those facts.
Yet he didn't weigh much more. The dimensions were all fairly close. If they weren't Liston would have weighed much more than Louis. You aren't going to find two people who have the same for all of these. Have never met anyone who cares at all about the tale of the tape. Louis was a little taller.
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 12:13
by SaadOffTheDeck
Elmer said no heavyweight before Liston was equipped to deal with Klitschko sized heavyweights and singled out Louis as someone who couldn't. The trolls are acting like anyone would differentiate between the two if they walked side by side down the street. It's comical.
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 12:55
by evrenb
Imagine Joe Louis in there with David Haye on Saturday night...not taking anything from Bellew. Haye the superfit adonis...modern boxer...224lb 6ft 3...modern training methods...modern diet....and yet he had one of the worst punch outputs I have ever seen and was still totally gassed...I mean wtf??? And yes against a light Heavyweight...Bellew managed him with traditional boxing methods...a tight defense, psychology and toughness.
In my opinion ..a natural 200lb Joe Louis would devastate both fighters...
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 14:04
by evrenb
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 14:53
by Controversial
evrenb wrote:Imagine Joe Louis in there with David Haye on Saturday night...not taking anything from Bellew. Haye the superfit adonis...modern boxer...224lb 6ft 3...modern training methods...modern diet....and yet he had one of the worst punch outputs I have ever seen and was still totally gassed...I mean wtf??? And yes against a light Heavyweight...Bellew managed him with traditional boxing methods...a tight defense, psychology and toughness.
In my opinion ..a natural 200lb Joe Louis would devastate both fighters...
Thats a bit unfair, Haye was clearly injured
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 16:18
by evrenb
He threw about 30 punches a round until he was injured...
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 17:14
by Controversial
evrenb wrote:He threw about 30 punches a round until he was injured...
He was injured before the fight, have you seen the footage of him walking into the ring?
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 17:20
by evrenb
Controversial wrote:evrenb wrote:He threw about 30 punches a round until he was injured...
He was injured before the fight, have you seen the footage of him walking into the ring?
I didn't tbh..I knew about the rumours...
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 17:59
by Controversial
evrenb wrote:Controversial wrote:evrenb wrote:He threw about 30 punches a round until he was injured...
He was injured before the fight, have you seen the footage of him walking into the ring?
I didn't tbh..I knew about the rumours...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l-iXTgtqc0E
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 07 Mar 2017, 03:15
by Kalan
evrenb wrote:Imagine Joe Louis in there with David Haye on Saturday night...not taking anything from Bellew. Haye the superfit adonis...modern boxer...224lb 6ft 3...modern training methods...modern diet....and yet he had one of the worst punch outputs I have ever seen and was still totally gassed...I mean wtf??? And yes against a light Heavyweight...Bellew managed him with traditional boxing methods...a tight defense, psychology and toughness.
In my opinion ..a natural 200lb Joe Louis would devastate both fighters...
Louis was cooked at a younger age than Haye... He looked horrible, spacey, and slow losing to 184 pound Ezzard Charles.. 31 pounds lighter than Bellew.
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 07 Mar 2017, 03:24
by Kalan
Charles looked worse than Louis in losing 15 of his last 25 fights -- after the age of 32 Ezz was a smoked fish.
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 07 Mar 2017, 04:18
by evrenb
Kalan wrote:Charles looked worse than Louis in losing 15 of his last 25 fights -- after the age of 32 Ezz was a smoked fish.
Yes and how many miles on the clock did Louis and Charles have on their clock compared to Haye...???
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 07 Mar 2017, 11:17
by Ambling Alp II
You were constantly quoting weights until it came to Liston and Louis. Then all of sudden the tale of the tape meant a big deal. Apparently we are supposed to be looking at forearms and calves.
Yes in a way Galento was bigger than them. He was stockier. Was nearly as good? No. Yet again, it's how good you are that matters, not what the needle on the scale or the tape measure says.
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 07 Mar 2017, 14:36
by evrenb
golden oldie wrote:Ambling Alp II wrote:golden oldie wrote:
You are wrong yet again.
The stats of Louis and Liston are there for all to see on the third page of this thread, and Liston is patently the bigger man in every meaningful dimension. Chest, biceps, forearms, thighs, calf's wrist, fist etc, etc. Wishful thinking or revisionism on your part will NEVER alter those facts.
Yet he didn't weigh much more. The dimensions were all fairly close. If they weren't Liston would have weighed much more than Louis. You aren't going to find two people who have the same for all of these. Have never met anyone who cares at all about the tale of the tape. Louis was a little taller.
You, the saad fool and the other numbskulls make me laugh.
NOW WHO IS OBSESSED WITH WEIGHT??????????????????
So lets get this right, to be a bigger man you must weigh more. That makes Tony Galento a bigger guy than Joe Louis, Marciano, Patterson, Ali, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Tyson, and Holyfield by your daft reckoning.
You and the other clowns should get your own Sunshine Bus. It is hilarious to see you crowd make yourselves look stupid in your determination to act knowledgable.
I think you belong on the 'Current Scene' forum.. you don't agree with anyone...virtually nobody agrees with you...you don't care what anyone thinks of you....as you keep saying....your sole aim is to denigrate the boxers of the past and its followers...?
Re: Interesting comments
Posted: 08 Mar 2017, 20:41
by Kalan
evrenb wrote:Kalan wrote:Charles looked worse than Louis in losing 15 of his last 25 fights -- after the age of 32 Ezz was a smoked fish.
Yes and how many miles on the clock did Louis and Charles have on their clock compared to Haye...???
You mean on the odometer? ... Quite a few at the rate Louis and Charles got hit... Pep got hit less and had 229 wins and 11 losses by the time he was 46 so that's a lot more miles -- so I think the more important item is how often you get hit when you do have a fight. Until this fight Haye was looking pretty good.. In this last fight he put more miles on the old O than he did his previous career.. I don't think you fight in that situation, you call it off.