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Kalan wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote: Foreman did take a few from Frazier and managed fine.....he even says Frazier rang his bell pretty well

How about VERY FEW??? ... and I don't think George got his bell rung very well... He never had a visible reaction to a Frazier punch.

In contrast Frazier reacted to a couple of Bob Foster's best punches... I often wonder if Foreman would have flattened Bob Foster as fast as Frazier did.

I'm just going by what Foreman himself says....Not sure, but I think he had a front row seat. I know I know.....probably all lies to make himself look like he earned his money.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Kalan wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote: Foreman did take a few from Frazier and managed fine.....he even says Frazier rang his bell pretty well

How about VERY FEW??? ... and I don't think George got his bell rung very well... He never had a visible reaction to a Frazier punch.

In contrast Frazier reacted to a couple of Bob Foster's best punches... I often wonder if Foreman would have flattened Bob Foster as fast as Frazier did.

I'm just going by what Foreman himself says....Not sure, but I think he had a front row seat. I know I know.....probably all lies to make himself look like he earned his money.

He [Bob Foster] had a front row seat to the Foreman-Frazier fight? As if Bob Foster was scouting Foreman to see if he could possibly match-up with George in a future fight??? I think the action would have dissuaded Foster swiftly.

But if you're saying Foreman had a front row seat to his own fight with Frazier, which is the more probable—though you don't always use quotation marks. George wasn't a spectator. He was 1 of the combatants. You already know George says a lot of positive things about all his opponents. He's a great businessman and PR guy. He knows being humble is very popular with fans. And all top fighters have fans. George sucks up to all of them. George never show the slightest sign of a bell ringing v Frazier.

Now if Foreman said Ron Lyle or Jimmy Young rang his bell???... Yeah! ...We know they did a lot more than that.

So did that other guy.....you know.......ol' what's his name.

So..... to sum up

Marciano vs Dempsey
Dempsey vs Baer
Baer vs Marciano

Now that we have debated it extensively, The Manassa Mauler vs the Livermore Larupper vs the Brockton Blockbuster, who wins?

golden oldie wrote:

Kalan wrote:You're full of BS. The video clearly shows the palming at 15:33 at 15:34. All those things were said by the commentators during those telecasts. Lewis was an extremely dirty fighter. And you clearly ignore any comments about his repeated fouling.

Wrong again Kalan.

You clearly stated that the commentators said Lewis hit Vitali with foul shots. I merely asked you when. You posted a clip and specified a time within that clip.I played it and NO ONE mentioned anything about fouls, thumbs, palms of gloves or any other garbage you are claiming.

I have constantly told you I have zero interest in figments of your imagination. I want hard and fast proof of ANYONE ( other than you ) with authority publicly claiming Lewis fouled his way to victory over Vitali.

Did you SEE the palming on the clip???? If you didn't you're blind... And listen to the telecasts all the way through you to get the comments on holding and hitting and roughhousing ... They didn't catch all the foul blows, but you saw the referee warning Lewis for the flagrant palming incident, which is seeing clearly on the video at the time I stated and unless you're completely blind you'll see it.

davie wrote:So..... to sum up

Marciano vs Dempsey
Dempsey vs Baer
Baer vs Marciano

Now that we have debated it extensively, The Manassa Mauler vs the Livermore Larupper vs the Brockton Blockbuster, who wins?

Dempsey... He gets close, was a great infighter, threw shorter punches, and was too big a hitter and too speedy for Bear... Hands too fast, and too tough, too strong, and too hard hitting for Marciano... Those are good match-ups because all 3 are pure fighters... None of them bothered a whole lot with jabbing or scientific boxing so I imagine they would be big box office like Louis-Baer -- a non-title fight that jammed Yankee Stadium with 96 thousand.

The commentators didn't catch the thumb strike and palming to start the 3rd... But Lampley mentioned Lewis's "roughhouse tactics which we might have expected" shortly after the fouls, which means he saw something he didn't think was right... They're not on top of the action like the corrupt referee was, so they don’t see everything...

Foreman said "The referee has to stop this holding and hitting by Lennox Lewis" ANY foul blow that contributes to a cut justifies going to the scorecards... YOU saw Lewis deliberately and flagrantly palm Vitali in the face and the corrupt referee warn him in cursory fashion.. So the referee knew that fouls contributed to the cuts at the very least, and you know it because you saw the deliberate fouling after I posted it...

You're deliberately avoiding mentioning the palming and warning because it destroys your argument.

Oh GTH... You're so damned dense you're not worth trying to communicate with... I showed you footage of Lewis palming Klitschko...with the referee warning Lewis for palming... and you're ignoring it... Palming obviously contributed to the cuts that eventually stopped the fight... Just from that incident it made the cuts worse.

I also showed you footage of the commentators saying "right there, that's the punch that did it" on the replay between rounds 3 and 4... talking about the right hand thumb strike -- which was followed by the palm rake across Vitali's face which slashed open 3 wounds on Vitali's eyelid and cheek... I can't help it if you're so stupid, biased, and blind you can't or won't see or acknowledge that Lewis was guilty of egregious fouling.

Was it Mancini who tried to get Bramble to cut his dreads, claiming they would cut his face? - it was a no go, but someone did make such a claim.

golden oldie wrote:

Kalan wrote:Oh GTH... You're so damned dense you're not worth trying to communicate with... I showed you footage of Lewis palming Klitschko...with the referee warning Lewis for palming... and you're ignoring it... Palming obviously contributed to the cuts that eventually stopped the fight... Just from that incident it made the cuts worse.

I also showed you footage of the commentators saying "right there, that's the punch that did it" on the replay between rounds 3 and 4... talking about the right hand thumb strike -- which was followed by the palm rake across Vitali's face which slashed open 3 wounds on Vitali's eyelid and cheek... I can't help it if you're so stupid, biased, and blind you can't or won't see or acknowledge that Lewis was guilty of egregious fouling.

More lies.

When they said " that is the punch that caused the cut " there was NO mention of it being a foul or NO mention of any thumb.

You have now changed your story from " thumb strikes " and " palm slashing " causing the damage to Vitali, to they CONTRIBUTED to the damage. So which is it? I still prefer the dreadlocks version, at least it is funny, yours is just BS.

I didn't change a damned thing and you're full of lies. You saw the palming by Lewis and refuse to acknowledge his fouls.

The first thumb strike and palm rake to start the 3rd round caused the initial damage... But if Lewis has the referee in his pocket, and the ref is staring right at the foul blows and not calling them, then the commentators can miss that it was a thumb strike and holding and hitting palm slash that ripped open the 3 deep, jagged cuts on Vitali's face---which in those few seconds were the ONLY serious cuts Vitali EVER suffered in his entire career. And it was the only fight Lewis ever won on cuts. But when Lewis committed more palming fouls later in the fight, they contributed to worsening the cuts that eventually stopped the fight. You go to the cards for that reason alone. It's the only fair thing, because after Lewis was almost knocked out in the first 2 rounds he started fouling like a bastard.. The only fair decision in that fight was: Klitschko wins by Unanimous Technical Decision 6 because Klitschko was winning on all scorecards.

You wouldn't understand it with the help of an English professor, because you don't want to understand it.

The first 2 right hand blows to start the 3rd round were patently illegal.. The later palm rakes that the referee obviously saw were also illegal.. That's putting the palm of your glove in your opponent's face and swiping with it to cause facial damage.. If the referee is bribed that can work for you.

There's a lot of underhanded corruption in Boxing and everybody with any intelligence knows it after decades of observation.. Because the Heavyweight Title and other World Titles are worth millions of dollars to the people who own them -- judges and referees are often bribed to favor one boxer over the other.. You often hear fighters say "I have to knock him out to win. They're not going to give me a decision." That's because they've seen so many horrible decisions.

Lou Moret was the referee for Lewis-Klitschko.. He's been involved with some swarmy stuff.. When you watch the Guerrero-Berto fight you see Moret ignoring at least 100 fouls.. Wrestling, thumb strikes, holding and hitting, the whole bit.. As Guerrero holds Berto's head with 1 hand and pounds him with the other hand, Max Kellerman yells, "SHADES OF LENNOX LEWIS!!!" to laughter from the HBO crew -- because the fouling got too much.. With the final bell clanging away -- Guerrero continued to unload a barrage of 20 or so punches after the final bell... He had absolutely no fear of any penalty.