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J wrote:

speaking of which the new 100 m champ looks clean huh
bult like a bloody body builder with a opne year ban in the past for testing positive for amphetamines.

Came fomr no-where, more or less unheard of prior to this season.

Hmm smells a bit fishy to me.

I could of course just be a bitter twisted individual but I wouldnt be surprised if he does test postive again at some point .

Justin Gatlin? He was impressive indoors last season or the season before and has only been on the international scene for a few years as he'd been on the American College circuit so I'd be surprised if he'd had a one year ban before???

Now the female athlete from Belarus who won the womens 100m seems more suspicious to me. I'm very skeptical about Eastern European athletes.

And I don't think anyone's mentioned the Greek weightlifter who won a medal but then failed a drugs test.

MightyWarrior wrote:Excuse me if I've missed this in the thread somewhere, but how did those two Greek sprinters get past the drugs test in Sydney, if everyone had suspicions at the time?

Probably stopped using them in enough time before the competition started. They had both raised suspicion for a number of years because they rarely competed in athletics meeting outside of Greece.

bollocks wrote:One of our girls Jana Pittman is in the 400 hurdles (surprise world champ from last year). Recently tore a knee ligament ala Tyson, although unlike Tyson's "ouch ouch my knee hurts" caper she's back running 10 days after the operation and is in the finals

Was it Michelle Smith the Irish swimmer who killed everyone at the '96 olympics then quickly disappeared

Jana Pittman seems genuine enough for me.

Matchfixer wrote:

J wrote:

speaking of which the new 100 m champ looks clean huh
bult like a bloody body builder with a opne year ban in the past for testing positive for amphetamines.

Came fomr no-where, more or less unheard of prior to this season.

Hmm smells a bit fishy to me.

I could of course just be a bitter twisted individual but I wouldnt be surprised if he does test postive again at some point .

Justin Gatlin? He was impressive indoors last season or the season before and has only been on the international scene for a few years as he'd been on the American College circuit so I'd be surprised if he'd had a one year ban before???

Now the female athlete from Belarus who won the womens 100m seems more suspicious to me. I'm very skeptical about Eastern European athletes.

And I don't think anyone's mentioned the Greek weightlifter who won a medal but then failed a drugs test.

he was hardly a favourite to win it tho, guy is massive, Im not saying defo he is abusing steroids but I wouldnt be surprised.

Gatlin, 27, who suffers from attention deficit disorder, was banned for two years in 2001 after testing positive for amphetamines.

glittermonkey wrote:

Matchfixer wrote:

bollocks wrote:Greek athlete under suspicion of drugs (she's been accused of taking 'attractive pills'. We all know Greek women are NOT this good looking)

She set an olympic record in the semi of the 400m hurdles yesterday. I'm very suspicious about this.

Exactly. An Olympic record for a previously unheralded athlete isn't totally unheard of, but those drugs-testers will surely be analysing her urine as we speak.

she's improved her PB by way over a second in the last week. It's so obvious when you see these sudden improvements. Same with Olga Yegorova and that steeplechase Morrocan(?) who broke the world record a couple of seasons back. It's what turns me off the sport.

You get all these Russian middle distance runners. They run some awesome times early in the season..then when the major championships come along they dont live up to the expectations...why? blatently cos th testing is stepped up..and they wont get away with it otherwise.

the sport is a shambles...having said that...i enjoyed last night's 100m and looking forward to watching Holmes tonight...she'll get a Silver at least. Dean Macey also....when you see athletes like him, struggle through injury like he has done..and come through it..the fair way....it makes me so sick when i see cheats.

rant over.....relax....

The build up to the 100m was really good. Bit of a shame Powell choked a bit although you could see how happy that made Mo Greene.

Thinking about it Gatlin was always going to have a good chance with that lane draw. On his left side he's got the guy from Ghana who isn't a huge threat, and on his right side he's got his mate.

Kilburn wrote:The build up to the 100m was really good. Bit of a shame Powell choked a bit although you could see how happy that made Mo Greene.

Thinking about it Gatlin was always going to have a good chance with that lane draw. On his left side he's got the guy from Ghana who isn't a huge threat, and on his right side he's got his mate.

yeah, Gatlin has been a bit of a dissapointment up until now for me. Early last season he looked real good...and he did well just to make the American team for the Olympics. But last night the pressure was off...and everything clicked and he ran the race of his life. Powell and Crawford both chocked. See how much Crawford's shoulders were rolling? and Powell was no nowhere near as relaxed as he was when he ran 9.95 jogging. You're right, Mo Greene loved it.

adamiw wrote:

Kilburn wrote:The build up to the 100m was really good. Bit of a shame Powell choked a bit although you could see how happy that made Mo Greene.

Thinking about it Gatlin was always going to have a good chance with that lane draw. On his left side he's got the guy from Ghana who isn't a huge threat, and on his right side he's got his mate.

yeah, Gatlin has been a bit of a dissapointment up until now for me. Early last season he looked real good...and he did well just to make the American team for the Olympics. But last night the pressure was off...and everything clicked and he ran the race of his life. Powell and Crawford both chocked. See how much Crawford's shoulders were rolling? and Powell was no nowhere near as relaxed as he was when he ran 9.95 jogging. You're right, Mo Greene loved it.

Crawford's shoulders were like that throughout the whole competition. I think it's because he has a very lop-sided running action (although having to chase people down made it even more pronounced). As he comes out of his blocks he tends to lean to his right. I've no doubt he could be the fastest of those on show yesterday, he just needs a few tweaks here and there.

glittermonkey wrote:

adamiw wrote:

Kilburn wrote:The build up to the 100m was really good. Bit of a shame Powell choked a bit although you could see how happy that made Mo Greene.

Thinking about it Gatlin was always going to have a good chance with that lane draw. On his left side he's got the guy from Ghana who isn't a huge threat, and on his right side he's got his mate.

yeah, Gatlin has been a bit of a dissapointment up until now for me. Early last season he looked real good...and he did well just to make the American team for the Olympics. But last night the pressure was off...and everything clicked and he ran the race of his life. Powell and Crawford both chocked. See how much Crawford's shoulders were rolling? and Powell was no nowhere near as relaxed as he was when he ran 9.95 jogging. You're right, Mo Greene loved it.

Crawford's shoulders were like that throughout the whole competition. I think it's because he has a very lop-sided running action (although having to chase people down made it even more pronounced). As he comes out of his blocks he tends to lean to his right. I've no doubt he could be the fastest of those on show yesterday, he just needs a few tweaks here and there.

yeah...he's still got the 200m which will be a hugely interesting event...with Gatlin, Crawford and Obikwelu going at it again...along with some others.

adamiw wrote:

glittermonkey wrote:

adamiw wrote: yeah, Gatlin has been a bit of a dissapointment up until now for me. Early last season he looked real good...and he did well just to make the American team for the Olympics. But last night the pressure was off...and everything clicked and he ran the race of his life. Powell and Crawford both chocked. See how much Crawford's shoulders were rolling? and Powell was no nowhere near as relaxed as he was when he ran 9.95 jogging. You're right, Mo Greene loved it.

Crawford's shoulders were like that throughout the whole competition. I think it's because he has a very lop-sided running action (although having to chase people down made it even more pronounced). As he comes out of his blocks he tends to lean to his right. I've no doubt he could be the fastest of those on show yesterday, he just needs a few tweaks here and there.

yeah...he's still got the 200m which will be a hugely interesting event...with Gatlin, Crawford and Obikwelu going at it again...along with some others.

200m is supposed to be Crawford's better event, and it'll be interesting if Powell takes part aswell. From what i've seen of Powell over this year, he strikes me as someone who'll do better in the 200. I'm not holding out much hope for our guys though.

Take it no Bernard Williams this year then?

glittermonkey wrote:

adamiw wrote:

glittermonkey wrote: Crawford's shoulders were like that throughout the whole competition. I think it's because he has a very lop-sided running action (although having to chase people down made it even more pronounced). As he comes out of his blocks he tends to lean to his right. I've no doubt he could be the fastest of those on show yesterday, he just needs a few tweaks here and there.

yeah...he's still got the 200m which will be a hugely interesting event...with Gatlin, Crawford and Obikwelu going at it again...along with some others.

200m is supposed to be Crawford's better event, and it'll be interesting if Powell takes part aswell. From what i've seen of Powell over this year, he strikes me as someone who'll do better in the 200. I'm not holding out much hope for our guys though.

is he entered into it? I've never seen him run 200m before...cool if he is.

Our guys will struggle, especially with Campbell not 100%. I'd be surprised if we get a finalist. If Christian Malcom can run close to his best, which is something like 20.09 then he'll definately be there...but i dont think he's ran under 20.30 so far this year. Our best chance of a getting a sprinting medal will be in the relay as ling as we can get the batton around, i can see us getting a bronze, possibly silver.

The World Anti Doping Agency has quietly been telling the media that they have a battery of new tests that althletes and coaches are unaware of, that's why we're seeing so many positive tests - and that's the scuttlebutt on why the two Greek runners "missed" their test in the athlete's village - they'd been tipped that there was no way they'd pass.

Just like when Ben Johnson got caught in '88, athletes today go into competiton believing their particular cocktail can't yet be detected. And then they get caught by new science. But many more are successfully ahead of the advances in testing.

Add in the shifty national bodies, such as USTFA, which has historically ignored and/or covered up for athletes and WADA is fighting an uphill battle - and always will be. The Yanks are putting on a show now in hopes of landing the Games in New York in 2012 (I believe) but they've also had their hand forced by the criminal investigation into the BALCO lab scandal.

The guys in the 100m have all the characteristics that raised eyebrows in '88 with big Ben (except they're only now meeting his times). Carl Lewis had a shadow over his career. Florence Griffith Joyner breaks the women's 100m recored by 2/3 of a second (10.49 s!!!) in '88, promptly retires, and then dies of a mysterious heart ailment a decade later. Even the great Marion Jones hasn't come close to that record, and even she's suspected of doping.

It'll always be there. But at least these results still depend on one man or woman actually running the event. Not some damn horse.

Shawn Craford has always been a 200m runner in my mind - I was surprised to see him do so well in the 100m but he's a lot bigger (muscle bulk) than the slim guy he was a few seasons ago. Dwayne Chambers noticeably got really bulky in the last few seasons and look what happened to him.

Regarding drug testing and evasion... The most worrying tale I've read is the trend for DIY blood infusions. Not sure exactly what it is or whether it involved cyclists but I didn't like the sound of it. Perhaps someone here knows more?

harley_man wrote:The Yanks are putting on a show now in hopes of landing the Games in New York in 2012 (I believe)

How the bloody hell can the USA get the games in 1984, 1996 and then again in 2012? I'm not saying they wouldn't make a good job of it but FFS lets give some other bugger a chance.

Ballsy move. Or self-serving...

"Gatlin's coach claims responsibility for THG source"

CBC SPORTS ONLINE - Hours after Justin Gatlin stunned the world by winning Olympic gold in the 100 metres, his coach made a surprise admission on Sunday, revealing he was the anonymous source that sparked a doping investigation that rocked the world of athletics over the past several months.

Trevor Graham, coach of the newly crowned Olympic 100-metre sprint champion, told the Reuters news agency Monday that he was the man who sent a syringe of the designer drug tetrahydrogestrinone, or THG, to the United States Anti-Doping Agency in June 2003.

"I did it. As a coach it seemed the right thing to do at the time and it still does," he said. "Would I do it again? Yes."

After receiving the drug, the USADA had it studied at UCLA laboratories, where it was determined to be a designer steroid modified to escape detection in testing. The USADA came up with a test for the new drug and began to re-test urine samples.

Graham, a then-anonymous track and field coach, fingered the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), a San Francisco-based nutritional supplements lab, and its founder Victor Conte, as the source of THG.

As a result, the BALCO labs were raided by agents from the U.S. Internal Revenue Service and the San Mateo County Narcotics Task Force.

CBC track analyst Donovan Bailey said Graham was one of a handful of coaches rumoured to have sent the syringe to the USADA. Bailey believes Graham's actions have had a positive impact on the sport.

"At the end of the day, it's cleaned up track and field," Bailey told CBC's Brian Williams.

Track and field athletes charged with doping violations as a result of the BALCO investigation have included Tim Montgomery, Alvin Harrison, Kelli White, Michelle Collins, Chryste Gaines, Dwain Chambers and Kevin Toth.

The scandal reached the world of pro sports as well, with baseball's Barry Bonds and boxer Shane Mosley among those subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury.

The grand jury indicted Conte, his vice-president Jim Valente, track coach Remi Korchemmy – Chambers's trainer – and Greg Anderson, Bonds' personal trainer.

On Oct. 24, 2003, the IOC added THG to the list of banned substances included in its drug tests for the 2004 Athens Olympics.

Written by CBC Sports Online staff

A new olympic sport we can all be proud of. Olympic Sitting There Not Doing Anything.

Loads of people sitting on a couch, slobbing about. Burping, farting and scratching yourself are permitted. As are the action of lifting beer to your mouth and back to the table.

There are judges watching, who score you marks out of ten. As always, the Russians give nobody anything, the Germans are generous to everybody except the UK, but for some reason the UK give the Germans top marks every time anyway and the Ukrainians don't seem to care what happens because they have won the Eurovision Song Contest anyway.

ive beginning to get quite excited here. ive never started a post which has had 100 replies and this is on 93 already!! ooooh the tension

i hope the post doesnt do "a paula" ie.. get close to the end (say 99) then stop!!

It's only 93 because everyone has decided to make it the official thread for the Olympics. I doubt it has anything to do with you.

I was only joking.

Look, i'm helping you.

neil r wrote:ive beginning to get quite excited here. ive never started a post which has had 100 replies and this is on 93 already!! ooooh the tension

i hope the post doesnt do "a paula" ie.. get close to the end (say 99) then stop!!

It might get to 96, run a few more replies to 98 and then fail. You will then be called this thread's British hero.

table tennis. Thats not a sport.

MightyWarrior wrote:Excuse me if I've missed this in the thread somewhere, but how did those two Greek sprinters get past the drugs test in Sydney, if everyone had suspicions at the time?

They didn't have reliable tests for some widely-used doping agents back in 2000, for instance the tests for HGH and EPO are being used for the first time this Olympics.

But I'm sure there's still a crapload of doping going on. With the massive incentives to win, there's probably a lot more money flowing into pro-doping research than into anti-doping.

The chick who won the Women's 100m was definitely suspicious - never ran under 11 seconds until just recently, then magically runs under 11 in every one of here Olympic heats. I hope I'm wrong, and she just happened to genuinely find some improvement in her technique or form this year. That's the corrosive effect of wide-scale doping - it causes one to be suspicious of all outstanding performances, some of which surely are genuine.

Oh, in non-doping news but along the lines of Olympic controversy, read an interesting bit about the gold medal flap in the men's gymnatsic all-around competition:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/o ... ml?cnn=yes

Apparently if you want to go back and re-evaluate the Korean gymnast Yang's parallel-bar routine, his routine's starting value should have been 10.0 rather than 9.9, but he should have also been penalized an added 0.2 points for an illegal extra handhold. So he would've wound off a tenth of a point worse overall. Also interesting in that the determination of the routine's starting value is something that cannot be made in advance, i.e. isn't as cut and dried as many of the shrill media reports would have one believe.

they could of done a maradona and a plastic willy