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...actually, Jacobs made GGG look human which might be a rude awakening to some..however, the older, the smaller and lighter boxer landed more, outjabbed Jacobs in almost every round and dropped him once..props to both boxers..it was close but GGG won legit..

greg wrote:outjabbed Jacobs in almost every round

So what? Jabs are weak punches.

Jacobs landed more power punches, which are the punches that matter.

Horse wrote:So what? Jabs are weak punches.

Ever saw Michael Watson vs Nigel benn?
Kessler vs Haussler?

crow wrote:Ever saw Michael Watson vs Nigel benn?
Kessler vs Haussler?

There was nothing exceptionable about Golovkin's jab against Jacobs.

He landed a few good power jabs, but most were just basic jabs.

Horse wrote:

greg wrote:outjabbed Jacobs in almost every round

So what? Jabs are weak punches.

Jacobs landed more power punches, which are the punches that matter.

..are there any rules in boxing telling that power punches are scored differently than stiff jabs?

greg wrote:..are there any rules in boxing telling that power punches are scored differently than stiff jabs?

You score jabs equally to power punches?

Some people.

Horse wrote:

greg wrote:..are there any rules in boxing telling that power punches are scored differently than stiff jabs?

You score jabs equally to power punches?

Some people.

I am not as impressed as some on here about 3G's jab in this fight. While he did out jab Jacobs, I do not think that 3G won that aspect of the fight by as much as some are claiming.

Jacobs also jabbed quite well at times during the fight. Jacobs absolutely did superior body work than 3G accomplished, and that was not close.

It was a close fight that I believe the judges got right.

Horse wrote:

greg wrote:..are there any rules in boxing telling that power punches are scored differently than stiff jabs?

You score jabs equally to power punches?

Some people.

...it's not about me, it's about the rules of the sport..

Tanzio wrote:

Horse wrote:

greg wrote:..are there any rules in boxing telling that power punches are scored differently than stiff jabs?

You score jabs equally to power punches?

Some people.

I am not as impressed as some on here about 3G's jab in this fight. While he did out jab Jacobs, I do not think that 3G won that aspect of the fight by as much as some are claiming.

Jacobs also jabbed quite well at times during the fight. Jacobs absolutely did superior body work than 3G accomplished, and that was not close.

It was a close fight that I believe the judges got right.

GGG very clearly outjabbed Jacobs when he was in an orthodox stance. When Jacobs switched to southpaw, it negated GGG's jab and he landed some right hand jabs himself - some of which were counted as power punches by CompuBox, by the looks of it.

jezzamundo wrote:GGG very clearly outjabbed Jacobs when he was in an orthodox stance. When Jacobs switched to southpaw, it negated GGG's jab and he landed some right hand jabs himself - some of which were counted as power punches by CompuBox, by the looks of it.

I can imagine that they have a few problems doing the punch stats for switch-hitters.

Golovkin 114-113

2nd Viewing

Rd 1 to 5 Golovkin plus the KD in 4.
Round 6 Jacobs clear.
Round 7 and 8 Jacobs, not so clear, could have been even for both.
Red 9 to Golovkin, close to KOing Jacobs in my opinion.
Rd 10 Jacobs
Rd 11 Jacobs, he finished stronger and this is where Jacobs lands his hardest shot of the fight, but close up until the end.
Rd 12 Could be a 10 - 10

6 clear rounds to Golovkin plus a KD.
Jacobs ran and held. He put nothing on his shots until he landed a good shot at the end of the 11th. He was known as a puncher, that reputation helped him a great deal as Golovkin came in cautious and continued that way through the fight. But he was not a puncher in there and never tried to be. Very awkward looking and thrown punches, no weight behind them. The running and holding worked in that he survived but he didn't win the fight.

Not the Golovkin we are used to seeing. Messy fight lots of ref stoppages, I'd like to thank Virgil Hunter for that.

It's strange to me that someone can have Jamie McDonnell pitter-patting his way to a win over Solis, yet then dismiss the jab as a weak punch and go by power shots when it comes to GGG-Jacobs.

Solis landed with more effect than Jacobs did, causing McD's nose to seriously bleed throughout and putting him on the retreat for large portions of rounds, with McD looking quite wary in the process. For the most part, McD could only muster flicking jabs that were thrown from too far out (GGG's were much stiffer and more accurate), and he obviously didn't drop Solis or hurt him as badly as GGG hurt Jacobs in the 9th.

Solis landed the best shots in most of the rounds, and clearly did more damage then McDonnell.

Freedom2013 wrote:

Evander wrote:Now we have had arguably the top 2 Eastern fighters in Kovalev and Golovkin go up against a brother from Oakland and Brooklyn and been held.

They both won, Kovalev a bit more widely than Golovkin, thankfully the judges were more honest in New York than Las Vegas.

Kovalev 116-111 on my card, I can see 115-112
Golovkin 114-113 on my card, I can see 115-112

But your right, both Ward and Jacobs did a lot of holding to survive being KOed.

Ha good quip, but there was no breakthrough overall.

crow wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Listen mate watched round 1 three times all up in slow motion go do the same and be real round 1 was a toss of the coin that's the truth but all the judges gave GGG that round.

You watched the first rd three times alright; but IT WAS THE WRONG FIGHT

The first rd i saw showed Gennady repeatedly landing his hard jab on Danny's mandibule while evading incoming shots and taking the center of the ring.
Together with the 4 and 9 rds, it was one of the most easiest to score rds proving domination by GGG.

If you still want to yapp about it, i challenge you to a blow by blow recap of that rd.

crusader wrote:It's strange to me that someone can have Jamie McDonnell pitter-patting his way to a win over Solis, yet then dismiss the jab as a weak punch and go by power shots when it comes to GGG-Jacobs.

Solis landed with more effect than Jacobs did, causing McD's nose to seriously bleed throughout and putting him on the retreat for large portions of rounds, with McD looking quite wary in the process. For the most part, McD could only muster flicking jabs that were thrown from too far out (GGG's were much stiffer and more accurate), and he obviously didn't drop Solis or hurt him as badly as GGG hurt Jacobs in the 9th.

Solis landed the best shots in most of the rounds, and clearly did more damage then McDonnell.

Get over it.

Imo, GGG won the fight 7 to 5 rounds. It was a good fairy close fight, but I wouldn't say it could have went the other way. GGG won.

lazboy wrote:2nd Viewing

Rd 1 to 5 Golovkin plus the KD in 4.
Round 6 Jacobs clear.
Round 7 and 8 Jacobs, not so clear, could have been even for both.
Red 9 to Golovkin, close to KOing Jacobs in my opinion.
Rd 10 Jacobs
Rd 11 Jacobs, he finished stronger and this is where Jacobs lands his hardest shot of the fight, but close up until the end.
Rd 12 Could be a 10 - 10

6 clear rounds to Golovkin plus a KD.
Jacobs ran and held. He put nothing on his shots until he landed a good shot at the end of the 11th. He was known as a puncher, that reputation helped him a great deal as Golovkin came in cautious and continued that way through the fight. But he was not a puncher in there and never tried to be. Very awkward looking and thrown punches, no weight behind them. The running and holding worked in that he survived but he didn't win the fight.

Not the Golovkin we are used to seeing. Messy fight lots of ref stoppages, I'd like to thank Virgil Hunter for that.

Why 12 and 7-8 could be 10-10 rounds why so many even rounds.

greg wrote:

Compubox is bullsh!t.

Someone should start a service that actually counts the punches accurately, verifying the count from multiple angles and with the assistance of slow motion post fight. Compubox is essentially more realtime human subjectivity.

lazboy wrote:2nd Viewing

Rd 1 to 5 Golovkin plus the KD in 4.
Round 6 Jacobs clear.
Round 7 and 8 Jacobs, not so clear, could have been even for both.
Red 9 to Golovkin, close to KOing Jacobs in my opinion.
Rd 10 Jacobs
Rd 11 Jacobs, he finished stronger and this is where Jacobs lands his hardest shot of the fight, but close up until the end.
Rd 12 Could be a 10 - 10

6 clear rounds to Golovkin plus a KD.
Jacobs ran and held. He put nothing on his shots until he landed a good shot at the end of the 11th. He was known as a puncher, that reputation helped him a great deal as Golovkin came in cautious and continued that way through the fight. But he was not a puncher in there and never tried to be. Very awkward looking and thrown punches, no weight behind them. The running and holding worked in that he survived but he didn't win the fight.

Not the Golovkin we are used to seeing. Messy fight lots of ref stoppages, I'd like to thank Virgil Hunter for that.

Interesting take - for me the first three were all swing round that could be score to either fighter. GGG obviously gets a 10-8 for the 4th and wins the 5th, Jacobs took the 6th and 7th. From there, I thought GGG edged the 8th, won the 9th, then Jacobs edged the 10th and 11th and GGG won the 12th. I think GGG was the rightful winner, but it could have reasonably been scored either way.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

crow wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Listen mate watched round 1 three times all up in slow motion go do the same and be real round 1 was a toss of the coin that's the truth but all the judges gave GGG that round.

You watched the first rd three times alright; but IT WAS THE WRONG FIGHT

The first rd i saw showed Gennady repeatedly landing his hard jab on Danny's mandibule while evading incoming shots and taking the center of the ring.
Together with the 4 and 9 rds, it was one of the most easiest to score rds proving domination by GGG.

If you still want to yapp about it, i challenge you to a blow by blow recap of that rd.

Round 1 is a swing round that could reasonably be scored for either fighter IMO - interesting that all three judges saw it for GGG. On the other hand, 2 of 3 judges scored Round 12 to Jacobs, when I saw it as a close but clear round to GGG.

jezzamundo wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

crow wrote:
You watched the first rd three times alright; but IT WAS THE WRONG FIGHT

The first rd i saw showed Gennady repeatedly landing his hard jab on Danny's mandibule while evading incoming shots and taking the center of the ring.
Together with the 4 and 9 rds, it was one of the most easiest to score rds proving domination by GGG.

If you still want to yapp about it, i challenge you to a blow by blow recap of that rd.

Round 1 is a swing round that could reasonably be scored for either fighter IMO - interesting that all three judges saw it for GGG. On the other hand, 2 of 3 judges scored Round 12 to Jacobs, when I saw it as a close but clear round to GGG.

Jacobs landed close to nothing in round 1, while GGG landed a few good jabs.

world ranked wrote:

lazboy wrote:2nd Viewing

Rd 1 to 5 Golovkin plus the KD in 4.
Round 6 Jacobs clear.
Round 7 and 8 Jacobs, not so clear, could have been even for both.
Red 9 to Golovkin, close to KOing Jacobs in my opinion.
Rd 10 Jacobs
Rd 11 Jacobs, he finished stronger and this is where Jacobs lands his hardest shot of the fight, but close up until the end.
Rd 12 Could be a 10 - 10

6 clear rounds to Golovkin plus a KD.
Jacobs ran and held. He put nothing on his shots until he landed a good shot at the end of the 11th. He was known as a puncher, that reputation helped him a great deal as Golovkin came in cautious and continued that way through the fight. But he was not a puncher in there and never tried to be. Very awkward looking and thrown punches, no weight behind them. The running and holding worked in that he survived but he didn't win the fight.

Not the Golovkin we are used to seeing. Messy fight lots of ref stoppages, I'd like to thank Virgil Hunter for that.

Why 12 and 7-8 could be 10-10 rounds why so many even rounds.

I did give them to Jacobs, 7 and 8 but.....really what I saw, Golovkin came in strong for the first minute or so, there there was a bit of back and forth and then Jacobs finished the rounds stronger in the last 30. I just didn't want to discount what Golovkin was doing earlier on in the rounds. The way I saw 12 was very messy, it was back and forth, I appreciate the compubox numbers have golovkin outlanding but I didn't see enough clean punches by either to call it for either.

jezzamundo wrote:

lazboy wrote:2nd Viewing

Rd 1 to 5 Golovkin plus the KD in 4.
Round 6 Jacobs clear.
Round 7 and 8 Jacobs, not so clear, could have been even for both.
Red 9 to Golovkin, close to KOing Jacobs in my opinion.
Rd 10 Jacobs
Rd 11 Jacobs, he finished stronger and this is where Jacobs lands his hardest shot of the fight, but close up until the end.
Rd 12 Could be a 10 - 10

6 clear rounds to Golovkin plus a KD.
Jacobs ran and held. He put nothing on his shots until he landed a good shot at the end of the 11th. He was known as a puncher, that reputation helped him a great deal as Golovkin came in cautious and continued that way through the fight. But he was not a puncher in there and never tried to be. Very awkward looking and thrown punches, no weight behind them. The running and holding worked in that he survived but he didn't win the fight.

Not the Golovkin we are used to seeing. Messy fight lots of ref stoppages, I'd like to thank Virgil Hunter for that.

Interesting take - for me the first three were all swing round that could be score to either fighter. GGG obviously gets a 10-8 for the 4th and wins the 5th, Jacobs took the 6th and 7th. From there, I thought GGG edged the 8th, won the 9th, then Jacobs edged the 10th and 11th and GGG won the 12th. I think GGG was the rightful winner, but it could have reasonably been scored either way.

Just my opinion, and I'm aware of the compubox numbers but... in the first 5 rounds I really thought Golovkin clearly won (not the domination we are used to seeing mind you). I thought anything Jacobs was throwing was wild, ineffective, was hitting gloves, were glancing blows. Golovkin pierced him with that Jab numerous times, got some clean power punches too. Anyway, I'm not above being wrong......I said it in a reply before but the 12, even though compubox numbers had it for golovkin was a very difficult messy one to score so i made it even which is unrealistic for today's judging.