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goose 5 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 16:01 Very good point on the first Tarver bout. I had the Jones-Harding bout 4-4 after 8 and I really believe that Harding's injury prevented a very controversial decision from happening. Of course, Jones claimed he didn't train much for Harding.

Jones was completely dominating Harding, who was glad to quit.

Doctor stopped it due to a biceps injury. Scoring is subjective-your opinion is good to know, thanks.

goose 5 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 17:08 Doctor stopped it due to a biceps injury. Scoring is subjective-your opinion is good to know, thanks.

Harding landed 50 punches. He quit, you're acting as if someone stepped in against his will. The cameras and mikes are all on him. He wanted out. No contemporary report of the fight agrees with your bizarre opinion, they all agree with mine.

Harding walks back to his corner at the end of ten and Al Gavin says, "That's it", and Harding shrugs.

Imagine thinking the p4p number 1 was in peril against an opponent who had landed 50 punches all night and whose body language was "get me out of here"

Jones called it his toughest bout in a newspaper interview after the fight. One of the judges agrees with my scoring(6-4) and one had jones ahead 8-2 . The third was 7-3. I'm convinced you are wrong and you are convinced I'm wrong. Like I said, it's subjective. What I'd like to know is whether or not Jones really didn't train hard for the bout, like he claimed.

As for contemporary accounts of the fight: The New York Daily News wrote, on 9-10-2000, "Jones was ahead on all 3 cards. That was generous by the judges." On 9-12-2000, the Associated press wrote " A number of reporters and a lot of fans had Harding ahead."(AP article from The Daily Advertiser, Lafayette, Louisiana).

I'd give the James Toney win a slight edge over the Bernard Hopkins one....Hopkins is a top 50 all time arguably, but the Toney win was so complete, it convinced me that Jones was a super star for the long run.

Biggest KO? Montell Griffith fight 2

Best opponent? Joe Calzaghe, another arguably top 50 all time fighter. I'd love seeing Calzaghe fight both Jones and Hopkins when they were younger but still, taking things strictly by face value, he beat both and went 46-0. Don't get much better than that!

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2021, 06:29 Hopkins is a top 50 all time

No way.

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2021, 06:50

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2021, 06:29 Hopkins is a top 50 all time

No way.

I mean...arguably... Im not sure about it myself..

goose 5 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 23:52 Jones called it his toughest bout in a newspaper interview after the fight. One of the judges agrees with my scoring(6-4) and one had jones ahead 8-2 . The third was 7-3. I'm convinced you are wrong and you are convinced I'm wrong. Like I said, it's subjective. What I'd like to know is whether or not Jones really didn't train hard for the bout, like he claimed.

I didnt see the fight....from the era it took place at, I must have been with my gang at a nude bar, a party or wrecking havoc and did not consider Harding such a threat when Jones Jr. was steamrolling people like Rick Frazier (a fight I actually stayed home and watched, go figure ) enough for me to stay home that night.

Which brings me to the question: Did Eric Harding give Roy Jones such a good fight????

In order

James toney
Virgil hill
John ruiz
Montell griffin
Tarver

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2021, 08:11

goose 5 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 23:52 Jones called it his toughest bout in a newspaper interview after the fight. One of the judges agrees with my scoring(6-4) and one had jones ahead 8-2 . The third was 7-3. I'm convinced you are wrong and you are convinced I'm wrong. Like I said, it's subjective. What I'd like to know is whether or not Jones really didn't train hard for the bout, like he claimed.

I didnt see the fight....from the era it took place at, I must have been with my gang at a nude bar, a party or wrecking havoc and did not consider Harding such a threat when Jones Jr. was steamrolling people like Rick Frazier (a fight I actually stayed home and watched, go figure ) enough for me to stay home that night.

Which brings me to the question: Did Eric Harding give Roy Jones such a good fight????

No.

You can go to YouTube and watch Eric Harding land all of 50 punches in 10 rounds (equivalent of 5 punches per round) before quitting.

Jones was too involved in the promotion and production of the event, personally doing jobs a team would normally handle. He didn't look his best, but the idea he was losing to a one armed, powder puff punching Harding is laughable.

The win against John Ruiz will always grab the headlines because ofthe historic achievement that it was...

But his victory against James Toney was on another level. He completely dominated him and people forget that Toney was a fearsome fighter back then, he was KOing all sorts of boys and was a reigning World Champion when Roy beat him... (Think he was undefeated too)

I would also put his victory over Bernard Hopkins in there as a close second. It probably did not have the hype and profile that it deserved at the time, but when you consider what Bernard went on to do at Middleweight... It strengthens Roy's victory over him.