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crusader wrote:Why wouldn't Takam be credible? He was very competitive with juiced up Povetkin, should've gotten a win over unbeaten Perez, and dominated Thompson with TT still had a bit left. He's been competitive with multiple contenders (unlike fat boy Stiverne), he isn't shot, and he wasn't clowned and stopped a few fights before by a Jennings type.

He's not an elite HW, but he'd arguably be at the very top of Wilder's resume.

Well this is it. He's not a terrible opponent, but still probably not very competitive, and is in my opinion, an easy win for Wilder. Our problem with Wilder is that he has only one top 10 opponent, and unfortunately a fight against Takam would not improve that situation.

All we can hope for, which unfortunately would require a wait, is that he takes on winner of Joshua/Klitschko at the end of the year.

Rob3_142 wrote:

crusader wrote:Why wouldn't Takam be credible? He was very competitive with juiced up Povetkin, should've gotten a win over unbeaten Perez, and dominated Thompson with TT still had a bit left. He's been competitive with multiple contenders (unlike fat boy Stiverne), he isn't shot, and he wasn't clowned and stopped a few fights before by a Jennings type.

He's not an elite HW, but he'd arguably be at the very top of Wilder's resume.

Well this is it. He's not a terrible opponent, but still probably not very competitive, and is in my opinion, an easy win for Wilder. Our problem with Wilder is that he has only one top 10 opponent, and unfortunately a fight against Takam would not improve that situation.

All we can hope for, which unfortunately would require a wait, is that he takes on winner of Joshua/Klitschko at the end of the year.

I think Takam would be competitive. He almost beat Joseph Parker. He never had a world title shot from the major sanctioning bodies, although he has won the World Boxing Federation heavyweight title and he won minor titles from the WBC and IBF. Maybe Tyson Fury will get in shape and he can fight Wilder.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:If Briggs wins his belt and Wilder continues to act like he's serious about his unification bullshit...

If Briggs beat Oquendo for that belt, Briggs still wouldn't be ranked Top 30. That's how meaningless that belt is.

That's because of the lawsuit lol, you can't blame Briggs for that. Molina, Duhaupas and Arreola weren't top 30 either at the time of their fights with Wilder. So Briggs fits that bill. The only difference is that Briggs has a lot bigger chance as any other opponent Deontay has ever had.

Briggs has basically no chance. He's shot to all hell. He's somehow fooled people like you into believing he's relevant. There's a reason why he's not Top 30.

Duhaupas, Molina and Arreola were Top 30 when they fought Wilder.

RScarf1 wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

crusader wrote:Why wouldn't Takam be credible? He was very competitive with juiced up Povetkin, should've gotten a win over unbeaten Perez, and dominated Thompson with TT still had a bit left. He's been competitive with multiple contenders (unlike fat boy Stiverne), he isn't shot, and he wasn't clowned and stopped a few fights before by a Jennings type.

He's not an elite HW, but he'd arguably be at the very top of Wilder's resume.

Well this is it. He's not a terrible opponent, but still probably not very competitive, and is in my opinion, an easy win for Wilder. Our problem with Wilder is that he has only one top 10 opponent, and unfortunately a fight against Takam would not improve that situation.

All we can hope for, which unfortunately would require a wait, is that he takes on winner of Joshua/Klitschko at the end of the year.

I think Takam would be competitive. He almost beat Joseph Parker. He never had a world title shot from the major sanctioning bodies, although he has won the World Boxing Federation heavyweight title and he won minor titles from the WBC and IBF. Maybe Tyson Fury will get in shape and he can fight Wilder.

I think how close Parker v Takam was more a reflection of Parker's performance than Takam's. Both were gassing pretty badly.

Fury is so far from a return it's absurd. He was still absolutely massive when he was last snapped on IFL, and from his interview, it didn't sound like he was in any rush to get back either. I personally don't believe we'll ever see him in a ring in a competitive match again.

Takam was also even with Povetkin going into the 9th, and he's beaten or been competitive with Povetkin, Parker, Perez, and Thompson.

Fighters no better and no more proven than him have had moments against Wilder. Takam isn't great, but it would at least be better than 'can't fight an top opponent, so let's fight a crappy one'

wilder joshua?They will report it after the Klicko in the ring yet?

I think there is a big possibility that Takam beats Wilder especially based on his performance vs Povetkin which I rank higher than DW. He punches pretty hard and he's not chinny despite being KO'ed by Sasha.

But he gassed heavily against Parker late on, and missed out on several opportunities in the middle rounds to press Parker when he was tired. Don't think he has the tools to worry Wilder. He lacks the reach or athleticism to get close enough to Wilder to really bother him for me. Even if Takam has a sturdy chin, Wilder lands heavy shots, and think he eventually crumbles.

Looks like Wilder will fight the winner of Helenius-Chisora.

http://www.BS.com/sauerland-ch ... er--115802

Helenius is a limited, mediocre heavyweight, on the same level as the usual Wilder opponents. He wasn't too bad at one time - he at least had power - but he appears to have been completely ruined by his long period of inactivity.

Chisora has multiple losses and is probably a shot fighter at the present time.

Freedom2013 wrote:Looks like Wilder will fight the winner of Helenius-Chisora.

http://www.BS.com/sauerland-ch ... er--115802

Helenius is a limited, mediocre heavyweight, on the same level as the usual Wilder opponents. He wasn't too bad at one time - he at least had power - but he appears to have been completely ruined by his long period of inactivity.

Chisora has multiple losses and is probably a shot fighter at the present time.

Oh dear. So no decent opponent for Whimper then?
Bah!

Freedom2013 wrote:Looks like Wilder will fight the winner of Helenius-Chisora.

http://www.BS.com/sauerland-ch ... er--115802

Helenius is a limited, mediocre heavyweight, on the same level as the usual Wilder opponents. He wasn't too bad at one time - he at least had power - but he appears to have been completely ruined by his long period of inactivity.

Chisora has multiple losses and is probably a shot fighter at the present time.

Chisora didn't look shot against Dillian Whyte to me. He's just not that good of a fighter and never was. He's the loser to the stars. That's his place in the sport. Good enough to beat the middle of the road guys, not good enough to ever beat a relevant opponent.

For years I've referred to him as Dereck "Loser to the Stars" Chisora.

Rob3_142 wrote:But he gassed heavily against Parker late on, and missed out on several opportunities in the middle rounds to press Parker when he was tired. Don't think he has the tools to worry Wilder. He lacks the reach or athleticism to get close enough to Wilder to really bother him for me. Even if Takam has a sturdy chin, Wilder lands heavy shots, and think he eventually crumbles.

Still, Takam is physically strong and goes forward , it may brother Wilder prettty much, he has the power that lets say Szpilka lacks as he is a blown up CW and it can make him to get inside and hit Wilders untested chin pretty hard

Rob3_142 wrote:But he gassed heavily against Parker late on, and missed out on several opportunities in the middle rounds to press Parker when he was tired. Don't think he has the tools to worry Wilder. He lacks the reach or athleticism to get close enough to Wilder to really bother him for me. Even if Takam has a sturdy chin, Wilder lands heavy shots, and think he eventually crumbles.

But, but,

Szpilka went life and death with Mike Mollo, and got clowned by Jennings, yet he still gave Wilder issues; Molina had Deontay on rubber legs despite being previously knocked out twice in the first round; Gerald Washington is stiff, timid, got a lucky draw against Mansour and seriously struggled with Nagy Aguilera, yet was arguably shutting out Wilder going into the 5th. Wilder simply isn't good enough to consistently breeze through decent opponents, even if they've got their flaws and have struggled with previous opposition.

Takam has a good chin, respectable power, is skilled for a come forward fighter (see him landing that jab against Povetkin), and has been competitive every time he's faced good opposition. I'd still pick Wilder, but Takam is solid and you're brushing him aside too easily...he'd very arguably be Wilder's best opponent.

Another thing, Parker and Povetkin are considered by many to be among the top HWs--fighters whom Wilder is often mentioned alongside--and Takam was competitive with both of them. If Wilder blew through him it would make a statement....

Guys like that shouldn't be dismissed as no ones

I think if we all chip in, we can get a wee jar of this and make him an opponent worthy of his alleged greatness

http://www.BS.com/tyson-fury-n ... op--115806

In my eyes, if Wilder's next opponent isn't against someone like the Parker/Fury winner, or the Joshua/Wlad winner, I will be hugely disappointed. Please not another Stiverne re-run. Its time to see how good this guy actually is.

I still consider Takam to be borderline top 10. There's really no way right now to distinguish exactly how to rank Haye, Whyte, Stiverne, Takam, and Chisora relative to each other; other than to rank Chisora below Whyte and clearly below a healthy Haye. To be any more accurate than that, they would have to fight opponents who are somewhere in the #9 - #16 range.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
If Briggs beat Oquendo for that belt, Briggs still wouldn't be ranked Top 30. That's how meaningless that belt is.

That's because of the lawsuit lol, you can't blame Briggs for that. Molina, Duhaupas and Arreola weren't top 30 either at the time of their fights with Wilder. So Briggs fits that bill. The only difference is that Briggs has a lot bigger chance as any other opponent Deontay has ever had.

Briggs has basically no chance. He's shot to all hell. He's somehow fooled people like you into believing he's relevant. There's a reason why he's not Top 30.

Duhaupas, Molina and Arreola were Top 30 when they fought Wilder.

he's ranked that low because of inactivety and his focus on guys who should be ranked way lower as they actually are, like Wilder, Haye, Browne, Klitschko, name them.

And no, they were not rank 30, or at least not on boxrec.

I'm not saying Takam is terrible, because he is not. What I am saying though, is that fighting the likes of Takam does not solve the problem of Wilder fighting a top level fighter. If Wilder v Takam was announced tomorrow, I would predict that a majority of the boxing public would be disappointed.

I would argue that Takam is the same level as Stiverne at his prime.

KiwiRider wrote:I think if we all chip in, we can get a wee jar of this and make him an opponent worthy of his alleged greatness

http://www.BS.com/tyson-fury-n ... op--115806

Wow, this deserves its own thread altogether. Is this for real? Has Fury already pissed all his money?

Rob3_142 wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:I think if we all chip in, we can get a wee jar of this and make him an opponent worthy of his alleged greatness

http://www.BS.com/tyson-fury-n ... op--115806

Wow, this deserves its own thread altogether. Is this for real? Has Fury already pissed all his money?

Here's another article about it. He is selling his sperm. Who would want a child to be like Tyson Fury???

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/fo ... n-10265206

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: That's because of the lawsuit lol, you can't blame Briggs for that. Molina, Duhaupas and Arreola weren't top 30 either at the time of their fights with Wilder. So Briggs fits that bill. The only difference is that Briggs has a lot bigger chance as any other opponent Deontay has ever had.

Briggs has basically no chance. He's shot to all hell. He's somehow fooled people like you into believing he's relevant. There's a reason why he's not Top 30.

Duhaupas, Molina and Arreola were Top 30 when they fought Wilder.

he's ranked that low because of inactivety and his focus on guys who should be ranked way lower as they actually are, like Wilder, Haye, Browne, Klitschko, name them.

And no, they were not rank 30, or at least not on boxrec.

Boxrec's rankings aren't very good. They're good as a reference for who's active in the division, but guys will often be well out of place in their rankings.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Briggs has basically no chance. He's shot to all hell. He's somehow fooled people like you into believing he's relevant. There's a reason why he's not Top 30.

Duhaupas, Molina and Arreola were Top 30 when they fought Wilder.

he's ranked that low because of inactivety and his focus on guys who should be ranked way lower as they actually are, like Wilder, Haye, Browne, Klitschko, name them.

And no, they were not rank 30, or at least not on boxrec.

Boxrec's rankings aren't very good. They're good as a reference for who's active in the division, but guys will often be well out of place in their rankings.

And those are the guys Briggs is after but don't dare to fight him, like Wilder, Haye and such.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: he's ranked that low because of inactivety and his focus on guys who should be ranked way lower as they actually are, like Wilder, Haye, Browne, Klitschko, name them.

And no, they were not rank 30, or at least not on boxrec.

Boxrec's rankings aren't very good. They're good as a reference for who's active in the division, but guys will often be well out of place in their rankings.

And those are the guys Briggs is after but don't dare to fight him, like Wilder, Haye and such.

Wilder would make very easy work of Briggs.

Haye would too if he was healthy.

I can't think of any name Heavyweight that wouldn't beat Briggs right now. I even think Fres Oquendo has a very strong chance of beating him.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: he's ranked that low because of inactivety and his focus on guys who should be ranked way lower as they actually are, like Wilder, Haye, Browne, Klitschko, name them.

And no, they were not rank 30, or at least not on boxrec.

Boxrec's rankings aren't very good. They're good as a reference for who's active in the division, but guys will often be well out of place in their rankings.

And those are the guys Briggs is after but don't dare to fight him, like Wilder, Haye and such.

Why would anyone in the top 30 feel inclined to fight Briggs? He's ultimately inactive, and has shown no indication that he still has anything to consider himself a force in the game.