Anthony Joshua......a bit too much hype.

[leejonesjnr]

Ali/Frazier 2 wasn't a title fight. Surprised nobody has mentioned holyfield/Bowe x3.

Oh yeah, of course it wasn't.

[banjo]

Yep.

It's an utterly shite division with a handful of worthy contenders and he's only beaten one of them, if he beats Fury and Wilder I'll give him a bit more credit, cracking fight though.

[Tanzio]

Yep.

It's an utterly shite division with a handful of worthy contenders and he's only beaten one of them, if he beats Fury and Wilder I'll give him a bit more credit, cracking fight though.

Few weight classes have much more than "a handful of worthy contenders" at any given time. The heavyweight class has seldom had more "worthy contenders" than it does today. I do agree that while it was a great heavyweight championship contest, AJ has lots of work to do to defend his turf: Wilder, Ortiz, Pulev, PEDvetkin, Parker, The Gypsy Coke Troll, not to mention Wlad (though I just did). There are next level dudes that would be on that level or higher in any other era like Brezeale, Whyte, Chisora, Wach, Takam, etc.

AJ is the king of a decent heavyweight division, nowhere near as weak as many portray, but he does need to stay busy.

[PredatorHayds]

Dempsey-Firpo
Holyfield-Bowe 1
Ali-Frazier 3

These 3 are surely nailed on in a HW top 5.

[Quix]

What is "absurd" about comparing Joshua v Wlad to the "all time 5 best HW bouts?"

Can you name five heavy weight championship fights that you have seen that were better?

This fight and these fighters deserve all the hype that they have received for this game changing event for boxing. If anything has been over hyped it is Fury v Wlad which was absolutely horrid for promoting the sport. On top of that the worship of a person who has made a mockery of himself and the heavy weight championship itself is what is 100% absurd.

The two fights with Ali and Frazier and the Foreman vs Ali fight. You could also say Foreman vs Lyle, Holmes vs Norton, Tyson vs Douglas, Holyfield vs Tyson (1), Lewis vs Tyson, the list goes on and that's not even considering the likes of Marciano, Liston, Dempsey etc. So, no the Klitschko vs Joshua fight comes nowhere near the top five and if you think it is, then you haven't seen many great heavyweight title fights. A great heavyweight title fights is also about two recognized quality fighters, fighting each other in their primes. So a virtual novice of 19 fights who pre Klitschko had fought nobody of any note and against an aging 41 year ex and inactive world champion doesn't square it. The hype was and is over the top and for the reasons i layed out in my original post. Boxing wise, they haven't taken anything to a new level, it was factors like how it was marketed and tickets sold that changed the scene, not the fight itself.

What was so great about Lewis-Tyson?

It was one of Lennox Lewis's defining fights. Glad you agreed with the rest lol :-)

[Quix]

Finally got home to see this on my home theater system. This fight and the combatants cannot be over hyped at the moment. That was one of the greatest heavy weight fights in the history of boxing. Joshua is a fvcking badass. If he stays focused and continues improving he can be an ATG. He is not there yet but he is a very talented boxer with excellent beard and huge pop.

The heavy weight division is the top of the heap again.

Many berate the depth of the division. It is better than it has been fo some time and it is improving. Who wants some of the king of the boxing mountain? You best come with skills, gifts, a hard hat and a lunch bucket.

This king will not go quietly and he is a great, great role model for kids fighting for a better life.

lol, ok fella, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's deluded none the less. As ive said with my list of fights, it's nowhere near one of the best heavyweight title fights. Joahua isn't a badass, he's an inexperienced fighter who has some talent and is a champion because the division is so weak. You can only be an all time great if you have quality fighters to fight that are noted champions and are also in their prime years as well. The heavyweight division is as weak as hell, who is out there ? Fury, Wilder and a lame Haye ? Jeez, that's terrible. The division has been weak for well over a decade, since Lewis retired and has become a virtual freak show. It is not improving, only how it's been marketed to the public. Joshua is a decent guy and deserves respect, but he isn't great and has a lot to learn. He has a long way to go and many tough fights against quality opponents, if any come along, before he can claim any greatness.

Your list of fights is what is "deluded." But, feel free to try again. You are also deluded to think that "it's nowhere near one of the best heavyweight title fights." But, what you are right about is that we are all entitled to our own opinion. Your opinions just happen to be completely off base.

For instance, you claim that "Joshua isn't a badass." With that you completely delegitimize your opinion. You make a mockery of yourself, though not quite on the level of the traveling coke troll.

Right now Joshua would present a legitimate challenge to every heavyweight champion in the history of boxing. I am not saying that he would defeat them all but he would have a shot at defeating every single one of them, and he is just getting started.

Furthermore, while the division is by no means the strongest that it has ever been it is also nowhere near the weakest. You berate it without legitimately comparing it to other eras.

First of all, it is far stronger than it was during most of Wlad's reign. It is also stronger than most eras prior to 1960. It is stronger than at least the majority of Joe Louis's era. There is an argument to be made that it is stronger than the late 80's era of Tyson's run.

You are the classic case of a self proclaimed hardcore boxing fan who projectile vomits bullsh!t and expects everyone to consume it quietly. I reject your regurgitated shallow crap.

Wlad at 41 would absolutely decimate the vast majority of the heavyweights in boxing history, including the majority of champions. That means that AJ would do the same.

PEDvetkin could compete at a high level in every era in boxing history. Wilder would be lethal for any but the top tier of any era. Parker could compete with the vast majority of top ten boxers of any era. Pulev, while outgunned by the likes of Wlad and likely AJ, could compete in any era.

You and others act as though the HW div has historically been this deep pool of great talent. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even in the best of eras, which I would consider to be the late 60's to the early 80's and the 90's, there were a handful of top tier fighters and a bunch of wannabe hard working journeymen. Chisora would be a threat to take the championship in most eras, for fvck's sake.

AJ won in a great heavyweight championship war last Saturday. That does not make him a great fighter on the historical level, yet. But it certainly was his Ali v Liston I moment, and it was a much better fight than that was.

I think you should keep off the drugs pal lol. What utter drivel. I Don't make a mockery of myself by saying that Joshua isn't a badass. I just say it as it is, in that he is an inexperienced fighter of 19 fights who prior to fighting Klitschko fought nobody of any note. In fighting Klitschko, he fought a 41 year old ex world champion who has been inactive and had lost to Tyson Fury who as a fighter is average. You're simply making up trash comebacks, because you have nothing else to offer. Joshua wouldn't have a prayer of beating a prime Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Holmes, Norton, Frazier etc etc, it's total nonsense. I've already stated that its the weakest era since the pre Tyson days, when the likes of Witherspoon, Bruno, Page, Thomas and Berbick were around. Its weaker than that era, so stop trying to claim otherwise. In reply to your claim that i am a " self proclaimed boxing hardcore who vomits bullsh!t ", seems a classic case of a butt hurt guy who can't come back with anything constructive or any kind of proper analysis to quantify your opinions, so resort to abusive language, followed up by absurd statements.

All i am doing is making sensible comments based upon reason and logic, that anyone who didn't have his head up his arse would recognize as being the truth. Your statement that a 41 year old Vlad could decimate most of the heavyweights in history, is totally ludicrous if you are talking about fighters who were world champions. He wasn't that great in his prime and ruled in an extremely weak era. Again, your statement about Pulev, Wilder etc, is just laughable to anyone with a knowledge and history of the heavyweight division. Of course, there have been era's when the heavyweight division was weak and some average fighters around in quality era's, but this is noted to be one of the worst era's ever and how you can think otherwise is beyond me. Any fighter could be claimed to make " a threat " to take a championship, by the mere fact that any fighter can be sucker punched, particularly at heavyweight, that's boxing. However, you judge an era on the quality of fighters and who they fought in their prime years. I think your delusional and are one of those bored kids with nothing better to do than argue the toss on sites like this, knowing deep down that you are taking complete crap, but love the wind up. Like i said a while back.....priceless lol.

[Quix]

Yep.

It's an utterly shite division with a handful of worthy contenders and he's only beaten one of them, if he beats Fury and Wilder I'll give him a bit more credit, cracking fight though.

" it's an utterly shite division "......................amen to that sir :-)

[Tanzio]

lol, ok fella, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's deluded none the less. As ive said with my list of fights, it's nowhere near one of the best heavyweight title fights. Joahua isn't a badass, he's an inexperienced fighter who has some talent and is a champion because the division is so weak. You can only be an all time great if you have quality fighters to fight that are noted champions and are also in their prime years as well. The heavyweight division is as weak as hell, who is out there ? Fury, Wilder and a lame Haye ? Jeez, that's terrible. The division has been weak for well over a decade, since Lewis retired and has become a virtual freak show. It is not improving, only how it's been marketed to the public. Joshua is a decent guy and deserves respect, but he isn't great and has a lot to learn. He has a long way to go and many tough fights against quality opponents, if any come along, before he can claim any greatness.

Your list of fights is what is "deluded." But, feel free to try again. You are also deluded to think that "it's nowhere near one of the best heavyweight title fights." But, what you are right about is that we are all entitled to our own opinion. Your opinions just happen to be completely off base.

For instance, you claim that "Joshua isn't a badass." With that you completely delegitimize your opinion. You make a mockery of yourself, though not quite on the level of the traveling coke troll.

Right now Joshua would present a legitimate challenge to every heavyweight champion in the history of boxing. I am not saying that he would defeat them all but he would have a shot at defeating every single one of them, and he is just getting started.

Furthermore, while the division is by no means the strongest that it has ever been it is also nowhere near the weakest. You berate it without legitimately comparing it to other eras.

First of all, it is far stronger than it was during most of Wlad's reign. It is also stronger than most eras prior to 1960. It is stronger than at least the majority of Joe Louis's era. There is an argument to be made that it is stronger than the late 80's era of Tyson's run.

You are the classic case of a self proclaimed hardcore boxing fan who projectile vomits bullsh!t and expects everyone to consume it quietly. I reject your regurgitated shallow crap.

Wlad at 41 would absolutely decimate the vast majority of the heavyweights in boxing history, including the majority of champions. That means that AJ would do the same.

PEDvetkin could compete at a high level in every era in boxing history. Wilder would be lethal for any but the top tier of any era. Parker could compete with the vast majority of top ten boxers of any era. Pulev, while outgunned by the likes of Wlad and likely AJ, could compete in any era.

You and others act as though the HW div has historically been this deep pool of great talent. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even in the best of eras, which I would consider to be the late 60's to the early 80's and the 90's, there were a handful of top tier fighters and a bunch of wannabe hard working journeymen. Chisora would be a threat to take the championship in most eras, for fvck's sake.

AJ won in a great heavyweight championship war last Saturday. That does not make him a great fighter on the historical level, yet. But it certainly was his Ali v Liston I moment, and it was a much better fight than that was.

I think you should keep off the drugs pal lol. What utter drivel. I Don't make a mockery of myself by saying that Joshua isn't a badass. I just say it as it is, in that he is an inexperienced fighter of 19 fights who prior to fighting Klitschko fought nobody of any note. In fighting Klitschko, he fought a 41 year old ex world champion who has been inactive and had lost to Tyson Fury who as a fighter is average. You're simply making up trash comebacks, because you have nothing else to offer. Joshua wouldn't have a prayer of beating a prime Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Holmes, Norton, Frazier etc etc, it's total nonsense. I've already stated that its the weakest era since the pre Tyson days, when the likes of Witherspoon, Bruno, Page, Thomas and Berbick were around. Its weaker than that era, so stop trying to claim otherwise. In reply to your claim that i am a " self proclaimed boxing hardcore who vomits bullsh!t ", seems a classic case of a butt hurt guy who can't come back with anything constructive or any kind of proper analysis to quantify your opinions, so resort to abusive language, followed up by absurd statements.

All i am doing is making sensible comments based upon reason and logic, that anyone who didn't have his head up his arse would recognize as being the truth. Your statement that a 41 year old Vlad could decimate most of the heavyweights in history, is totally ludicrous if you are talking about fighters who were world champions. He wasn't that great in his prime and ruled in an extremely weak era. Again, your statement about Pulev, Wilder etc, is just laughable to anyone with a knowledge and history of the heavyweight division. Of course, there have been era's when the heavyweight division was weak and some average fighters around in quality era's, but this is noted to be one of the worst era's ever and how you can think otherwise is beyond me. Any fighter could be claimed to make " a threat " to take a championship, by the mere fact that any fighter can be sucker punched, particularly at heavyweight, that's boxing. However, you judge an era on the quality of fighters and who they fought in their prime years. I think your delusional and are one of those bored kids with nothing better to do than argue the toss on sites like this, knowing deep down that you are taking complete crap, but love the wind up. Like i said a while back.....priceless lol.

Funny how you love to throw around words like "reason" and "logic" while using no more of it than anyone else on here to express your personal opinions. Again, you are a classic case of someone who accuses others of what you are personally guilty of, and dressing it up with empty words meant to insult the intelligence of the person who disagrees with you, like too many ribbons and bows and balloons attached to an utterly uninspired gift.

You fail.

There is no "reason" and "logic" included in your argument that this is one of the worst collection of heavyweights in history. Again there is just opinion. Why? Because that is all you have. You simply list a handful of names to compare to the current handful of names and claim, without "reason" or "logic," that it was a superior group.

You need to go back to your "Introduction to Logic and Reason" texts and actually read them this time.

AJ and Wlad deserve every bit of hype they are receiving for putting on one of the greatest heavyweight championship boxing matches in history which has singlehandedly given a significant boost to the sport of boxing.

AJ is a badass because he is the acknowledged world champion of the heavyweight division for having defeated the acknowledged second best boxer in the heavyweight division. Historically, the acknowledged world champion of the heavyweight division is considered the king of boxing, as in the baddest man in a sport involving hand to hand combat. He would also destroy the vast majority of the planet's individuals in mutual, hand to hand combat in the boxing ring, at the corner pub or in the street.

Therefore my claim that AJ is "a tough, uncompromising, intimidating individual;" a badass.

But, keep using far too many words to camouflage your nonexistent "reason" and "logic," and dress your poorly thoughtout opinions in tuxedos three sizes too small.

[Quix]

Your list of fights is what is "deluded." But, feel free to try again. You are also deluded to think that "it's nowhere near one of the best heavyweight title fights." But, what you are right about is that we are all entitled to our own opinion. Your opinions just happen to be completely off base.

For instance, you claim that "Joshua isn't a badass." With that you completely delegitimize your opinion. You make a mockery of yourself, though not quite on the level of the traveling coke troll.

Right now Joshua would present a legitimate challenge to every heavyweight champion in the history of boxing. I am not saying that he would defeat them all but he would have a shot at defeating every single one of them, and he is just getting started.

Furthermore, while the division is by no means the strongest that it has ever been it is also nowhere near the weakest. You berate it without legitimately comparing it to other eras.

First of all, it is far stronger than it was during most of Wlad's reign. It is also stronger than most eras prior to 1960. It is stronger than at least the majority of Joe Louis's era. There is an argument to be made that it is stronger than the late 80's era of Tyson's run.

You are the classic case of a self proclaimed hardcore boxing fan who projectile vomits bullsh!t and expects everyone to consume it quietly. I reject your regurgitated shallow crap.

Wlad at 41 would absolutely decimate the vast majority of the heavyweights in boxing history, including the majority of champions. That means that AJ would do the same.

PEDvetkin could compete at a high level in every era in boxing history. Wilder would be lethal for any but the top tier of any era. Parker could compete with the vast majority of top ten boxers of any era. Pulev, while outgunned by the likes of Wlad and likely AJ, could compete in any era.

You and others act as though the HW div has historically been this deep pool of great talent. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even in the best of eras, which I would consider to be the late 60's to the early 80's and the 90's, there were a handful of top tier fighters and a bunch of wannabe hard working journeymen. Chisora would be a threat to take the championship in most eras, for fvck's sake.

AJ won in a great heavyweight championship war last Saturday. That does not make him a great fighter on the historical level, yet. But it certainly was his Ali v Liston I moment, and it was a much better fight than that was.

I think you should keep off the drugs pal lol. What utter drivel. I Don't make a mockery of myself by saying that Joshua isn't a badass. I just say it as it is, in that he is an inexperienced fighter of 19 fights who prior to fighting Klitschko fought nobody of any note. In fighting Klitschko, he fought a 41 year old ex world champion who has been inactive and had lost to Tyson Fury who as a fighter is average. You're simply making up trash comebacks, because you have nothing else to offer. Joshua wouldn't have a prayer of beating a prime Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Holmes, Norton, Frazier etc etc, it's total nonsense. I've already stated that its the weakest era since the pre Tyson days, when the likes of Witherspoon, Bruno, Page, Thomas and Berbick were around. Its weaker than that era, so stop trying to claim otherwise. In reply to your claim that i am a " self proclaimed boxing hardcore who vomits bullsh!t ", seems a classic case of a butt hurt guy who can't come back with anything constructive or any kind of proper analysis to quantify your opinions, so resort to abusive language, followed up by absurd statements.

All i am doing is making sensible comments based upon reason and logic, that anyone who didn't have his head up his arse would recognize as being the truth. Your statement that a 41 year old Vlad could decimate most of the heavyweights in history, is totally ludicrous if you are talking about fighters who were world champions. He wasn't that great in his prime and ruled in an extremely weak era. Again, your statement about Pulev, Wilder etc, is just laughable to anyone with a knowledge and history of the heavyweight division. Of course, there have been era's when the heavyweight division was weak and some average fighters around in quality era's, but this is noted to be one of the worst era's ever and how you can think otherwise is beyond me. Any fighter could be claimed to make " a threat " to take a championship, by the mere fact that any fighter can be sucker punched, particularly at heavyweight, that's boxing. However, you judge an era on the quality of fighters and who they fought in their prime years. I think your delusional and are one of those bored kids with nothing better to do than argue the toss on sites like this, knowing deep down that you are taking complete crap, but love the wind up. Like i said a while back.....priceless lol.

Funny how you love to throw around words like "reason" and "logic" while using no more of it than anyone else on here to express your personal opinions. Again, you are a classic case of someone who accuses others of what you are personally guilty of, and dressing it up with empty words meant to insult the intelligence of the person who disagrees with you, like too many ribbons and bows and balloons attached to an utterly uninspired gift.

You fail.

There is no "reason" and "logic" included in your argument that this is one of the worst collection of heavyweights in history. Again there is just opinion. Why? Because that is all you have. You simply list a handful of names to compare to the current handful of names and claim, without "reason" or "logic," that it was a superior group.

You need to go back to your "Introduction to Logic and Reason" texts and actually read them this time.

AJ and Wlad deserve every bit of hype they are receiving for putting on one of the greatest heavyweight championship boxing matches in history which has singlehandedly given a significant boost to the sport of boxing.

AJ is a badass because he is the acknowledged world champion of the heavyweight division for having defeated the acknowledged second best boxer in the heavyweight division. Historically, the acknowledged world champion of the heavyweight division is considered the king of boxing, as in the baddest man in a sport involving hand to hand combat. He would also destroy the vast majority of the planet's individuals in mutual, hand to hand combat in the boxing ring, at the corner pub or in the street.

Therefore my claim that AJ is "a tough, uncompromising, intimidating individual;" a badass.

But, keep using far too many words to camouflage your nonexistent "reason" and "logic," and dress your poorly thoughtout opinions in tuxedos three sizes too small.

Iv'e not set out to upset or insult the intelligence of anyone on here, just put across my opinions which are sensible and reasonable. You said to another poster to name any other top five heavyweight championship fights that were better than Klitschko vs Joshua and i did. I mentioned loads and basically you didn't like the fact that i made you look silly with the statement you made. So instead of coming back with something constructive and countering what i had said, you resorted to saying semi abusive comebacks, like " whatever else you want to pull out of your ass ". You failed right there fella lol, after initially coming back with that statement. That showed that you were basically pissed off that someone had come back on your comment, was right and you couldn't cope with it and got annoyed.

You can dress it up however you like, this era of heavyweights is absolutely awful. I don't need evidence that the the Eiffel tower is more beautiful that the Battersea power station, is just self evident to anyone with eyes and a functioning brain. Now sure, you can have an opinion that it's the reverse, but saying it in public would lead to mockery. It's the same with saying the current heavyweight scene, particularly at championship level is the equivalent of what it was in the past. You can say it, but it's nonsense. Most of Klitschko's opponents in his reign were no more than punching bags and that has been the case with 90% of Joshua's opponents, including that berk who was his opponent in his title defence before the fight with Klitschko.

It's laughable that you think the Joshua vs Klitschko fight was one of the best in history. That statement sounds so embarrassing if you have even a little knowledge of the history of the heavyweight division. It was a good fight, but no more than that, between a virtual novice and a 41 year old ex world champion who was distinctly average when in his prime, who reigned in a weak division. All due credit for Joshua in winning the fight as i said many posts ago, but don't make it into something that it is clearly not. I'm surprised that you're so naive in going along with all the hype and marketing surrounding the outcome of this fight, because all it's about is generating a positive, if untruthful narrative, that Joshua is something he is not, in order to increase his fan base and in turn makes lots of money.

Oh dear, your last statement proves you know absolutely nothing lol. For a start, Klitschko isn't the second best boxer in the heavyweight division, it's Tyson fury. Remember that ? The guy who he lost to !! Jeez lol. As i said before, you are judged on the quality of opponents you face or faced in your career, not just by being a world champion, especially in this multi belt era. As for Joshua and your quote that " He would also destroy the vast majority of the planet's individuals in mutual, hand to hand combat in the boxing ring, at the corner pub or in the street " once again show's your naivety. He would get destroyed by any expert in martial art combat and many MMA fighers however big and by some street fighters too, as it's a completely different discipline and approach to boxing.

Go and have a lay down pal, this is like taking candy off a baby. You're embarrassing lol