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Baby Face Finster wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:The guy is a boring interview. The personality of a nail.

Who cares, he's a GREAT boxer

Yeah, but without the personality he will never become the big star he wants to become.

PAC comes across a dull and he's a super star

Crawford want's Pacquiao. Fight would have intrigue. That's for sure.

Nightmare Roy wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote: Who cares, he's a GREAT boxer

Yeah, but without the personality he will never become the big star he wants to become.

PAC comes across a dull and he's a super star

He smiles and was all out action. That is enough for someone who has a whole nation behind him. You think America knows who Crawford is?

Pac also had Oscar and a trio of Mexican legends...

crusader wrote:Pac also had Oscar and a trio of Mexican legends...

Exactly. Who is Crawford's defining fight? No one outside of boxing fans know who this guy is. He has no crossover appeal.

Pacquaio is basically the God of a third world country. He will one day be president if he wants to. Crawford to Americans is just some nice kid who plays the 7th most popular sport in the country. The mainstream doesn't know about him because he doesn't act like Mike Tyson in or out of the ring.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:
Yeah, but without the personality he will never become the big star he wants to become.

PAC comes across a dull and he's a super star

He smiles and was all out action. That is enough for someone who has a whole nation behind him. You think America knows who Crawford is?

True Pac has a whole nation. Crawford has Omaha NE and some hardcore boxing fans. It's hard not to like Crawford. He is a all business fighter inside the ring.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:The guy is a boring interview. The personality of a nail.

Basically calls out everybody. What do you want? Dude is ice.

He has no emotion, he isn't charming and he isn't funny either. The guy is a stiff as an interview.

Different strokes. I like his matter of fact take on all comers demeanor. He is a lot like The Hitman.

PAC won't fight Crawford because PAC brings all the money to the table. PAC doesn't need Crawford. Crawford needs PAC. PAC holds all the cards. Which is why that fight won't happen. PAC is old and knows Crawford is elite of elite without the $$ cache behind him. That's what you call super high risk, crap reward.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

crusader wrote:Pac also had Oscar and a trio of Mexican legends...

Exactly. Who is Crawford's defining fight? No one outside of boxing fans know who this guy is. He has no crossover appeal.

Hatton too, plus the Floyd rivalry.

Aside from being a great fighter, Pac had the right opponents for superstardom

Crawford is a fantastic fighter, anyone with eyes can see that, but to transcend the sport and become a big star you need to have some personality, be outspoken, or beat someone better known than you.

diddy wrote:PAC won't fight Crawford because PAC brings all the money to the table. PAC doesn't need Crawford. Crawford needs PAC. PAC holds all the cards. Which is why that fight won't happen. PAC is old and knows Crawford is elite of elite without the $$ cache behind him. That's what you call super high risk, crap reward.

But aren't both Crawford and Pacquiao promoted by Top Rank. If so should make it rather easy to negotiate a fight between the two. Plus Pac is on his last leg. Top Rank would need a new PPV cash cow.

Baby Face Finster wrote:Crawford is a fantastic fighter, anyone with eyes can see that, but to transcend the sport and become a big star you need to have some personality, be outspoken, or beat someone better known than you.

Can't a boxer just be a great boxer? It doesn't matter if he transcends the sport. The kid can fight. That's all that matters to me.

MachoTime wrote:

diddy wrote:PAC won't fight Crawford because PAC brings all the money to the table. PAC doesn't need Crawford. Crawford needs PAC. PAC holds all the cards. Which is why that fight won't happen. PAC is old and knows Crawford is elite of elite without the $$ cache behind him. That's what you call super high risk, crap reward.

But aren't both Crawford and Pacquiao promoted by Top Rank. If so should make it rather easy to negotiate a fight between the two. Plus Pac is on his last leg. Top Rank would need a new PPV cash cow.

Why would Pac want to take a beating? He knows he is too old to take on someone like Crawford at the end of his career.

diddy wrote:PAC won't fight Crawford because PAC brings all the money to the table. PAC doesn't need Crawford. Crawford needs PAC. PAC holds all the cards. Which is why that fight won't happen. PAC is old and knows Crawford is elite of elite without the $$ cache behind him. That's what you call super high risk, crap reward.

Manny isn't a giant draw anymore, so yeah, he isn't going to get schooled by Crawford for a couple million.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:Crawford is a fantastic fighter, anyone with eyes can see that, but to transcend the sport and become a big star you need to have some personality, be outspoken, or beat someone better known than you.

Can't a boxer just be a great boxer? It doesn't matter if he transcends the sport. The kid can fight. That's all that matters to me.

I'm just saying that if he wants to become a PPV star he needs to do what I stated above.

MachoTime wrote:

diddy wrote:PAC won't fight Crawford because PAC brings all the money to the table. PAC doesn't need Crawford. Crawford needs PAC. PAC holds all the cards. Which is why that fight won't happen. PAC is old and knows Crawford is elite of elite without the $$ cache behind him. That's what you call super high risk, crap reward.

But aren't both Crawford and Pacquiao promoted by Top Rank. If so should make it rather easy to negotiate a fight between the two. Plus Pac is on his last leg. Top Rank would need a new PPV cash cow.

It wouldn't be a passing of the guard, Pac/Crawford is like a 400k ppv and arum can't give manny the 20 mill guarantees he was used to. Not to mention Crawford would be expecting a huge raise that wouldn't be there either.

TCraw should go after The Indongo belts, then start at 147 with Lamont Peterson.

Tanzio wrote:TCraw should go after The Indongo belts, then start at 147 with Lamont Peterson.

Sounds good

Though, I'm a bit worried given that Crawford is with HBO, and so many of the top 147 fighters (Peterson included I believe) are with Haymon.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:Crawford is a fantastic fighter, anyone with eyes can see that, but to transcend the sport and become a big star you need to have some personality, be outspoken, or beat someone better known than you.

Can't a boxer just be a great boxer? It doesn't matter if he transcends the sport. The kid can fight. That's all that matters to me.

I'm just saying that if he wants to become a PPV star he needs to do what I stated above.

I don't disagree about that. But being a PPV star is political. Being a great boxer is far more important. The kid looks special, let's just see where it goes.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

MachoTime wrote:

diddy wrote:PAC won't fight Crawford because PAC brings all the money to the table. PAC doesn't need Crawford. Crawford needs PAC. PAC holds all the cards. Which is why that fight won't happen. PAC is old and knows Crawford is elite of elite without the $$ cache behind him. That's what you call super high risk, crap reward.

But aren't both Crawford and Pacquiao promoted by Top Rank. If so should make it rather easy to negotiate a fight between the two. Plus Pac is on his last leg. Top Rank would need a new PPV cash cow.

Why would Pac want to take a beating? He knows he is too old to take on someone like Crawford at the end of his career.

Only time will tell. I agree time isn't on Pacquiao's side.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

MachoTime wrote:

diddy wrote:PAC won't fight Crawford because PAC brings all the money to the table. PAC doesn't need Crawford. Crawford needs PAC. PAC holds all the cards. Which is why that fight won't happen. PAC is old and knows Crawford is elite of elite without the $$ cache behind him. That's what you call super high risk, crap reward.

But aren't both Crawford and Pacquiao promoted by Top Rank. If so should make it rather easy to negotiate a fight between the two. Plus Pac is on his last leg. Top Rank would need a new PPV cash cow.

It wouldn't be a passing of the guard, Pac/Crawford is like a 400k ppv and arum can't give manny the 20 mill guarantees he was used to. Not to mention Crawford would be expecting a huge raise that wouldn't be there either.

Good point. I would imagine though Top Rank would want to get Crawford to PPV status. Somehow, Some way. Pacquiao is not going to last forever. Arguably Crawford is the best fighter on the Top Rank stable.

MachoTime wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

MachoTime wrote:
But aren't both Crawford and Pacquiao promoted by Top Rank. If so should make it rather easy to negotiate a fight between the two. Plus Pac is on his last leg. Top Rank would need a new PPV cash cow.

It wouldn't be a passing of the guard, Pac/Crawford is like a 400k ppv and arum can't give manny the 20 mill guarantees he was used to. Not to mention Crawford would be expecting a huge raise that wouldn't be there either.

Good point. I would imagine though Top Rank would want to get Crawford to PPV status. Somehow, Some way. Pacquiao is not going to last forever. Arguably Crawford is the best fighter on the Top Rank stable.

Arguably Hitman Jr is the best fighter on the planet.

Not seen the Diaz fight yet.
Crawford is in P4P limbo country just like Lomachenko, both of them are hovering in the in the P4P top ten basement looking to grab a higher spot.
Crawford doesn't have the opponents and Lomachenko doesn't have the contests.

Evander wrote:Not seen the Diaz fight yet.
Crawford is in P4P limbo country just like Lomachenko, both of them are hovering in the in the P4P top ten basement looking to grab a higher spot.
Crawford doesn't have the opponents and Lomachenko doesn't have the contests.

Hitman Jr is top three any way you want to slice it.