Alexander Povetkin vs Andriy Rudenko Finalized For July 1

[Kalan]

What is the fuckin point in this fight?

Excuse my ignorance but why is Povetkin fighting if he's failed a test?

He DIDN'T fail any test... He failed 2 tests according to VADA... Now they claim he only failed one test.

One test he was able to prove he DIDN'T fail through WADA and the WBC kept him reinstated as the top contender.. Then VADA figured out a way to accuse Povetkin of failing a drug test that was impossible to prove or disprove.. They accused him of having a 10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in one sample -- a concentration so minute that it might show up in 1 of 100 tests or in NO tests depending on hydration levels... According to VADA there's no minimum concentration for Ostarine and it's impossible to prove they're lying. Except they're lying through their teeth. Because out of months of tests for the Stiverne fight this test was flagged within 24 hours of the fight -- the exact same scenario as the Wilder fight.

[Stuarty]

What is the fuckin point in this fight?

Excuse my ignorance but why is Povetkin fighting if he's failed a test?

He DIDN'T fail any test... He failed 2 tests according to VADA... Now they claim he only failed one test.

One test he was able to prove he DIDN'T fail through WADA and the WBC kept him reinstated as the top contender.. Then VADA figured out a way to accuse Povetkin of failing a drug test that was impossible to prove or disprove.. They accused him of having a 10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in one sample -- a concentration so minute that it might show up in 1 of 100 tests or in NO tests depending on hydration levels... According to VADA there's no minimum concentration for Ostarine and it's impossible to prove they're lying. Except they're lying through their teeth. Because out of months of tests for the Stiverne fight this test was flagged within 24 hours of the fight -- the exact same scenario as the Wilder fight.

All sounds like a massive pile of crap!

[boxing_rocks]

What is the fuckin point in this fight?

Excuse my ignorance but why is Povetkin fighting if he's failed a test?

As if he is the only one who failed a drug test. Some don't even get suspended, because they "ate contaminated meat".

[candyslim]

What is the fuckin point in this fight?

Excuse my ignorance but why is Povetkin fighting if he's failed a test?

He DIDN'T fail any test... He failed 2 tests according to VADA... Now they claim he only failed one test.

One test he was able to prove he DIDN'T fail through WADA and the WBC kept him reinstated as the top contender.. Then VADA figured out a way to accuse Povetkin of failing a drug test that was impossible to prove or disprove.. They accused him of having a 10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in one sample -- a concentration so minute that it might show up in 1 of 100 tests or in NO tests depending on hydration levels... According to VADA there's no minimum concentration for Ostarine and it's impossible to prove they're lying. Except they're lying through their teeth. Because out of months of tests for the Stiverne fight this test was flagged within 24 hours of the fight -- the exact same scenario as the Wilder fight.

All sounds like a massive pile of crap!

If you look back at the exchanges in this thread you will note there are some who believe passionately that there isn't the most miniscule possibility that anything connected with it wasn't absolutely correct and beyond reproach, and anybody having the temerity to question that is an infidel.

Then there are one or two convinced that the whole thing was a stitch-up designed to prevent that paragon of virtue who is Alexander Poviktim from taking the WBC belt home to Moscow with him, and won't have it any other way.

Then there is me, and possibly one or two others, who aren't certain there was any wrongdoing but feel the entire episode emits the fragrance of a North Sea trawler, and who has little to no faith in the integrity of the self proclaimed, self interested and self serving, sanctioning bodies.

[candyslim]

As to the question about the point of this match, very little from where I'm standing as it seems about as competitive as the O.J. v Nicole Simpson fight.

I can only suppose that by steering clear of Americans and fighting a fellow Russian or a Ukrainian, he might think he might actually get a work-out without having to sweat on being provided with a last-minute replacement.

[bigman1968]

As to the question about the point of this match, very little from where I'm standing as it seems about as competitive as the O.J. v Nicole Simpson fight.

I can only suppose that by steering clear of Americans and fighting a fellow Russian or a Ukrainian, he might think he might actually get a work-out without having to sweat on being provided with a last-minute replacement.

It's actually money earning fight.
Povetkin is very popular in Russia, Ukrainian opponent adds spice to sales, Rudenko will be happy to get paid modestly(~100K, as I heard).
No sanction fees to be paid.
As to competitive value - since when promoters gives an eff???

[candyslim]

Fair enough I guess. We Brits would probably pay to watch AJ against Sam Sexton.

[asdfjkl]

I think Povetkin would love to fight AJ, but AJ probably doesn't dare to accept such a challenge.
I think it would be equally as big at the Klitschko fight.

[gilgamesh]

I think Povetkin would love to fight AJ, but AJ probably doesn't dare to accept such a challenge.
I think it would be equally as big at the Klitschko fight.

Povetkin is irrelevant. He has himself to thank for that.

[asdfjkl]

I think Povetkin would love to fight AJ, but AJ probably doesn't dare to accept such a challenge.
I think it would be equally as big at the Klitschko fight.

Povetkin is irrelevant. He has himself to thank for that.

Povetkin is absolutely relevant, but even if you think he isn't, explain to me how he's responseble for it?

[gilgamesh]

I think Povetkin would love to fight AJ, but AJ probably doesn't dare to accept such a challenge.
I think it would be equally as big at the Klitschko fight.

Povetkin is irrelevant. He has himself to thank for that.

Povetkin is absolutely relevant, but even if you think he isn't, explain to me how he's responseble for it?

He took the drugs that were banned. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him take them. I kinda liked Povetkin, and wanted nothing more than to see him knock out Wilder, then that fight fell through because of his bullsh*t, I got no more time for him and I don't give a sh*t if I ever see him fight again.

He was a chickensh*t who ducked Wlad for years before finally fighting him and losing every round, and now he's ensured that he'll only leave a legacy as being a forgettable middle of the road contender. He'll never do anything that matters in the sport again because nobody that matters is gonna go to Russia to fight his drug cheat ass.

And for the record. I have very little doubt that several fighters aside from Povetkin do it and don't get caught, and all I got to say to that is, he should've learned not to get caught like those guys.

[candyslim]

I think Povetkin would love to fight AJ, but AJ probably doesn't dare to accept such a challenge.
I think it would be equally as big at the Klitschko fight.

Oh gimme a break. Joshua has been a champion for a year and has beaten Wladimir Klitschko in his third defence. He is contractually obliged to defend against Klitschko, if Wlad decides he wants to put himself through that again.

He (Joshua) is obliged to defend his IBF title against Kubrat Pulev who is his mandatory. Failure to comply means he will probably lose his IBF belt.

He (Joshua) is obliged to defend his WBA belt against Luis Ortiz who is his mandatory. Failure to comply means he will probably lose his WBA belt. Ortiz took step-aside money to allow Joshua to fight Klitschko. Now he wants his due.

If that's not enough, Deontay Wilder, who has shown no prior inclination to test himself against any fighter with a pulse in the 2.5 years he has been WBC champion, has suddenly caught a whiff of Uncle Eddie's chequebook, and now wants a unification as a matter of urgency, backed up by a clamour of boxing fans in the US who see no reason why Joshua shouldn't fight Klitschko and Wilder in back to back fights. It seems the infinite patience of the US fight-fan doesn't extend to Anthony Joshua, there again in England it is frequently said "Americans don't really do irony".

So maybe we could get Klitschko, Pulev, Ortiz, Wilder and Povetkin to stand in line and AJ can fight them one after another "randori" style in the same night . Perhaps include Parker too in case anyone accuses Joshua of avoiding him.

Seriously I've got more time for Povetkin than just about anyone on this forum with the notable, even glaring exception of your good-self, but with all those compulsory obligations on his plate why TF would or should Joshua concern himself with Povetkin?

I like Povetkin, I rate Povetkin, but he was outclassed by Klitschko. He would be conceding 4" in height, 7" in reach, 20lbs in weight, and 7 years in age to one of the quickest and most destructive punchers around. Joshua has shown no sign of ducking anyone, and absolutely does not deserve your absurd insult that he doesn't dare to accept such a challenge from Povetkin. If you believe that then you are ... no, I won't be unkind ... very much wide of the mark.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think Povetkin would love to fight AJ, but AJ probably doesn't dare to accept such a challenge.
I think it would be equally as big at the Klitschko fight.

Povetkin is irrelevant. He has himself to thank for that.

Yup, he's an Atg PED user in a time when almost everyone has used. That is his legacy.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think a fight between Wilder and Povetkin (whether you consider him PEDvetkin or Poviktim) is as mouthwatering a match-up as can be made in the heavyweight division, and I for one was absolutely gutted by the cancellation. Hype? ... not a bit of it.

No reason for wilder to bother with him again, I certainly wouldn't. Ryabinsky does pay a ton of money, just impossible to trust Povetkin to pass tests and make it to the fight.

[candyslim]

You're right of course.Why fight Povetkin when you could fight someone genuinely relevant like Bermaine "is he still boxing" Stiverne or the equally ferocious El Pollo Negro?

[asdfjkl]

Povetkin is irrelevant. He has himself to thank for that.

Povetkin is absolutely relevant, but even if you think he isn't, explain to me how he's responseble for it?

He took the drugs that were banned. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him take them. I kinda liked Povetkin, and wanted nothing more than to see him knock out Wilder, then that fight fell through because of his bullsh*t, I got no more time for him and I don't give a sh*t if I ever see him fight again.

He was a chickensh*t who ducked Wlad for years before finally fighting him and losing every round, and now he's ensured that he'll only leave a legacy as being a forgettable middle of the road contender. He'll never do anything that matters in the sport again because nobody that matters is gonna go to Russia to fight his drug cheat ass.

And for the record. I have very little doubt that several fighters aside from Povetkin do it and don't get caught, and all I got to say to that is, he should've learned not to get caught like those guys.

Povetkin is innocent as you know very well and I think it's sad that you talk like this about innocent people. Wilder simply doesn't dare to show up against any good boxer without receiving an absurt pile of money which he doesn't deserve. If Joshua is after the best of the best, he fights Povetkin and indeed Ortiz, if Joshua rather fights with a hypejob like Daffy Duck or Wilder, the maded money should go to charity.

[greg]

..like it or not, Povetkin is out of the big picture..

[candyslim]

..like it or not, Povetkin is out of the big picture..

Pretty much but whether that is his fault or not is a matter of conjecture. I think it's a shame that a fighter capable of destroying (an admittedly just off the plane) Johann Duhaupas, is not going to be testing his ability against the best in the world anytime soon. That may or may not be unfair to him. It's definitely a shame for the avid fight-fan to be deprived of the exciting fights he (juiced up or not) would undoubtedly give us. At 34 it's soon going to be too late.

I tell you what. If I'm ever in the frame for murder I'd hope to have a more open-minded jury than most of you lot on here.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You're right of course.Why fight Povetkin when you could fight someone genuinely relevant like Bermaine "is he still boxing" Stiverne or the equally ferocious El Pollo Negro?

Any opponent is better than none. Povetkin is none.

[asdfjkl]

You're right of course.Why fight Povetkin when you could fight someone genuinely relevant like Bermaine "is he still boxing" Stiverne or the equally ferocious El Pollo Negro?

Any opponent is better than none. Povetkin is none.

You should join the PTBF, I think you could become an all time recordbreaker in the lowest amount of points in the DFtP there.

[Ruthless-RKO]

It was announced by promotional company World of Boxing, that former IBF and IBO light welterweight champion Eduard Troyanovsky will make his ring return on July 1 in Moscow, Russia, as a part of the card headlined by heavyweight contender Alexander Povetkin - who is scheduled for a collision versus Andrey Rudenko of Ukraine.

Troyanovsky is set to face former world title challenger Michele Di Rocco of Italy.

IBF #7 and WBA #8 Troyanovsky (25-1, 22 KOs) just turned 37-years old. He acquired the vacant IBO 140lb title in April 2015 against fellow compatriot Aik Shakhnazaryan, and then added the IBF belt when he stopped 48-0 Argentinean Cesar Rene Cuenca in November 2015.

[candyslim]

You're right of course.Why fight Povetkin when you could fight someone genuinely relevant like Bermane "is he still boxing" Stiverne or the equally ferocious El Pollo Negro?

Any opponent is better than none. Povetkin is none.

Well that's true. Povetkin was effectively taken out of the equation, rightly or wrongly so it made sense for Wilder to fight someone else.

My issue is not so much with who he fought instead of Povetkin, it's that in two and a half years as champion he has fought nobody remotely threatening, and the one time it looked like he was going to, in rides the 7th Cavalry in the shape of WADA/VADA to prevent it from happening, and even though the whole thing smells of rotting fish, people such as yourself are 100% - not 99% or 98% - 100% certain that there could not have possibly been anything dodgy going down.

Kalan has explained the anomalies in several posts but nobody wants to comment about that.

There is not a lot more I can say, or at least not a lot of point in saying it, because on this issue at least, you and a few others seem about as receptive to alternative possibilities as the Taliban.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You're right of course.Why fight Povetkin when you could fight someone genuinely relevant like Bermane "is he still boxing" Stiverne or the equally ferocious El Pollo Negro?

Any opponent is better than none. Povetkin is none.

Well that's true. Povetkin was effectively taken out of the equation, rightly or wrongly so it made sense for Wilder to fight someone else.

My issue is not so much with who he fought instead of Povetkin, it's that in two and a half years as champion he has fought nobody remotely threatening, and the one time it looked like he was going to, in rides the 7th Cavalry in the shape of WADA/VADA to prevent it from happening, and even though the whole thing smells of rotting fish, people such as yourself are 100% - not 99% or 98% - 100% certain that there could not have possibly been anything dodgy going down.

Kalan has explained the anomalies in several posts but nobody wants to comment about that.

There is not a lot more I can say, or at least not a lot of point in saying it, because on this issue at least, you and a few others seem about as receptive to alternative possibilities as the Taliban.

Correct, 100%. Not an inkling of a chance. I don't read kalans posts, but whatever explanation he offered was crap.

[candyslim]

Probably not the most logical statement you've ever made

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Probably not the most logical statement you've ever made

It's plenty logical. I don't waste time with trolls. Using Kalan to back your stance is incredibly dim.