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Skeete boxed the bejaysus out of Eggington. Fair enough, he's been inactive but so har Amir Khan AND HE DONT GET DROPPED.

Reinstate Bradley and take out Andy selby.

Ossyrules wrote:

Covfefe wrote:

Horse wrote:If you don't know what that means then there's no helping you.

Go to bed, sunshine.

Well what does it mean?

Blanket losses as losses, wins as wins, but don't reflect the actual quality and level of standard the boxing is.

As I said, Bellew in his only step up got iced and was never in that fight and was clearly outclassed. Brook was certainly in all fights he's had.

He was I can't deny that. And you're right about the quality in comparison but he lost those fights. He was somewhat competitive against GGG in an unwinnable fight and he was definitely competitive against Spence I had him up through 6 but they're ultimately losses. Bellew's opponent quality isn't as good but he was winning those fights, Brook's big win was three years ago it can't keep him at the top. It's worth noting that the rankings on this very site for a British pound for pound list have Bellew at 3 and Brook at 15 and that uses an unbiased points system though obviously errors will occur.

When does Brook's one win stop getting taken into account? If I was doing a list like this I would take the previous 12 months into account only otherwise you'd be ranking Amir Khan near the top till he retires and that's just silly.

Any P4P top 30 that hasn't got Gary Cornish can't be taken seriously. I'm not gonna follow this thread anymore.

boxingknockout wrote:Any P4P top 30 that hasn't got Gary Cornish can't be taken seriously. I'm not gonna follow this thread anymore.

He was outboxing Joshua for a minute, should easilly be top 10.

BitPlayer wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:Any P4P top 30 that hasn't got Gary Cornish can't be taken seriously. I'm not gonna follow this thread anymore.

He was outboxing Joshua for a minute, should easilly be top 10.

I don't want it be a pedant, but it was actually 50 seconds

However I had him ahead on points after 50 seconds against the best heavyweight in the world... which is better than no 10 world rated Breazeale could do. Cornish is world class. And he will prove it. Cornish WPts Joseph Parker.

You heard it here first

Covfefe wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Covfefe wrote:
Well what does it mean?

Blanket losses as losses, wins as wins, but don't reflect the actual quality and level of standard the boxing is.

As I said, Bellew in his only step up got iced and was never in that fight and was clearly outclassed. Brook was certainly in all fights he's had.

He was I can't deny that. And you're right about the quality in comparison but he lost those fights. He was somewhat competitive against GGG in an unwinnable fight and he was definitely competitive against Spence I had him up through 6 but they're ultimately losses. Bellew's opponent quality isn't as good but he was winning those fights, Brook's big win was three years ago it can't keep him at the top. It's worth noting that the rankings on this very site for a British pound for pound list have Bellew at 3 and Brook at 15 and that uses an unbiased points system though obviously errors will occur.

When does Brook's one win stop getting taken into account? If I was doing a list like this I would take the previous 12 months into account only otherwise you'd be ranking Amir Khan near the top till he retires and that's just silly.

When it looks like he's not a top operator his p4p rating should fall with it, imo

It's not like he's retired or anything. He won the belt, got stabbed, fought mandatory and had a quick turnaround on Gavin, fought mandatory. The golovkin and spence and bad injuries here that's slowing everything down.

Ossyrules wrote:

Covfefe wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Blanket losses as losses, wins as wins, but don't reflect the actual quality and level of standard the boxing is.

As I said, Bellew in his only step up got iced and was never in that fight and was clearly outclassed. Brook was certainly in all fights he's had.

He was I can't deny that. And you're right about the quality in comparison but he lost those fights. He was somewhat competitive against GGG in an unwinnable fight and he was definitely competitive against Spence I had him up through 6 but they're ultimately losses. Bellew's opponent quality isn't as good but he was winning those fights, Brook's big win was three years ago it can't keep him at the top. It's worth noting that the rankings on this very site for a British pound for pound list have Bellew at 3 and Brook at 15 and that uses an unbiased points system though obviously errors will occur.

When does Brook's one win stop getting taken into account? If I was doing a list like this I would take the previous 12 months into account only otherwise you'd be ranking Amir Khan near the top till he retires and that's just silly.

When it looks like he's not a top operator his p4p rating should fall with it, imo

So this was ultimately about the fact we pick our lists differently.

Covfefe wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Covfefe wrote:
He was I can't deny that. And you're right about the quality in comparison but he lost those fights. He was somewhat competitive against GGG in an unwinnable fight and he was definitely competitive against Spence I had him up through 6 but they're ultimately losses. Bellew's opponent quality isn't as good but he was winning those fights, Brook's big win was three years ago it can't keep him at the top. It's worth noting that the rankings on this very site for a British pound for pound list have Bellew at 3 and Brook at 15 and that uses an unbiased points system though obviously errors will occur.

When does Brook's one win stop getting taken into account? If I was doing a list like this I would take the previous 12 months into account only otherwise you'd be ranking Amir Khan near the top till he retires and that's just silly.

When it looks like he's not a top operator his p4p rating should fall with it, imo

So this was ultimately about the fact we pick our lists differently.

Seems that way! This is p4p for you I guess! Subjective and open to variation!

Just a right mess IMO.

If Fury is still in the rankings, he's behind Groves?

AJ should be number one - unified heavyweight champ.

Luke Campbell and Sam Eggington over Ricky Burns?

Scott Quigg over BJS?

Surprised Billy Pickles isn't on the list

Pernick Joddings wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:Any P4P top 30 that hasn't got Gary Cornish can't be taken seriously. I'm not gonna follow this thread anymore.

Any P4P top 30 that has a two year inactive, morbidly obese, unlicensed drug cheat can't be taken seriously. I'm not gonna follow this thread anymore.

Are you talking about Anthony Joshua? I don't think he can be described as obese PS I'm not following this thread any more

"Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome."


Horse - 01/06/2017



"This is how I see things, this is my opinion.

If you don't like it then go away."


Horse - later that same day

I would probably have my top 10 like this:
1. Joshua
2. Frampton
3. Groves
4. DeGale
5. Brook
6. BJS
7. Lee Selby
8. Quigg
9. Jamie McDonnell
10. Khalid Yafai

Maybe have Groves and DeGale the other way round - but the reason why I have Groves infront is because I think he beats DeGale in a rematch. Maybe swap Selby and Quigg. Might suprise a few people that I've got Yafai, but I think he is a real talent and will shine in a few years in a very tough division.

When/if Fury comes back, he will be top imo.

keirw wrote:"Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome."


Horse - 01/06/2017



"This is how I see things, this is my opinion.

If you don't like it then go away."


Horse - later that same day