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Tanzio wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
His Russian wife is not treating him well, so he hates Russians. She probably looks like Kovalev too

She probably has more chest hair than him.

When you have no argument, revert to blind jealousy. Don't you two have a date with a shemale pornsite? Enjoy

never thought that an otherwise reasonable poster would border the insanity of bnovelist or the enlightened one and all his aliases.

But i guess spending to much time in here can do that to a person.

lets wish him all the best in his recovery...

Butterbean wrote:never thought that an otherwise reasonable poster would border the insanity of bnovelist or the enlightened one and all his aliases.

But i guess spending to much time in here can do that to a person.

lets wish him all the best in his recovery...

Nothing unreasonable about countering completely biased / blind renditions of what happened the other night.

Krushedner thought he was playing a role on Broadway. He played the role well enough and long enough that he convinced Weeks that he could no longer continue. Pretty simple.

SOGgy didn't get theatrical when Krushedner landed low blows or rabbit punches. He did not stop fighting and defending himself in order to attempt to draw a point deduction from his opponent. SOGgy was not the one who repeatedly turned his back on his opponent like a middle school girl in a cat fight.

Your boy lost. Twice. Both times were a result of his own deficiencies. He is just not as skilled, gifted, tough and intelligent as SOGgy.

But he might have a future in Russian melodramas.

do you seriously claim that you think ward won the first fight tanzio ?

Tanzio wrote:Your boy lost. Twice. Both times were a result of his own deficiencies. He is just not as skilled, gifted, tough and intelligent as SOGgy.

I think he's shown he is about as skilled, but he's not got the determination, nor the intelligence. In a close fight that makes all the difference.

Tanzio wrote:

Butterbean wrote:never thought that an otherwise reasonable poster would border the insanity of bnovelist or the enlightened one and all his aliases.

But i guess spending to much time in here can do that to a person.

lets wish him all the best in his recovery...

Nothing unreasonable about countering completely biased / blind renditions of what happened the other night.

Krushedner thought he was playing a role on Broadway. He played the role well enough and long enough that he convinced Weeks that he could no longer continue. Pretty simple.

SOGgy didn't get theatrical when Krushedner landed low blows or rabbit punches. He did not stop fighting and defending himself in order to attempt to draw a point deduction from his opponent. SOGgy was not the one who repeatedly turned his back on his opponent like a middle school girl in a cat fight.

Your boy lost. Twice. Both times were a result of his own deficiencies. He is just not as skilled, gifted, tough and intelligent as SOGgy.

But he might have a future in Russian melodramas.

agree with all that, first time they fought he got outfoxed and the second he showed what he is really made of, quite liked kov as a fighter before the ward fights but the guy isn't top level he hasn't got the temperament for it

Butterbean wrote:do you seriously claim that you think ward won the first fight tanzio ?

I honestly think Ward edged it. ONce he got into a rhythm he was brilliant.

BitPlayer wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Your boy lost. Twice. Both times were a result of his own deficiencies. He is just not as skilled, gifted, tough and intelligent as SOGgy.

I think he's shown he is about as skilled, but he's not got the determination, nor the intelligence. In a close fight that makes all the difference.

I think he lost mainly because of the poor physical shape. By the way, here is a take from Abel Sanchez:

http://www.BS.com/abel-sanchez ... in--117799

Still looks like Andre Ward won good.

Ward NOT #1 P4P?
Ward is on some serious ATG status.
Gold medal.
Dominates the pros like Jones Jr and Mayweather.
Long layoff ... comes back and KOs Kovalev. Stopped Sergey Kovalev!

Even if you think he's boring, it would be like a basketball fan refusing to acknowledge Tim Duncan's greatness because they thought his game was boring (which early ratings indicated). So it can't just be the "dullness" factor. I can think of countless dull athletes who were still greatly respected for their skill.

Can't be him being too dirty ... especially if you are a Ricky Hatton or Maidana fan, which most of you Ward haters are.

So what other factor could make someone hate a fighter so much that they refuse to even acknowledge their accomplishments?

Arrogance? No. Just a healthy humble competitive confidence.
Ignorant Behavior? No.
Bad publicity for the sport? Never.
Women/Child abuser? No.
Christian. Yes. But never heard him going all Manny about it.

So what?

American p4p greats used to be amazing fighters like

Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks...

Those days seem like a million years ago. In recent times we've had the terrible luck to be given Mayweather, Hopkins and now Ward... No excitement in their fights. Loaded-dice merchants who only a certain kind of person could ever support.

Ezzard wrote:American p4p greats used to be amazing fighters like

Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks...

Those days seem like a million years ago. In recent times we've had the terrible luck to be given Mayweather, Hopkins and now Ward... No excitement in their fights. Loaded-dice merchants who only a certain kind of person could ever support.

I was thinking the same thing. The '70s and '80s had real American talent. And it's a big drop in ability from previous P4P No. 1 Mayweather to current (according to Ring Magazine) P4P No. 1 Andre Ward.

These guys are talented but they have no reason to actually entertain. It's a real shame.

RScarf1 wrote:

Ezzard wrote:American p4p greats used to be amazing fighters like

Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks...

Those days seem like a million years ago. In recent times we've had the terrible luck to be given Mayweather, Hopkins and now Ward... No excitement in their fights. Loaded-dice merchants who only a certain kind of person could ever support.

I was thinking the same thing. The '70s and '80s had real American talent. And it's a big drop in ability from previous P4P No. 1 Mayweather to current (according to Ring Magazine) P4P No. 1 Andre Ward.

I've always rooted against Ward in every fight but even I have to sit back and appreciate what the guy just did. The guy vacated his SM titles and jumped up in weight to take on, arguably, the best light heavyweight anyone has ever seen and knocked him out. I hated the stoppage but in my mind, I know that fight was over and it just saved Kovalev a dangerous beat down because Ward had plenty more to give and was in attack mode. In my mind, it was a KO. This is a boxing accomplishment that is unparalleled to me as i can't think of another boxer that did something like this at this high a level of a fight. It's pretty special.

But Ward being #1 P4P is not good for boxing because he's not active enough. Ward will be #1 for a year or 2 tops. Fans just seem to want to take something away from Ward so he won't get much time to sit idle at the top.

Not sure Kov makes a top 30 greatest 175ers let alone best ever...

caldo2025 wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:

Ezzard wrote:American p4p greats used to be amazing fighters like

Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks...

Those days seem like a million years ago. In recent times we've had the terrible luck to be given Mayweather, Hopkins and now Ward... No excitement in their fights. Loaded-dice merchants who only a certain kind of person could ever support.

I was thinking the same thing. The '70s and '80s had real American talent. And it's a big drop in ability from previous P4P No. 1 Mayweather to current (according to Ring Magazine) P4P No. 1 Andre Ward.

I've always rooted against Ward in every fight but even I have to sit back and appreciate what the guy just did. The guy vacated his SM titles and jumped up in weight to take on, arguably, the best light heavyweight anyone has ever seen and knocked him out. I hated the stoppage but in my mind, I know that fight was over and it just saved Kovalev a dangerous beat down because Ward had plenty more to give and was in attack mode. In my mind, it was a KO. This is a boxing accomplishment that is unparalleled to me as i can't think of another boxer that did something like this at this high a level of a fight. It's pretty special.

But Ward being #1 P4P is not good for boxing because he's not active enough. Ward will be #1 for a year or 2 tops. Fans just seem to want to take something away from Ward so he won't get much time to sit idle at the top.

Wait wait wait... did you really mean the best lightheavy anyone has ever seen?

Impractical Poster wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. The '70s and '80s had real American talent. And it's a big drop in ability from previous P4P No. 1 Mayweather to current (according to Ring Magazine) P4P No. 1 Andre Ward.

I've always rooted against Ward in every fight but even I have to sit back and appreciate what the guy just did. The guy vacated his SM titles and jumped up in weight to take on, arguably, the best light heavyweight anyone has ever seen and knocked him out. I hated the stoppage but in my mind, I know that fight was over and it just saved Kovalev a dangerous beat down because Ward had plenty more to give and was in attack mode. In my mind, it was a KO. This is a boxing accomplishment that is unparalleled to me as i can't think of another boxer that did something like this at this high a level of a fight. It's pretty special.

But Ward being #1 P4P is not good for boxing because he's not active enough. Ward will be #1 for a year or 2 tops. Fans just seem to want to take something away from Ward so he won't get much time to sit idle at the top.

Wait wait wait... did you really mean the best lightheavy anyone has ever seen?

Good catch. Bob Foster would have summarily executed both Krushedner and SOGgy.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Ward NOT #1 P4P?
Ward is on some serious ATG status.
Gold medal.
Dominates the pros like Jones Jr and Mayweather.
Long layoff ... comes back and KOs Kovalev. Stopped Sergey Kovalev!

Even if you think he's boring, it would be like a basketball fan refusing to acknowledge Tim Duncan's greatness because they thought his game was boring (which early ratings indicated). So it can't just be the "dullness" factor. I can think of countless dull athletes who were still greatly respected for their skill.

Can't be him being too dirty ... especially if you are a Ricky Hatton or Maidana fan, which most of you Ward haters are.

So what other factor could make someone hate a fighter so much that they refuse to even acknowledge their accomplishments?

Arrogance? No. Just a healthy humble competitive confidence.
Ignorant Behavior? No.
Bad publicity for the sport? Never.
Women/Child abuser? No.
Christian. Yes. But never heard him going all Manny about it.

So what?

ignorant behavior.... nick ?
bad publicity: did he ever win a fight without cheating or having either judges or refs in his pocket ?
not being an abuser of some sort being a critiria says a lot about where u guys get your judgement from. lmao.
and yes. he is so dirty its weird he is allowed to fight.... ohh wait. could this, just maybe, be the reason why andre fraud only fights on homesoil, with only judhes and refs from his own country ?
nahhh, its probably just me...

p4p never. only in the minds of the blind and mentally starved people, that needs idols for any price to get by in life...

sigh...

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
I've always rooted against Ward in every fight but even I have to sit back and appreciate what the guy just did. The guy vacated his SM titles and jumped up in weight to take on, arguably, the best light heavyweight anyone has ever seen and knocked him out. I hated the stoppage but in my mind, I know that fight was over and it just saved Kovalev a dangerous beat down because Ward had plenty more to give and was in attack mode. In my mind, it was a KO. This is a boxing accomplishment that is unparalleled to me as i can't think of another boxer that did something like this at this high a level of a fight. It's pretty special.

But Ward being #1 P4P is not good for boxing because he's not active enough. Ward will be #1 for a year or 2 tops. Fans just seem to want to take something away from Ward so he won't get much time to sit idle at the top.

Wait wait wait... did you really mean the best lightheavy anyone has ever seen?

Good catch. Bob Foster would have summarily executed both Krushedner and SOGgy.

I haven't heard anything more ridiculous than Ward being the best lightheavy ever. He is not even the best lightheavy now.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Wait wait wait... did you really mean the best lightheavy anyone has ever seen?

Good catch. Bob Foster would have summarily executed both Krushedner and SOGgy.

I haven't heard anything more ridiculous than Ward being the best lightheavy ever. He is not even the best lightheavy now.

Leave it to box of rocks to respond to a ludicrous claim with an even more ludicrous claim.

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
I've always rooted against Ward in every fight but even I have to sit back and appreciate what the guy just did. The guy vacated his SM titles and jumped up in weight to take on, arguably, the best light heavyweight anyone has ever seen and knocked him out. I hated the stoppage but in my mind, I know that fight was over and it just saved Kovalev a dangerous beat down because Ward had plenty more to give and was in attack mode. In my mind, it was a KO. This is a boxing accomplishment that is unparalleled to me as i can't think of another boxer that did something like this at this high a level of a fight. It's pretty special.

But Ward being #1 P4P is not good for boxing because he's not active enough. Ward will be #1 for a year or 2 tops. Fans just seem to want to take something away from Ward so he won't get much time to sit idle at the top.

Wait wait wait... did you really mean the best lightheavy anyone has ever seen?

Good catch. Bob Foster would have summarily executed both Krushedner and SOGgy.

I am thinking Roy Jones Jr. However, that's extremely debatable.

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
I've always rooted against Ward in every fight but even I have to sit back and appreciate what the guy just did. The guy vacated his SM titles and jumped up in weight to take on, arguably, the best light heavyweight anyone has ever seen and knocked him out. I hated the stoppage but in my mind, I know that fight was over and it just saved Kovalev a dangerous beat down because Ward had plenty more to give and was in attack mode. In my mind, it was a KO. This is a boxing accomplishment that is unparalleled to me as i can't think of another boxer that did something like this at this high a level of a fight. It's pretty special.

But Ward being #1 P4P is not good for boxing because he's not active enough. Ward will be #1 for a year or 2 tops. Fans just seem to want to take something away from Ward so he won't get much time to sit idle at the top.

Wait wait wait... did you really mean the best lightheavy anyone has ever seen?

Good catch. Bob Foster would have summarily executed both Krushedner and SOGgy.

Bob Foster is insanely overrated, I'd like both of their chances against him, especially Ward's.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Wait wait wait... did you really mean the best lightheavy anyone has ever seen?

Good catch. Bob Foster would have summarily executed both Krushedner and SOGgy.

Bob Foster is insanely overrated, I'd like both of their chances against him, especially Ward's.

Nice trolling Saad.

Yeah, Foster lost eight fights in his career, two at the age of 40. 5 of the other six losses were to heavyweights. His only loss to a light heavyweight prior to the age of 40 or 39 was a 10 round decision to a Peruvian in Lima.

How do you suppose SOGgy and Krushedner would have done v Ali, Frazier, Zora Folley, and Ernie Terrell?

Foster ktfo 12 of his first 13 opponents for the LHW championship. He was tall, long and hit as hard as most HW's. He used his length well. He would have had over seven inches of reach on either of the top two LHW's of today.

Bob Foster is not overrated at all, let alone "insanely." Let me know when SOGgy and / or Krushedner start fighting AJ, Wilder, Ortiz, Wlad, or for that matter Usyk, Briedis, Gassiev, etc..

Tanzio wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Good catch. Bob Foster would have summarily executed both Krushedner and SOGgy.

Bob Foster is insanely overrated, I'd like both of their chances against him, especially Ward's.

Nice trolling Saad.

Yeah, Foster lost eight fights in his career, two at the age of 40. 5 of the other six losses were to heavyweights. His only loss to a light heavyweight prior to the age of 40 or 39 was a 10 round decision to a Peruvian in Lima.

How do you suppose SOGgy and Krushedner would have done v Ali, Frazier, Zora Folley, and Ernie Terrell?

Foster ktfo 12 of his first 13 opponents for the LHW championship. He was tall, long and hit as hard as most HW's. He used his length well. He would have had over seven inches of reach on either of the top two LHW's of today.

Bob Foster is not overrated at all, let alone "insanely." Let me know when SOGgy and / or Krushedner start fighting AJ, Wilder, Ortiz, Wlad, or for that matter Usyk, Briedis, Gassiev, etc..

Trolling?

You're getting a little over the top for people that disagree with you. I imagine Ward and Kovalev would get destroyed by top Heavyweights like Foster did. His resume is extremely thin for where people rate him. Certainly very talented, but the fact that he's the first name that came to you is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't think Ward or Kovalev would go life and death with Ahumada or Fourie.Tiger, Cotton and Hank are very good wins, not a whole lot historical after that. But yeah, trolling.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You're getting a little over the top for people that disagree with you. I imagine Ward and Kovalev would get destroyed by top Heavyweights like Foster did. His resume is extremely thin for where people rate him. Certainly very talented, but the fact that he's the first name that came to you is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't think Ward or Kovalev would go life and death with Ahumada or Fourie.Tiger, Cotton and Hank are very good wins, not a whole lot historical after that. But yeah, trolling.

You know what you were doing. "Insanely overrated." You were fishing for a reaction from me. Don't take a cliché term so personally.

Foster is the first one I think of because he is the first LHW who I watched. He was a beautiful and extremely dangerous fighter. He was a damned good boxer and his power makes Krushedner's pale. He had a killer instinct similar to The Hitman and Hitman Jr.

Your Ahumada reference is totally divisive since I am certain that you are aware that it was his 14th or 15th defense, he was well past prime for those days and he essentially retired after that fight to return a year later for a final run in his late 30's. Foster destroyed his peers of the time. He wiped out what was placed in front of him.

Times were different. There were no SMW or Cruiser divisions. Bob Foster was an absolute demolision man at LHW. He deserves the moniker of Krusher far more than the current version.