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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

crusader wrote:I consider power to be more of a raw talent than a skill. If a crude KO artist brutally stopped someone with a wild combo, I wouldn't say that they showed impressive skill.

I shouldn't say it so cut and dry, but i'd consider Joshua's power at least equal in 'skill' to Fury's best attribute; size.

Agree, comparing single factors, I think power makes Joshua more effective as a fighter than range makes fury effective as a fighter. I believe fury's size advantage would be useless against Joshua even if fury was 7 foot tall and still moved as well.

As has been mentioned before he isn't really an active fighter so ignoring that part of the question ...

A big part of Fury's ability lies in his huge 6' 9" frame. Being enormous isn't necessarily an advantage you gotta know how to exploit it or it can even work against you - see David Price.

That is the beauty of Tyson Fury. He knows exactly how to get the best out of what nature has given him. His huge reach gives his jab a distinct advantage even before you start factoring in technique or hand speed,

Tyson moves extremely well for such a big man, he is very elusive and tough to pin down. Even someone as experienced as Klitschko just didn't know how to get to grips with him.

I don't think there can be much doubt that If you were to scale him down to a more manageable 6' 3" or 6' 4", and corresponding reach, took away some of his natural speed and agility, then in terms of pure boxing technique he would come up short against a lot of fighters, even those as low on the totem pole as Malik Scott never mind yer Klitschko, Joshua, Ortiz, Pulev or Povetkin.

There again that is absurd because that is who Tyson is, he is extremely skillful and effective at employing his natural advantages. It's a bit like saying "Yeah but how good would Usain Bolt be, if he couldn't run so fast ... yeah ... answer me that one?!" ... see what I mean - complete bollocks.

He has decent skills in a division lacking in depth and skilled operators since Lennox Lewis's day

People shouldn't underestimate the biggest assets Fury has over anything, size. I mean not to be disrespectful, but he enjoys physical advantages that only heavyweights can.

He enjoyed an 8 inch height advantage over chisora and god knows the reach advantage. You can't take it away from him, this is heavyweight boxing. No other divisional champion could fathom what advantages like that feels like.

I'd also say that it's near extinct that any heavyweight has been trained to know how to get inside, how to fight inside. There seems no Eddie futchs about teaching these ways. Everything is fought on the outside basically. So being bigger is a real bonus to have for someone like Fury.

Re the Joshua and Fury whose most skilled argument going on. Broadly speaking, Joshua shows much more in an attacking sense, fury has showed more skill defensively so far in there careers.

Fury shouldn't be considered active either now Valmar, sorry mate

I enjoy Tyson Fury's ridiculous outbursts when he's an active fighter because it generates a response from people (including me) and we get something out of it in the form of a fight. The problem is that he isn't an active fighter. He's a mentally ill sumo wrestler/RV enthusiast posing as "linear world heavyweight champion." Without question he won that title in the worst major heavyweight title fight in history. He has proceeded to not fight since, isn't training, and continues to talk unabated in order to keep his name in the press in spite of being in no shape to compete and without a license. He'd literally need to head to an Indian reservation or some backwoods in America/Eastern Europe to compete.

As far as talking about his skills, his biggest skill as others state is "big". He has adjusted well for being a big guy that doesn't seem to hit all that hard to the pro game. I mean, obviously he has, he obtained a Ring Magazine title. But this isn't entirely unlike Wladimir Klitschko, who also wouldn't have been a dominant force in the division year after year if he hadn't been 6'6''. And Joshua is probably in a similar framework. Is he more skilled than Joshua? Apples and oranges. Is Cory Spinks more skilled as a fighter than Ike Quartey? Ike never won the linear welterweight title and Cory Spinks did. They aren't that dramatically different in their basic physical dimensions. But they do vastly different things as fighters. Tyson Fury lacks the smooth combination punching, especially to the body, that Joshua has displayed during his career. Joshua can't dance and move like Fury does, or at least hasn't found himself feeling the need to do so. That all makes sense given each man's punching power and chins and what realistically is the style they should be employing.

Jabba the Pizza Slut is at least an ATG at stuffing his pie and hoover holes.

Many posters claim that Fury is no more active boxer. OK, they might be right, but I hope he will be back soon. So, he has not lost his skills during the night, and we can imagine version from Chisora 2 fight, or even Wlad fight if you insist.
Tyson Fury is precious for boxing, he is able to attract the whole army of new fans, and this is extremely important for the sweet science - honestly speaking it is dying sport in the three quarters of Europe.

I do not accept size issues, simply, he is a very big guy. What if Wlad had been smaller than Lomachenko ? Senseless....

- Da je baki kurac, bila bi djed----If grandmother had a p..is, he would be a grandfather-----Difficult to translate old Balkanian proverb, but i hope you can understand my point.

Fury is just living off a horrible performance by Klitschko. Wladimir would have lost to any top 10 HW that night. He didn't throw a punch.

Loki wrote:Fury is just living off a horrible performance by Klitschko. Wladimir would have lost to any top 10 HW that night. He didn't throw a punch.

It's weird. Fury is so lucky it's almost like boxing is a sport where your competitor effects how you perform. Chisora underperformed against him, but not against Whyte, Christian Hammer underperformed against him, but not against Price, and then so did Wlad, but not against j=Joshua. It is like when Gary Cornish inexplicably underperformed against Joshua, not to mention all the terrible performances people kept having against Mayweather

Is this a joke? ... what's the punch-line? ...

BitPlayer wrote:

Loki wrote:Fury is just living off a horrible performance by Klitschko. Wladimir would have lost to any top 10 HW that night. He didn't throw a punch.

It's weird. Fury is so lucky it's almost like boxing is a sport where your competitor effects how you perform. Chisora underperformed against him, but not against Whyte, Christian Hammer underperformed against him, but not against Price, and then so did Wlad, but not against j=Joshua. It is like when Gary Cornish inexplicably underperformed against Joshua, not to mention all the terrible performances people kept having against Mayweather

Just off nights. I think with Klitschko, he just had a kid and that dip in form has been replicated by Andy Murray and Novak.

Fury is a handful and awkward. But, he's seriously overated and will get KOd as soon as someone shows up to fight him.

crusader wrote:Who would people rate above him in skill?

Luis Ortiz and then...hmmm... I think that's it... not too many Heavyweights more skillful than the Fury who beat Waldimir...

Joshua is a better Heavyweight, but that's because of his physical strength, conditioning, and punching power together surpass Fury's skills.. But on the night he beat Klitschko, Fury was still the world's top Heavyweight, probably.. How many fights did Joshua have at that time??

Let's say you're Tyson Fury.. You're in an enviable position.. You're an undefeated young Heavyweight with English being your first language -- and you just won the Lineal Heavyweight Championship of the World from a guy who ruled for over 10 years... You're obviously doing something right... Now, wouldn't you double down and work even harder??? You know damned well you're on the right track.. You're undefeated and just scored the upset of the year in December.. The world is your oyster.. If Tyson just did the rematch with Wladimir and LOST he'd be a wealthy man.. Buster Douglas didn't train for his 1st Title Defense.. He was already filthy rich from the 25 Million Dollar guarantee for Holyfield.. But he DID actually FIGHT Holyfield... and got paid.

Is THAT the time to take your foot off the gas peddle and let a group of young Heavyweights edge up on you???

ValMar wrote:Is Tyson Fury the most skillful active HW ?

There are probably other heavyweight fighters that are more fundamentally sound/skilled than Tyson Fury, such as Lenroy Thomas and Hughie Fury. I’m solely referring to skills alone (i.e. none the other attributes that contributes to a boxers make-up).

However, those fighters that possess superior boxing skills than Tyson Fury are usually too small, lack conditioning, can’t punch, lack durability or are simply too old.

So Tyson Fury isn’t the most skilful currently active heavyweight on the planet, but when he’s in shape and competing, he’s probably the top-dog of the division, where his size, natural athleticism and boxing skills are far superior than his world-rated peers.

ValMar wrote:Considering skills only, Tyson Fury (healthy/fit/in shape version) is #1 HW. I have not said that he is the best, but he is the most skillful HW nowadays. I know that there are a lot of TF's haters here, on this forum, but after rewatching at least ten fights, I am convinced that I am right.
What do you think ?

I have written : healthy, fit, in shape version.

No, he's not the most skillful, nor is he active.

When in shape, and mentally focused, he is the tallest most mobile big man with ungainly but fast legs and the stamina to box from a distance and move for 12 rounds. That makes him tough to beat.

But his power and chin are average. His heart seems decent enough.

If Fury fought a more focuses Wlad that went 11 rounds with Joshua and had him in trouble, he losses.

It was a case of the stars aligning for Fury as he was in shape, focused, and had Wlad less than motivated with nothing at the time to prove.

I hope it has been pointed out 100 times that Fury is not active. He is irrelevant. Stupid thread.

Badhusker wrote:I hope it has been pointed out 100 times that Fury is not active. He is irrelevant. Stupid thread.

Buffets fear him

Tanzio wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I hope it has been pointed out 100 times that Fury is not active. He is irrelevant. Stupid thread.

Buffets fear him

True, but I'm not sure if he could eat more than Babyfat Miller though....

Badhusker wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I hope it has been pointed out 100 times that Fury is not active. He is irrelevant. Stupid thread.

Buffets fear him

True, but I'm not sure if he could eat more than Babyfat Miller though....

Are you questioning Jabba the Pizza Slut's ATG status?

Badhusker wrote:I hope it has been pointed out 100 times that Fury is not active. He is irrelevant. Stupid thread.

I might be stupid, but this tread is not stupid.
I am not sure that it is wise to consider irrelevant fighter who had defeated the best HW of the last decade.

Boxer X has been invincible almost ten years. He hes to be a relevant one.
Boxer Y defeated Boxer X.
Boxer Y is irrelevant ?
Basic logic ?

ValMar wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I hope it has been pointed out 100 times that Fury is not active. He is irrelevant. Stupid thread.

I might be stupid, but this tread is not stupid.
I am not sure that it is wise to consider irrelevant fighter who had defeated the best HW of the last decade.

Boxer X has been invincible almost ten years. He hes to be a relevant one.
Boxer Y defeated Boxer X.
Boxer Y is irrelevant ?
Basic logic ?

He is anything but irrelevant to restaurants with all you can eat nights.

Tanzio wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I hope it has been pointed out 100 times that Fury is not active. He is irrelevant. Stupid thread.

I might be stupid, but this tread is not stupid.
I am not sure that it is wise to consider irrelevant fighter who had defeated the best HW of the last decade.

Boxer X has been invincible almost ten years. He hes to be a relevant one.
Boxer Y defeated Boxer X.
Boxer Y is irrelevant ?
Basic logic ?

He is anything but irrelevant to restaurants with all you can eat nights.

Tanzio !

ValMar wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

ValMar wrote:
I might be stupid, but this tread is not stupid.
I am not sure that it is wise to consider irrelevant fighter who had defeated the best HW of the last decade.

Boxer X has been invincible almost ten years. He hes to be a relevant one.
Boxer Y defeated Boxer X.
Boxer Y is irrelevant ?
Basic logic ?

He is anything but irrelevant to restaurants with all you can eat nights.

Tanzio !

Never let it be said that I do not recognize gifts and skills.

Tanzio wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Tanzio wrote: He is anything but irrelevant to restaurants with all you can eat nights.

Tanzio !

Never let it be said that I do not recognize gifts and skills.

Sometimes, I am upset, because of your comments, but I have to admit that you are witty, sometimes.......

ValMar wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I hope it has been pointed out 100 times that Fury is not active. He is irrelevant. Stupid thread.

I might be stupid, but this tread is not stupid.
I am not sure that it is wise to consider irrelevant fighter who had defeated the best HW of the last decade.

Boxer X has been invincible almost ten years. He hes to be a relevant one.
Boxer Y defeated Boxer X.
Boxer Y is irrelevant ?
Basic logic ?

Basic logic? Here is mine. Fury beat Wlad in the worst championship fight of all time as far as total punches landed. He beat Wlad mainly with feints to keep Wlad from throwing. It worked. Wlad obviously wasn't himself. Remember, Wlad reigned a long time, but is over 40, and at the end of his career. Its not like Fury beat a prime Wlad. By the way, the version of Wlad that lost to Joshua would have KO'd Fury imo.

Fury is irrelevant because he is not active, a pathetic excuse for a human being in more ways than one, and said himself he hates boxing and it is a disgrace for others to call him an athlete. It is a disgrace to mention him on a forum because of the things he has said and how he has talked about boxing.

My two cents.

Tazio is right about his eating skills though. He should get into eating contests now, and forget about boxing.

"Is Tyson Fury the most skillful active HW?"

..is he active?

Badhusker wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I hope it has been pointed out 100 times that Fury is not active. He is irrelevant. Stupid thread.

I might be stupid, but this tread is not stupid.
I am not sure that it is wise to consider irrelevant fighter who had defeated the best HW of the last decade.

Boxer X has been invincible almost ten years. He hes to be a relevant one.
Boxer Y defeated Boxer X.
Boxer Y is irrelevant ?
Basic logic ?

Basic logic? Here is mine. Fury beat Wlad in the worst championship fight of all time as far as total punches landed. He beat Wlad mainly with feints to keep Wlad from throwing. It worked. Wlad obviously wasn't himself. Remember, Wlad reigned a long time, but is over 40, and at the end of his career. Its not like Fury beat a prime Wlad. By the way, the version of Wlad that lost to Joshua would have KO'd Fury imo.

Fury is irrelevant because he is not active, a pathetic excuse for a human being in more ways than one, and said himself he hates boxing and it is a disgrace for others to call him an athlete. It is a disgrace to mention him on a forum because of the things he has said and how he has talked about boxing.

My two cents.

Tazio is right about his eating skills though. He should get into eating contests now, and forget about boxing.

Badhusker, answer this question, frankly, please - Do you agree with me that Tyson Fury is capable to attract thousands and thousands new boxing fans ?