Golovkin v Alvarez tactics

[KiwiRider]

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[KiwiRider]

I think Jacobs' speed, length, and movement would've been a nightmare for Canelo

116-112 Jacobs, or wider

Not in Vegas it wouldn't be

Classic!!

[Oiky]

I think Jacobs would beat Canelo too

[youngrell]

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Yes my sides are splitting

[coneye]

Well one things for sure , we all know Canelo can give it , in fact he's out and out one, of the top 5 givers in the world .. BUT what we don't know is CAN he take it ,, his penchant for fighting undersize or weight drained opponents could be the reason he stands out and looks so impressive , GGG on the other hand we know can give it , but we also know he CAN take it , This coupled with the fact he has a solid piston like jab and just basic back up power in both hands , and incredable ability to find the right distance at all times,he's just looking better and better to me ,

Unless of course has i said above its a grab and hold fight and Canelo is allowed to do it , Its Canelo just going to wear him down with shots he's not used to

Canelo has never grabbed and held in a fight, that I know of. not that it means he won't this time, but like anything, being good at a grabbing/spoiling game in boxing generally requires prior practise.

True , but i really can't see him outboxing GGG , footwork and distancing from GGG , BACKED UP BY A SOLID CHIN , GOOD HARD JAB , AND VERY HEAVY HANDS spells doom for Canelo , GGG executes basic punches to perfection , Canelo has to nulify that , and one way is sit on his chest grabbing holding , , punch going in and let them go on the break ,BUT, you need a ref who's going to allow it , and he's Canelo in Vegas so thats took care of , and you need physical strenght , and looking at Canelo he;s been bulking up when in boxing terms it won't help him , in holding and wrestling terms , ala , Hatton - kOSTA , Tyson and lots others , strenght and bulk will help him ,, I could be wrong (and usualy am )but i see this has there game plan .

[coneye]

I think Jacobs would beat Canelo too

Me too ,, although it would never happen

[Counter-puncher]

Well one things for sure , we all know Canelo can give it , in fact he's out and out one, of the top 5 givers in the world .. BUT what we don't know is CAN he take it ,, his penchant for fighting undersize or weight drained opponents could be the reason he stands out and looks so impressive , GGG on the other hand we know can give it , but we also know he CAN take it , This coupled with the fact he has a solid piston like jab and just basic back up power in both hands , and incredable ability to find the right distance at all times,he's just looking better and better to me ,

Unless of course has i said above its a grab and hold fight and Canelo is allowed to do it , Its Canelo just going to wear him down with shots he's not used to

Canelo has never grabbed and held in a fight, that I know of. not that it means he won't this time, but like anything, being good at a grabbing/spoiling game in boxing generally requires prior practise.

True , but i really can't see him outboxing GGG , footwork and distancing from GGG , BACKED UP BY A SOLID CHIN , GOOD HARD JAB , AND VERY HEAVY HANDS spells doom for Canelo , GGG executes basic punches to perfection , Canelo has to nulify that , and one way is sit on his chest grabbing holding , , punch going in and let them go on the break ,BUT, you need a ref who's going to allow it , and he's Canelo in Vegas so thats took care of , and you need physical strenght , and looking at Canelo he;s been bulking up when in boxing terms it won't help him , in holding and wrestling terms , ala , Hatton - kOSTA , Tyson and lots others , strenght and bulk will help him ,, I could be wrong (and usualy am )but i see this has there game plan .

You certainly outline what would be a quite logical fight plan. It's certainly what a Hopkins or Ward would do. I just think it takes more practise and skill than Alvarez has had time to develop, having never needed to use it (outmatched and outweighed opponents etc) and so never developing it.

[Counter-puncher]

Also you need a good engine to do all that mauling and wrestling? That stuff is hard. That type of plan requires a constant output of energy, punching or wrestling, and Canelo don't like a constant output of energy. He likes his man to stand impotently in front of him waiting to get punched. Or at least running away and not threatening to hit him too hard back*







*im being facetious. Slightly.

[lefty]

I said this in anther post but if I was Canelo; I'd just solely (pretty much) target the body. No point trying to hurt Golovkin with head shots when he's got a cement like head. We don't really know how GGG''s body will hold up with a sustained and persistent attack. I have a feeling that is gonna be a big part of their strategy anyway.

[coneye]

I think regardless, we will all agree Canelo is going to have to come up with something different than his usual style , because its just not going to work against a hard tough , solid puncher who can cut him off .. Still we might all be suprised , Canelo may have the speed to stand his ground , and let 3-4 fast punches go and move away ,,, thats the intriguing thing about this fight , there both good , there both strong , ones getting better and ones getting older .

If there is a plus to Canelos game , he already has a loss , so it takes a bit of mental pressure off him .Personaly its ordered and i can't wait

[bbjc]

Great fight. Cant see past golovkin but he needs to be better than his last two fights. For my money canelo wont be able to deal with the heat in there. Golovkin doesnt give you room to breath when he gets going. Pressures you...if he gets success he then pressures you some more without letting you have breathers. Canelos stamina wont hold up to have the output to keep him off. Golovkin a master at making you work to keep him off. Its tyring work. To keep him off you need to work harder than you want to.

Canelos got a few options. Go for the body from the off. Walk him onto something big. Or fight him and push him back.

Backing offs a recipe for disaster against golovkin. Even fast guys are struggling to keep him off...cause he cuts the ring off so well. Canelos a good counterpuncher tho. I dont think hes that good he can counter him all night. But he certainly can walk him into something big. Ggg gets careless at times with his pressure. Think he,ll be smarter in this one tho.

He can just go for the body from the off. Standing his ground mostly. And slowly work his way into the fight. Hoping the body work pays off then slowly start backing him up. Thats the secret to beating ggg backing him up. Hes at his best when hes on the front foot. Canelos just about strong enough to stand with him. As soon as he starts back8ng up hes up against it tho. Needs to stand his ground keep the defence tight and start slowly trying to back him up.

Moneys on golovkin tho.

[TheGingerBomber]

Saw a bit of the presser with GGG speaking and I thought he looked ill, like, contaminated Russian spy type ill.

[Kilburn]

I've been annoyed in the past about this fight taking so long to make, to the benefit of Alvarez it would seem. But it's now here and my instincts tell me the Mexican takes this via explosive, round-winning bursts of punches. The kind of bursts that Golovkin cannot produce in return despite his borderline immortal status.

I don't believe Alvarez will come anywhere close to being stopped either via punching power or cardio.

[crusader]

Dont think he has borderline immortal status anymore. Ive seen loads of picks going against him and the betting odds are super close.

[Tanzio]

Footage suggests that GingerHead is massive compared to 3G. He has muscled up a bunch. Also, his combinations definitely look quicker. 3G seems to dig individual shots more. That made the Jacobs fight close. He threw too many single shots. Furthermore, he failed to commit to Jacob's body. 3G tends to absorb combos and fire back when his opponent is aggressive.

The reality remains that 3G has met the tougher competition in the recent past by a good distance. He appeared to have some trigger trouble v Jacobs but that was due to Daniel's quickness, movement and power.

GingerHead is coming in the size of a bull but will he be able to beat 3G to the punch, make him miss and hesitate, and absorb the inevitable punishment?

I'm still going with 3G, and I am convinced that it will be a full blown tactical war.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I said this in anther post but if I was Canelo; I'd just solely (pretty much) target the body. No point trying to hurt Golovkin with head shots when he's got a cement like head. We don't really know how GGG''s body will hold up with a sustained and persistent attack. I have a feeling that is gonna be a big part of their strategy anyway.

Going exclusively to the body would leave him open to head shots.

[johnswan1]

Canelo has it all to do. His power is questionable and completely unproven at the weight. In his lone 160lb outing against Chavez, he had his own way with a weight drained opponent who he used as a punchbag for 12 rounds with a stoppage never looking likely. Ok, he managed to stop known china-chins Khan and Kirkland along with Euro level Liam Smith (who did have his moments of success) – but against the likes of Cotto, Trout, Lara, hell even Matthew Hatton, the difference in size, strength and perceived power did not result in stoppage victories.

Canelo is undoubtedly a very good fighter, and in his physical prime, but it is a huge ask to beat even a 35 year old version of GGG. Is it possible that Golovkin could get old overnight as we saw with Gonzalez at the weekend? Maybe. He’s certainly more likely to be getting worse than better at this stage of his career, and although I was disappointed with his performance against Jacobs, I’ll give him a pass on the basis that Jacobs came in big, moved very well, and for me primarily fought to survive. Also going into that fight you have to wonder about the motivation of Golovkin, something which can’t be in question here.

My prediction is that we’ll see a tentative first few rounds where Canelo does have some counterpunching success – with sharp, eye catching, but not particularly hurtful punching (similar to what Brook achieved), before GGG takes over. As soon as Canelo decides to try to take a breather or move to the ropes – something he always does – that will be the beginning of the end. Golovkin’s relentless pressure and punching power will leave him nowhere to hide. The Mexican will end up down on one knee in the mid to late rounds looking towards his corner. Golovkin by convincing stoppage in rounds 7-12 looks outstanding value to me at 100/30.

[Autobarn]

Alvarez is a flashy in bursts 8 round fighter and if Golovkin is the real deal in terms of pressure fighting he should win.

Though Alvarez can fight in fierce bursts and looks strong and hard to budge.

Alvarez going down, up and back down in weight could really work against him, if Golovkin uses varied attack including a commitment to body punching.

Really hope it delivers but I'm cynical.

[youngrell]

Alvarez is a flashy in bursts 8 round fighter and if Golovkin is the real deal in terms of pressure fighting he should win.

Though Alvarez can fight in fierce bursts and looks strong and hard to budge.

Alvarez going down, up and back down in weight could really work against him, if Golovkin uses varied attack including a commitment to body punching.

Really hope it delivers but I'm cynical.

I don't think it can fail – two fighters who like to let their hands go, can both throw every punch in the book well and in combinations, both tough and confident of a win. Neither man renowned for holding or scrappy fights, I'd be amazed if it isn't a cracker.

The only thing I believe can spoil it is poor officiating.

[crusader]

I think some people really overplay how much and how good of a counterpuncher Canelo is. He's got more of that to him than GGG does, but he's been a plod forward, combo punching stalker in more fights than he's been this slick counterpuncher who loves to outbox aggressive opponents (like sloth Angulo).

[Tanzio]

I think some people really overplay how much and how good of a counterpuncher Canelo is. He's got more of that to him than GGG does, but he's been a plod forward, combo punching stalker in more fights than he's been this slick counterpuncher who loves to outbox aggressive opponents (like sloth Angulo).

True . . . but what about that brilliant counter punching performance v The Corpse of JCC Jr?

[Counter-puncher]

I think some people really overplay how much and how good of a counterpuncher Canelo is. He's got more of that to him than GGG does, but he's been a plod forward, combo punching stalker in more fights than he's been this slick counterpuncher who loves to outbox aggressive opponents (like sloth Angulo).

[Counter-puncher]

I think regardless, we will all agree Canelo is going to have to come up with something different than his usual style , because its just not going to work against a hard tough , solid puncher who can cut him off .. Still we might all be suprised , Canelo may have the speed to stand his ground , and let 3-4 fast punches go and move away ,,, thats the intriguing thing about this fight , there both good , there both strong , ones getting better and ones getting older .

If there is a plus to Canelos game , he already has a loss , so it takes a bit of mental pressure off him .Personaly its ordered and i can't wait

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Most of those seem harder to type than their actual names/abbreviated names commonly used.

Its called humour.

Yes my sides are splitting

[lefty]

I said this in anther post but if I was Canelo; I'd just solely (pretty much) target the body. No point trying to hurt Golovkin with head shots when he's got a cement like head. We don't really know how GGG''s body will hold up with a sustained and persistent attack. I have a feeling that is gonna be a big part of their strategy anyway.

Going exclusively to the body would leave him open to head shots.

Depends on when he threw them. I didnt mean throw them with reckless abandonment. Pick the right time to throw them.