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boxing_rocks wrote:Kovalev won the first fight, but yes, he did quit in the second fighting against Ward+Weeks duo. JDJ on the other hand is a dirty traitor.

He didn't quit , he may have wanted to but he didn't quit.

Nicolas Walters vs Lomachenko is what quitting is

Duran vs Leonard is what quitting is

Vitali Klitscko vs Byrd is what quitting is

Kovalev was willing to accept his punishment and he got in the form of three consecutive low blows which by the letter of the law should have been at minimum 5 minutes rest, or a win for Kovalev buy DQ, Yes Ward did fight better continuing his improved tactics of the last 6 rounds of the first fight, which along with low blows and border line shots where leading to the probable KO of Kovalev. Kovalev was gassed but none the less winning the fight by a wide margin on points in my view and think the judges view when he got KO'd.

Nah, two judges already had Ward ahead. The robbery was in the bag(again).

Lol@EO's thread backfire.

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boxing_rocks wrote:
Tanzio

Lmao, that is actually a relatively decent likeness.

boxing_rocks wrote:Kovalev won the first fight, but yes, he did quit in the second fighting against Ward+Weeks duo. JDJ on the other hand is a dirty traitor.

The main things Krusher did wrong was 1. hiring that that no good traitor of a trainer and 2. Agreeing to fight again in LV, the crookedest city in the world, after he had already been blatantly robbed there the first time, and 3. not hitting Ward back below the belt when Ward continued to do it to him with the Las Vegas so called referee of course not seeing a thing except visions of the cash the mob was going to pay him.

x2x wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Kovalev won the first fight, but yes, he did quit in the second fighting against Ward+Weeks duo. JDJ on the other hand is a dirty traitor.

The main things Krusher did wrong was 1. hiring that that no good traitor of a trainer and 2. Agreeing to fight again in LV, the crookedest city in the world, after he had already been blatantly robbed there the first time, and 3. not hitting Ward back below the belt when Ward continued to do it to him with the Las Vegas so called referee of course not seeing a thing except visions of the cash the mob was going to pay him.

The flood of tears continues

I was a fan of John David Jackson for 30 years.. Not anymore... Now I know he's the biggest piece of skat in the universe.

The first thing that amazed me was hearing that John David Jackson tried to give Kovalev's training secrets away to the Ward camp -- something they said they rejected.. Then they said JDJ tried to leave Kovalev and join the Ward camp -- which was also rejected.. Jackson then called Hunter, Ward, and others in the Ward camp "a pack of liars" and said "My relationship with Kovalev is now stronger than ever because of all the lies they told."

Now it looks like John David Jackson has been the liar -- and is on the outs with Kovalev because Sergei's getting nothing but half assed coaching from him.

Kalan wrote:I was a fan of John David Jackson for 30 years.. Not anymore... Now I know he's the biggest piece of skat in the universe.

The first thing that amazed me was hearing that John David Jackson tried to give Kovalev's training secrets away to the Ward camp -- something they said they rejected.. Then they said JDJ tried to leave Kovalev and join the Ward camp -- which was also rejected.. Jackson then called Hunter, Ward, and others in the Ward camp "a pack of liars" and said "My relationship with Kovalev is now stronger than ever because of all the lies they told."

Now it looks like John David Jackson has been the liar -- and is on the outs with Kovalev because Sergei's getting nothing but half assed coaching from him.

Yea Jackson looking like someone you don't want in your corner. Don Turner said some bad stuff too about Kovalev, Sergey fell in with some fair weather friends there man..well hopefully Kovalev will be more astute in picking team mates(coaches), maybe Klimas can help him find some better people (even though Klimas used to work for Don Turner) for the final couple of years of his career, as Able Sanchez says Kovalev has trust issues,I am sure they won't get any better after dealing with Turner and Jackson.

victor-romeo wrote:

Kalan wrote:I was a fan of John David Jackson for 30 years.. Not anymore... Now I know he's the biggest piece of skat in the universe.

The first thing that amazed me was hearing that John David Jackson tried to give Kovalev's training secrets away to the Ward camp -- something they said they rejected.. Then they said JDJ tried to leave Kovalev and join the Ward camp -- which was also rejected.. Jackson then called Hunter, Ward, and others in the Ward camp "a pack of liars" and said "My relationship with Kovalev is now stronger than ever because of all the lies they told."

Now it looks like John David Jackson has been the liar -- and is on the outs with Kovalev because Sergei's getting nothing but half assed coaching from him.

Yea Jackson looking like someone you don't want in your corner. Don Turner said some bad stuff too about Kovalev, Sergey fell in with some fair weather friends there man..well hopefully Kovalev will be more astute in picking team mates(coaches), maybe Klimas can help him find some better people (even though Klimas used to work for Don Turner) for the final couple of years of his career, as Able Sanchez says Kovalev has trust issues,I am sure they won't get any better after dealing with Turner and Jackson.

Poor mistreated Krushedner.

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:John David Jackson putting Kov's business out there like this should just ensure that no other fighter worth a damn bothers to hire Jackson as their trainer. If you can't be a professional with confidential info, you have no business being in the position to receive it.

True.

I have not read any of his diatribe(s). Do not need a trainer or anyone else to tell me what I witnessed in the rematch; Krushedner quit.

Yeah pretty much. Tony Weeks definitely should've been issuing warnings or point deductions for some of those egregious low blows, but rather than looking to the referee and complaining Kovalev should've been low blowing Ward back. That's what I'd do in the ring. You hit me in the balls, and the ref don't say nothing to you...I'm gonna hit you twice in the balls, or headbutt you in the face or something.

Exactly. That's what i was disappointed in Kovalev about. He's a tough guy. Why was he trying to play nice and fair like the baby face when he was in there with the Weeks and Ward tag team heels, with turncoat Jackson back in his corner too? Some wrestling story line. He should have turned heel and KOd Weeks and his girlfriend with solid below the belt blows, and then KOd the Las Vegas wise guys all dressed up in their fancy italian cut judge suits. That would have been the proper story line. And then you could have had Boxingmania 3 with Jackson in the Ward corner along with Weeks, where they belong

x2x wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote: True.

I have not read any of his diatribe(s). Do not need a trainer or anyone else to tell me what I witnessed in the rematch; Krushedner quit.

Yeah pretty much. Tony Weeks definitely should've been issuing warnings or point deductions for some of those egregious low blows, but rather than looking to the referee and complaining Kovalev should've been low blowing Ward back. That's what I'd do in the ring. You hit me in the balls, and the ref don't say nothing to you...I'm gonna hit you twice in the balls, or headbutt you in the face or something.

Exactly. That's what i was disappointed in Kovalev about. He's a tough guy. Why was he trying to play nice and fair like the baby face when he was in there with the Weeks and Ward tag team heels, with turncoat Jackson back in his corner too? Some wrestling story line. He should have turned heel and KOd Weeks and his girlfriend with solid below the belt blows, and then KOd the Las Vegas wise guys all dressed up in their fancy italian cut judge suits. That would have been the proper story line. And then you could have had Boxingmania 3 with Jackson in the Ward corner along with Weeks, where they belong

I hope if Bob Arum steals your idea you get a cut of the action.That would be funny as hell Weeks and Jackson in Wards corner..With maybe Kathy Duva and take your pick in Kovalev's corner..

Listen to the entirety of the seventeen-minute John David Jackson radio interview by clicking on one of the hyperlinks below:

• John David Jackson: "Sergey Kovalev is a real A*shole - He quit against Ward"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84lxN-Np47M

For the record, he elaborates on the justification for his criticism of Sergey Kovalev, which I feel addresses some of the complaints targeted against him within multiple threads in this forum.

Whilst I’m still unsure about whether or not he should have delivered his scathing criticism of Krusher in this manner, his thoughts about the Russian are deeply intriguing.

Tanzio wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:

Kalan wrote:I was a fan of John David Jackson for 30 years.. Not anymore... Now I know he's the biggest piece of skat in the universe.

The first thing that amazed me was hearing that John David Jackson tried to give Kovalev's training secrets away to the Ward camp -- something they said they rejected.. Then they said JDJ tried to leave Kovalev and join the Ward camp -- which was also rejected.. Jackson then called Hunter, Ward, and others in the Ward camp "a pack of liars" and said "My relationship with Kovalev is now stronger than ever because of all the lies they told."

Now it looks like John David Jackson has been the liar -- and is on the outs with Kovalev because Sergei's getting nothing but half assed coaching from him.

Yea Jackson looking like someone you don't want in your corner. Don Turner said some bad stuff too about Kovalev, Sergey fell in with some fair weather friends there man..well hopefully Kovalev will be more astute in picking team mates(coaches), maybe Klimas can help him find some better people (even though Klimas used to work for Don Turner) for the final couple of years of his career, as Able Sanchez says Kovalev has trust issues,I am sure they won't get any better after dealing with Turner and Jackson.

Poor mistreated Krushedner.

It's hilarious!

Enlightened-One wrote:Listen to the entirety of the seventeen-minute John David Jackson radio interview by clicking on one of the hyperlinks below:

• John David Jackson: "Sergey Kovalev is a real A*shole - He quit against Ward"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84lxN-Np47M

For the record, he elaborates on the justification for his criticism of Sergey Kovalev, which I feel addresses some of the complaints targeted against him within multiple threads in this forum.

Whilst I’m still unsure about whether or not he should have delivered his scathing criticism of Krusher in this manner, his thoughts about the Russian are deeply intriguing.

Yea that was a hell of an interview like watching a train wreck, the B.B King song comes to mind "the thrill is gone".

Tanzio wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:

Kalan wrote:I was a fan of John David Jackson for 30 years.. Not anymore... Now I know he's the biggest piece of skat in the universe.

The first thing that amazed me was hearing that John David Jackson tried to give Kovalev's training secrets away to the Ward camp -- something they said they rejected.. Then they said JDJ tried to leave Kovalev and join the Ward camp -- which was also rejected.. Jackson then called Hunter, Ward, and others in the Ward camp "a pack of liars" and said "My relationship with Kovalev is now stronger than ever because of all the lies they told."

Now it looks like John David Jackson has been the liar -- and is on the outs with Kovalev because Sergei's getting nothing but half assed coaching from him.

Yea Jackson looking like someone you don't want in your corner. Don Turner said some bad stuff too about Kovalev, Sergey fell in with some fair weather friends there man..well hopefully Kovalev will be more astute in picking team mates(coaches), maybe Klimas can help him find some better people (even though Klimas used to work for Don Turner) for the final couple of years of his career, as Able Sanchez says Kovalev has trust issues,I am sure they won't get any better after dealing with Turner and Jackson.

Poor mistreated Krushedner.

Proving my earlier point nicely, well done

Blodhemn wrote:Lol@EO's thread backfire.

What are you talking about kid?

I intentionally create threads that have provocative subject matters, because it compels people to read them and contribute to the discussion.

This is probably the most popular non-MayMac thread created within the last ten days! It’s outdone any topics about the GGG-Canelo fight and it's not even 18 hours old! I couldn’t be happier.

If I only wanted people to agree with my opinion, I would have stopped frequenting this place a very long time ago!

Is it really that difficult for you to see that I enjoy the banter? FFS!

Given his actions in and after the Ward fights, this all makes sense to me.

Lol at all the buthurt fanbois, you bet on the wrong horse, move on.

Ossyrules wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: So the first fight never happened where Kovalev clearly could've been the victor? Man, such a dumb comment. Also, those low blows never happened in the second fight?

If both were surely true, Kovalev wouldn't be so mentally destroyed after two fights. So many butthurt Kovalev fans and the guy won't even come back and show the heart of a champion. How many fights Hopkins and Marquez claim to be robbed in? you never seen those two crying about leaving boxing.

I'm not a kovalev fan or ward fan for the record, but respect they are both elite boxers... but

Hopkins cried big when losing the Calzaghe decision

Marquez wasn't jumping for joy losing the Pacquaio decisions that could have gone for him

Kovalev fans have a legit argument thinking their fighter won the first fight. Ultimately it's pointless as ward got the fortuitous decision on the night, but still...

At the same time the Castillo fans may be aggrieved their man didn't get the Mayweather decision, collazo fans aggrieved he didn't get the Hatton decision, and so on... you get my point. This happens in boxing

Difference is those guys moved on successfully and didn't run off to be a monk quitting boxing.

apollo creed wrote:No matter how difficult there is a guy to work, you don't bash him and talk bad about him after you don't do business with him. When JDJ was with Kovalev , all things were cool and good but after Kova lost, he suddenly a 'scumbag'. If a guy is hard to work with, then say it to him from the beginning and not waste your time with him! Biatch move!

Well you can't say those things while you're working with him, and it's easy to say go elsewhere, but he's got to make a living.

victor-romeo wrote:

Kalan wrote:I was a fan of John David Jackson for 30 years.. Not anymore... Now I know he's the biggest piece of skat in the universe.

The first thing that amazed me was hearing that John David Jackson tried to give Kovalev's training secrets away to the Ward camp -- something they said they rejected.. Then they said JDJ tried to leave Kovalev and join the Ward camp -- which was also rejected.. Jackson then called Hunter, Ward, and others in the Ward camp "a pack of liars" and said "My relationship with Kovalev is now stronger than ever because of all the lies they told."

Now it looks like John David Jackson has been the liar -- and is on the outs with Kovalev because Sergei's getting nothing but half assed coaching from him.

Yea Jackson looking like someone you don't want in your corner. Don Turner said some bad stuff too about Kovalev, Sergey fell in with some fair weather friends there man..well hopefully Kovalev will be more astute in picking team mates(coaches), maybe Klimas can help him find some better people (even though Klimas used to work for Don Turner) for the final couple of years of his career, as Able Sanchez says Kovalev has trust issues,I am sure they won't get any better after dealing with Turner and Jackson.

Or maybe, just maybe. What they are saying is true.

And you can hardly make Kovalev out to be some poor innocent victim when he's blaming his trainers, double standard much?

Enlightened-One wrote:Listen to the entirety of the seventeen-minute John David Jackson radio interview by clicking on one of the hyperlinks below:

• John David Jackson: "Sergey Kovalev is a real A*shole - He quit against Ward"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84lxN-Np47M

For the record, he elaborates on the justification for his criticism of Sergey Kovalev, which I feel addresses some of the complaints targeted against him within multiple threads in this forum.

Whilst I’m still unsure about whether or not he should have delivered his scathing criticism of Krusher in this manner, his thoughts about the Russian are deeply intriguing.

I'm freaking blown away right now! At 7:15 into that clip, John David Jackson proves to me that he gave away intel on his own fighter prior to the rematch with Ward! It's disgusting enough that he was negotiating with his boxer's opponent right before training camp. But the pleasure that JDJ got from seeing Kovalev take a beating in camp by a Cruiserweight, makes it even more obvious he betrayed Serge.

At 7:15 in the clip, JDJ was explaining that once he saw how Serge was in camp and how he wasn't planning on changing anything for Ward in the rematch that he knew that if "WARD DOES WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO, HE'S (Serge) IN TROUBLE"

Umm excuse Mr. Jackson but how the HELL did you know what Ward was "SUPPOSED" to do in the fight? That's how crooks talk to each other before a burglary. What a disgusting piece of garbage this guy is.

Look, Serge Kovalev could be the biggest dick in the world. So he puts his name on stuff but who doesn't? All these young fighters building their brand do it. Freaking Amir Khan has his own trademark for godsake. Canelo doesn't wear anything without his name all over it. GGG too. Serge was right up there with all of them so no idea why that bothers JDJ other than he's just jealous.

If Boxing was worth a damn, this clip would be cause for an investigation. I"m not joking or coming up with conspiracy theories. JDJ gave away intel to his boxers opponent's team in an effort to make money AND get back at Kovalev. Disgusted.

Badhusker wrote:Hopefully this finally puts to rest all the Krusher was robbed BS.

he was not robbed, but it was
a weird ending nevertheless.

Face it. Kovalev was just never the monster all his fanboys was making him out to be. Guy was just overrated. Funny people didn't believe GGG beat him up in sparring now it's easy to believe.

IKSRTFO wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:
If both were surely true, Kovalev wouldn't be so mentally destroyed after two fights. So many butthurt Kovalev fans and the guy won't even come back and show the heart of a champion. How many fights Hopkins and Marquez claim to be robbed in? you never seen those two crying about leaving boxing.

I'm not a kovalev fan or ward fan for the record, but respect they are both elite boxers... but

Hopkins cried big when losing the Calzaghe decision

Marquez wasn't jumping for joy losing the Pacquaio decisions that could have gone for him

Kovalev fans have a legit argument thinking their fighter won the first fight. Ultimately it's pointless as ward got the fortuitous decision on the night, but still...

At the same time the Castillo fans may be aggrieved their man didn't get the Mayweather decision, collazo fans aggrieved he didn't get the Hatton decision, and so on... you get my point. This happens in boxing

Difference is those guys moved on successfully and didn't run off to be a monk quitting boxing.

Is kovalev retired