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crusader wrote:Usyk isnt a big puncher who lays people out, but he clearly get his opponents' respect.

He's an excellent fighter.

crusader wrote:Usyk isnt a big puncher who lays people out, but he clearly get his opponents' respect.

What makes usyk outstanding aint his power but text book technique, variation, just boxing Intelligence

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Usyk is really good, but I'm not getting the p4p accolades that many are giving him. We'll see in the next year, Joshua will smoke him.

Why compare a heavyweight with a cruiserweight?

Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Holyfield would....Who else ?

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Why compare a heavyweight with a cruiserweight?

Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Nobody knows if he Moves up. Right now he is cleaning out the division, a division which never looked any better than right now.

Ok, maybe he woin't move up. He hasn't come close to eclipsing Holyfield in any form.

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Why compare a heavyweight with a cruiserweight?

Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Holyfield would....Who else ?

Let's see him win this tourney. I don't know that he would be ok with Qawi over 15 furious rounds. I still have Dorticos winning this thing.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:Question? Is povetkin a powerful puncher?

Did pov tko huck?

Did usyk tko huck?

Who lacks power, or does nobody lack power and huck just has a good chin & stamina?

Huck beat Povetkin as far as I'm concerned. Usyk lacks power, great boxer though. Holyfield would have stopped this version of Huck inside 3 rounds.

Sorry, no, Povetkin is not a big puncher.

Pov is a big puncher. He is no david tua, yet still a very powerful puncher. Usyk lacks a bit of power, he aint no haye on the power departmant, his + points lay elsewhere

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:Question? Is povetkin a powerful puncher?

Did pov tko huck?

Did usyk tko huck?

Who lacks power, or does nobody lack power and huck just has a good chin & stamina?

Huck beat Povetkin as far as I'm concerned. Usyk lacks power, great boxer though. Holyfield would have stopped this version of Huck inside 3 rounds.

Sorry, no, Povetkin is not a big puncher.

Pov is a big puncher. He is no david tua, yet still a very powerful puncher. Usyk lacks a bit of power, he aint no haye on the power departmant, his + points lay elsewhere

Tua has overrated power to begin with, Povetkin isn't in that class no matter how many PED's he takes.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Holyfield would....Who else ?

Let's see him win this tourney. I don't know that he would be ok with Qawi over 15 furious rounds. I still have Dorticos winning this thing.

Honestly, I don't know a lot about Dorticos, and I will have to find his fights on the You Tube.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Nobody knows if he Moves up. Right now he is cleaning out the division, a division which never looked any better than right now.

Ok, maybe he woin't move up. He hasn't come close to eclipsing Holyfield in any form.

His punch variation, footwork and ring iq are already better than holyfields

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

crusader wrote:
I think he's generally rated quite highly here.

If anything, he's overrated here. I don't think he is, clearly a top 15 fighter in the world. But we have our JIP's and Valmar's that have him as a God.

Skillset - 10/10
Stamina - 10/10
Chin - 10/10
Cojones - 10/10
Punch power - 8/10
Am I wrong ?

Yes, but not by much. Usyk has work to do. We will know all we need to know six fights from now.

I like the way he takes getting landed on personal. I also think that he needs to tighten up his defense.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Usyk is really good, but I'm not getting the p4p accolades that many are giving him. We'll see in the next year, Joshua will smoke him.

Why compare a heavyweight with a cruiserweight?

Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Cruiserweight version of Holyfield was probably among 10 best fighters p4p of all time. He was very good/great in absolutely every aspect of the game. Yeah, I'd definitely favour him over Usyk. But I'd favour Usyk to beat any other cruiser in history. Haye would have had a good puncher chance, but who else?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Huck beat Povetkin as far as I'm concerned. Usyk lacks power, great boxer though. Holyfield would have stopped this version of Huck inside 3 rounds.

Sorry, no, Povetkin is not a big puncher.

Pov is a big puncher. He is no david tua, yet still a very powerful puncher. Usyk lacks a bit of power, he aint no haye on the power departmant, his + points lay elsewhere

Tua has overrated power to begin with, Povetkin isn't in that class no matter how many PED's he takes.

Tua overrated power ?

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Nobody knows if he Moves up. Right now he is cleaning out the division, a division which never looked any better than right now.

Ok, maybe he woin't move up. He hasn't come close to eclipsing Holyfield in any form.

His punch variation, footwork and ring iq are already better than holyfields

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Huck beat Povetkin as far as I'm concerned. Usyk lacks power, great boxer though. Holyfield would have stopped this version of Huck inside 3 rounds.

Sorry, no, Povetkin is not a big puncher.

Pov is a big puncher. He is no david tua, yet still a very powerful puncher. Usyk lacks a bit of power, he aint no haye on the power departmant, his + points lay elsewhere

Tua has overrated power to begin with, Povetkin isn't in that class no matter how many PED's he takes.

Tua has overrated power. He nearly killed moorer and ruiz. Please stop the nonsense saad. You know that i like your boxing Knowledge, but tua is one of the hardest punching boxer ever.

Boxing Writer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Why compare a heavyweight with a cruiserweight?

Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Cruiserweight version of Holyfield was probably among 10 best fighters p4p of all time. He was very good/great in absolutely every aspect of the game. Yeah, I'd definitely favour him over Usyk. But I'd favour Usyk to beat any other cruiser in history. Haye would have had a good puncher chance, but who else?

An excellent post !

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Holyfield would....Who else ?

Let's see him win this tourney. I don't know that he would be ok with Qawi over 15 furious rounds. I still have Dorticos winning this thing.

What makes you go with Dort? Good fighter, but he went life and death and needed to come back late to beat his only top 20 opponent.

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Pov is a big puncher. He is no david tua, yet still a very powerful puncher. Usyk lacks a bit of power, he aint no haye on the power departmant, his + points lay elsewhere

Tua has overrated power to begin with, Povetkin isn't in that class no matter how many PED's he takes.

Tua overrated power ?

Tyson too ?
Maybe Foreman ?

Boxing Writer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Why compare a heavyweight with a cruiserweight?

Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Cruiserweight version of Holyfield was probably among 10 best fighters p4p of all time. He was very good/great in absolutely every aspect of the game. Yeah, I'd definitely favour him over Usyk. But I'd favour Usyk to beat any other cruiser in history. Haye would have had a good puncher chance, but who else?

Maybe moorer, who possessed brutal punching power at cw

Or juan carlos gomez, who in his prime was a very athletic elite cruiserweight
If we talk overall skillset usyk the best i ve seen

Jip wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Cruiserweight version of Holyfield was probably among 10 best fighters p4p of all time. He was very good/great in absolutely every aspect of the game. Yeah, I'd definitely favour him over Usyk. But I'd favour Usyk to beat any other cruiser in history. Haye would have had a good puncher chance, but who else?

Maybe moorer, who possessed brutal punching power at cw

Or juan carlos gomez, who in his prime was a very athletic elite cruiserweight
If we talk overall skillset usyk the best i ve seen

Fair enough, Jip. He certainly is an excellent talent. I have Briedis winning the tournament.

Tanzio wrote:

Jip wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote: Cruiserweight version of Holyfield was probably among 10 best fighters p4p of all time. He was very good/great in absolutely every aspect of the game. Yeah, I'd definitely favour him over Usyk. But I'd favour Usyk to beat any other cruiser in history. Haye would have had a good puncher chance, but who else?

Maybe moorer, who possessed brutal punching power at cw

Or juan carlos gomez, who in his prime was a very athletic elite cruiserweight
If we talk overall skillset usyk the best i ve seen

Fair enough, Jip. He certainly is an excellent talent. I have Briedis winning the tournament.

Breidis is good. Got pop in his punches. Ko d a heavyweight. #2 for me.

Jip wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.

Cruiserweight version of Holyfield was probably among 10 best fighters p4p of all time. He was very good/great in absolutely every aspect of the game. Yeah, I'd definitely favour him over Usyk. But I'd favour Usyk to beat any other cruiser in history. Haye would have had a good puncher chance, but who else?

Maybe moorer, who possessed brutal punching power at cw

Or juan carlos gomez, who in his prime was a very athletic elite cruiserweight
If we talk overall skillset usyk the best i ve seen

Moorer never had a fight at Cruiser.

ValMar wrote:

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Tua has overrated power to begin with, Povetkin isn't in that class no matter how many PED's he takes.

Tua overrated power ?

Tyson too ?
Maybe Foreman ?

Yes, Tua.
No, Foreman

crusader wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Holyfield would....Who else ?

Let's see him win this tourney. I don't know that he would be ok with Qawi over 15 furious rounds. I still have Dorticos winning this thing.

What makes you go with Dort? Good fighter, but he went life and death and needed to come back late to beat his only top 20 opponent.

Gut feeling.

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Pov is a big puncher. He is no david tua, yet still a very powerful puncher. Usyk lacks a bit of power, he aint no haye on the power departmant, his + points lay elsewhere

Tua has overrated power to begin with, Povetkin isn't in that class no matter how many PED's he takes.

Tua has overrated power. He nearly killed moorer and ruiz. Please stop the nonsense saad. You know that i like your boxing Knowledge, but tua is one of the hardest punching boxer ever.

Moorer was past his prime and Ruiz was pre-prime. Overrated doesn't mean he couldn't crack, but 'chinny' guys like Rahman and Maskaev ate his power like doughnuts. The best thing about David's punch was that it didn't diminish as the fight transpired. Though I must say he was very incompetent as a boxer at the top level so perhaps I don't give his power enough respect.

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Nobody knows if he Moves up. Right now he is cleaning out the division, a division which never looked any better than right now.

Ok, maybe he woin't move up. He hasn't come close to eclipsing Holyfield in any form.

His punch variation, footwork and ring iq are already better than holyfields

He could only dream of having footwork and punch variation like Holyfield's. Man you're dumb.