Andre Ward's Resume

[Kalan]

Here is their boxrec all-time ratings and records:
Floyd Mayweather No. 1 (50-0)
Ricardo Lopez No. 39 (51-0-1)
Joe Calzaghe No. 43 (46-0)
Andre Ward No. 150 (32-0)
The computer rates them based on the quality of their opposition and the results against them. Ward will be in the hall of fame, but he's not an all-time great. There are boxers with losses that had better careers than Ward. Most of the all-time greats have losses on their record.

Boxrec has the worst all time rankings I've ever seen. I never said anything about losses, you brought up the guys without any and your rating of them is terrible. Obviously you hate ward too much to discuss him rationally.

I don't follow boxing in the lower divisions closely enough to comment on Lopez, but I definitely disagree that Calzaghe had a much better career than Ward. The only way Calzaghe's career was better is that it lasted longer and he fought more regularly - which are both important and possibly give Joe the edge, but there's nothing clear about it. Their top five opponents in terms of BoxRec ratings are:

CALZAGHE:
Bernard Hopkins - 1422 (split decision over a post prime, but still Top 5 p4p opponent)
Mikkel Kessler - 532 (prime opponent, this decided who was the best at 168lb)
Roy Jones Jr - 432 (pretty much a shot fighter)
Jeff Lacy - 356 (overrated titlist, but Joe destroyed him impressively)
Robin Reid - 278 (controversial decision, Joe was pre-prime)

WARD:
Chad Dawson - 872 (destroyed a p4p Top 10 opponent who was drained)
Sergey Kovalev - 850 (close and controversial decision)
Sergey Kovalev - 612 (controversial stoppage win)
Carl Froch - 529 (impressive win to take out the Super 6)
Mikkel Kessler - 361 (dominant victory over favoured opponent)

I don't like Ward, but by watching their fights I would pick him to beat Calzaghe. He's a much better boxer... Neither is a good puncher but before his hands got all messed up Calzaghe was a better banger with a stronger chin for sure.. He got hit a lot harder because Calz led with hid head..

Ward would get him with quick jabs, hooks, and quick right counters. So would Kovalev. Calzaghe had more raw talent I'd say. He had very poor coaching, and his hands were wrapped like an abomination -- but he made up for it with speed, toughness, and conditioning.. He absorbed hard punches very well and put you on the defensive with flurries that went non-stop. But he was also selective with opponents and wanted to keep his O.. He didn't fight Froch, Tarver, or an undefeated Dawson. Those were potentially big money fights. I never thought Kessler was very good. Too wide open and easily tagged up.

[jamamb]

wards resume clowns calzaghes. in the ring, hard to pick a winner if they fought. maybe lean toward ward.