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lefty wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

lefty wrote: Id like that. I like Mansours story. He seems like a genuinely good guy that has tried very hard to turn his life around since coming out of prison.

Mansour is not going to fight Wilder. Don't be silly gentlemen.

Why couldnt it happen though? The WBC pretty much makes the rankings up as they go along, and aside from that- Wilder has fought worse opponents in voluntary defences in the past.

Because wilder would have to pay stiverne, again, to step aside.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Mansour is not going to fight Wilder. Don't be silly gentlemen.

Why couldnt it happen though? The WBC pretty much makes the rankings up as they go along, and aside from that- Wilder has fought worse opponents in voluntary defences in the past.

Because wilder would have to pay stiverne, again, to step aside.

Hasnt Stiverne already been paid step aside money for the date Wilder was gonna be fighting Ortiz on? Stiverne wasnt going to be fighting Wilder then anyway due to the step aside fee. Why would he need to pay it twice? Not saying you're wrong by the way, it just doesnt make a ton of sense thats all.

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote: Why couldnt it happen though? The WBC pretty much makes the rankings up as they go along, and aside from that- Wilder has fought worse opponents in voluntary defences in the past.

Because wilder would have to pay stiverne, again, to step aside.

Hasnt Stiverne already been paid step aside money for the date Wilder was gonna be fighting Ortiz on? Stiverne wasnt going to be fighting Wilder then anyway due to the step aside fee. Why would he need to pay it twice? Not saying you're wrong by the way, it just doesnt make a ton of sense thats all.

You wouldn't pay a guy twice because you don't want to fight him -- and not because you can't easily beat him, but because he's undeserving, it would be a lousy fight, and because nobody wants to see it.. How the Hell do you get ranked the top contender off what Stiverne has done lately??? I suspect corruption is involved because that ranking is NUTS!!! The WBC also let Stiverne slide for PED use -- not enforcing their own guidelines.

Enlightened-One wrote:

lefty wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:
I read that Mansour is a possibility. Mansour has been interviewed a few times about his desire to fight for a world title. I hope they just let it happen so that there are no excuses and I don't have to see articles about this anymore.

Id like that. I like Mansours story. He seems like a genuinely good guy that has tried very hard to turn his life around since coming out of prison.

Mansour is not going to fight Wilder. Don't be silly gentlemen.

Wilder would never dare to fight Mansour lol, he's way too good as an opponent for Wilder, Mansour would destroy Wilder completely.

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

lefty wrote: Id like that. I like Mansours story. He seems like a genuinely good guy that has tried very hard to turn his life around since coming out of prison.

Mansour is not going to fight Wilder. Don't be silly gentlemen.

Wilder would never dare to fight Mansour lol, he's way too good as an opponent for Wilder, Mansour would destroy Wilder completely.

I highly doubt that. Mansour can crack, but he can be a little sloppy, and being in his mid 40's...I have a hard time believing he'd be able to get to Wilder before Wilder would get to him.

I'd confident pick Wilder to knock out Mansour.

I do like Amir though. He's fun to watch.

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote: Why couldnt it happen though? The WBC pretty much makes the rankings up as they go along, and aside from that- Wilder has fought worse opponents in voluntary defences in the past.

Because wilder would have to pay stiverne, again, to step aside.

Hasnt Stiverne already been paid step aside money for the date Wilder was gonna be fighting Ortiz on? Stiverne wasnt going to be fighting Wilder then anyway due to the step aside fee. Why would he need to pay it twice? Not saying you're wrong by the way, it just doesnt make a ton of sense thats all.

In those situations it will be part of the contract, he paid stiverne to fight Ortiz. Somebody else is a new deal.

boxing_rocks wrote:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Montoya/sta ... 8028430336

It seems legit then. The thing that doesn't make sense though is why Ortiz or his team didn't declare these prescription medications to VADA. It seems like pure incompetence or stupidity.

No he tested positive for chlorothaizide, and hydrochlorothaizide, which are diuretics.

BitPlayer wrote:No he tested positive for chlorothaizide, and hydrochlorothaizide, which are diuretics.

They're used to treat high blood pressure and water retention though.

lefty wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:No he tested positive for chlorothaizide, and hydrochlorothaizide, which are diuretics.

They're used to treat high blood pressure and water retention though.

They're also used as masking agents.

If he had high blood pressure he shouldn't be boxing.
http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/BloodPre ... yandsports

BitPlayer wrote:

lefty wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:No he tested positive for chlorothaizide, and hydrochlorothaizide, which are diuretics.

They're used to treat high blood pressure and water retention though.

They're also used as masking agents.

If he had high blood pressure he shouldn't be boxing.
http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/BloodPre ... yandsports

I agree on your second statement. Regarding the drugs themselves. When I Googled them; the first thing that came up was regarding high blood pressure.

If he was taking them for high blood pressure he would have listed them for vada. He had zero medicine listed. It's the typical get busted excuse. He was coming into the biggest fight of his life and his recent form was dogshit. so he went back on the juice. Not complicated.

lefty wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

lefty wrote: They're used to treat high blood pressure and water retention though.

They're also used as masking agents.

If he had high blood pressure he shouldn't be boxing.
http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/BloodPre ... yandsports

I agree on your second statement. Regarding the drugs themselves. When I Googled them; the first thing that came up was regarding high blood pressure.

Why would blood pressure medications niche use as masking agent be a top result?

That's true for tons of doping agents.