wilder is almost 32. this ain't getting better.

[asdfjkl]

Candyslim: It would be a massive step up compared to all the featherfists he's usually fighting.

[asdfjkl]

Next up was going to be Luis Ortiz but Wilder's team have put the kybosh on that.

Would hearn stop Wilder from rigging drug tests?

Seriously? You guys genuinely believe that Team Wilder rigged Luis Ortiz’s VADA drug test results? FFS!

Everybody knew beforehand Ortiz took those medicins, it's not like I predicted everything months beforehand perfect with just random luck.

[Enlightened-One]

Everybody knew beforehand Ortiz took those medicins, it's not like I predicted everything months beforehand perfect with just random luck.

At the second time of asking… please prove your prediction.

This isn’t the first time you’ve boldly professed your wisdom and celebrated your own success about predicting events, whilst flatly-refusing to provide any evidence that proves your prophecy.

[candyslim]

I thought you were supposed to be ignoring me Saad? It sure doesn't seem like it.

I'm not going to attempt to answer that lot point by point. All I'll say is it seems self evident to me that Joshua as been matched far more aggressively and ambitiously than Wilder ever was. Maybe not all of Hearn's fighters have been to the same extent I'll concede that point but he's probably tougher on his fighters than most.

Maybe I am a bit biased, I like the guy so shoot me.

[Ossyrules]

Hearn's exacting matchmaking might not be quite to Deontay's taste. Hearn expects his fighters to take part in fights that pull in the punters. Basically step up or step off.

There again, who knows - he might find being regularly tested agrees with him and improves him.

remove the man's testicals from your mouth and have a think about the career of, say, Kell Brook, and you'll find there were as many Frankie Gavins and Jo Jo Dans as there were Porters and Golovkins

Dan was a mandatory and Gavin a fight quite quickly after. Gavin definitely didn’t deserve the shot but I can’t remember why they turned brook out so quickly after dan but I think there was some forward planning that didn’t come off.

Hearns a businessmen so he’s not chucking his fighters into anything too unrealistic, but from a British point of view it’s pretty clear he’s more aggressive matching than warren. Davies vs Taylor recently for example. That definitely could have been avoided.

[Ossyrules]

I thought you were supposed to be ignoring me Saad? It sure doesn't seem like it.

I'm not going to attempt to answer that lot point by point. All I'll say is it seems self evident to me that Joshua as been matched far more aggressively and ambitiously than Wilder ever was. Maybe not all of Hearn's fighters have been to the same extent I'll concede that point but he's probably tougher on his fighters than most.

Maybe I am a bit biased, I like the guy so shoot me.

Joshua has been moved along quicker I don’t see how that can be argued against

[Badhusker]

Out of Candyslim, Enlightened One, Montreal Super and ASDFjkl...........who is the dumbest? Too close to call for me.

[boxing_rocks]

Out of Candyslim, Enlightened One, Montreal Super and ASDFjkl...........who is the dumbest? Too close to call for me.

EO wins easy.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Out of Candyslim, Enlightened One, Montreal Super and ASDFjkl...........who is the dumbest? Too close to call for me.

Scoop by a mile.

[Tanzio]

He has faced some serious competition but Montreal Super is still the Moron Laureate around here.

[candyslim]

Out of Candyslim, Enlightened One, Montreal Super and ASDFjkl...........who is the dumbest? Too close to call for me.

That's like Justin Bieber wondering who's the crappiest Beatle.

Candyslim: It would be a massive step up compared to all the featherfists he's usually fighting.

That's not really the point I was making now is it?

[Enlightened-One]

Everybody knew beforehand Ortiz took those medicins, it's not like I predicted everything months beforehand perfect with just random luck.

At the second time of asking… please prove your prediction.

This isn’t the first time you’ve boldly professed your wisdom and celebrated your own success about predicting events, whilst flatly-refusing to provide any evidence that proves your prophecy.

[Counter-puncher]

the sad fate of all true Prophets is to be unrecognised and despised in their own time.

[man]

the sad fate of all true Prophets is to be unrecognised and despised in their own time.

yes! here! it's me!

[Tony1244]

the sad fate of all true Prophets is to be unrecognised and despised in their own time.

That may be true, but most people who are unrecognized and despised are simply unrecognized and despised.

[man]

the sad fate of all true Prophets is to be unrecognised and despised in their own time.

That may be true, but most people who are unrecognized and despised are simply unrecognized and despised.

[asdfjkl]

Everybody knew beforehand Ortiz took those medicins, it's not like I predicted everything months beforehand perfect with just random luck.

At the second time of asking… please prove your prediction.

This isn’t the first time you’ve boldly professed your wisdom and celebrated your own success about predicting events, whilst flatly-refusing to provide any evidence that proves your prophecy.

Wow really? Even you and me had a conversation about this subject months ago, but you appearantly forgot.
You can also easely look back in my posts, but no, if I say something, I need to proof it, when others say something, we just assume it to be the truth :S...




http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4725871
12 august:

It's at least remarkeble that they have a date scheduled and everything...

After 15 september Wilder his lab isn't suspended any more, so then Wilder can use all the doping he likes again, or fake dopingtests for whoever he's planning to fight but can't handle.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 7#p4724457
9 august:

Someone said AJ is ducking Wilder, and acts like Pulev is just a weak excuse for doing so, while in reality Pulev simply proved, well at least equal to what Wilder has done, if not more.

Exactly, Joshua is not ducking anybody.
He either fights his IBF mandatory (Pulev) and WBA mandatory (Ortiz) or loses the belts - quite simple to understand really.
Wilder will have to wait unless AJ decides to ditch the IBF and WBA titles and go for the WBC belt.

Well, AJ is simply waiting till Wilder stands up and fight someone, so the fight between himself and Wilder will be much bigger as it would be when they fought each other right now.
Somehow Wilder is just wasting time as long as his personal lab is suspended and after that he will fight a bum, most likely Stiverne.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 1#p4720231
3 august:

Povetkin doesn't have a drugs ban lol, but he does usually only fight once every 6 months ish, untill Wilder his lab wasted piles of time. Luckely that lab is currently suspended. This is also why Wilder probably doesn't fight at this moment, he needs that lab to keep him look like innocent.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 3#p4720823
4 august:

I think it's possible, they just should fight more often and always fight the biggest risk instead of just another bum. Wilder hasn't fought since his lab was suspended, AJ said he only wants to fight once every 6 months at max, Stiverne, Fury, what are they doing? Malik Scott really only fights just enough to stay in the boxrec rankings, Povetkin, max once every 6 months, and even then only if Wilder his lab doesn't make another "mistake".
Wilder could have fought Stiverne ages ago, but just sat down waiting. Then suddenly he acts like he wants to fight someone like he always does when he knows the fight won't happen and in the end he fights a bum anyway while wasting time on purpose.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4712414
20 july:

I'd have to be honest, if Wilder goes into the ring with Ortiz this year, I'd have to give Wilder credits for not beïng a pussy any more. I would be happely proven wrong, especially if he does it while his lab is suspended.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4712549
21 july:

I have similar things with Wilder, he always took the easy route and now he ducks 4,5 mil + against a reasonable opponent, asking for 7m+ and no time later he's planning to fight a much better opponent for much less money and a belt?
If the fight was in Europe with European referees, I think Ortiz actually got the odds.
Also, I'm used to the fact that Wilder only accepts good opposition if he knows he can duck, steal, or ask for unfair advantages. I just can't forget about all the things Wilder has done in the past, what does he know about Ortiz which can help him avoid the fight this time?

Please Wilder, proof me wrong, box him and do it in a fair way!

A chat with you even:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 6#p4709783
16 july:

You mean... He's not active, he's not in shape, doesn't want to unify the division but will be active while this lab is still suspended for all their "mistakes"?
Or? What do you mean?

Facts: Povetkin is active. He looks in decent shape. He may well want to unify the decision - but then so does every heavyweight.

Fables: Wilder remains inactive until the lab is re-opened again (I'm assuming that's is what you're referring to - it's not clear).

I know that about Povetkin, that's why he fought the highest ranked guy he could get?

That's not a fable lol, I would be highly surprised if Wilder would fight anyone before the lab isn't suspended any more, despite he could easely proof me wrong ofcourse.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 2#p4707882
17 july:

Similar things happened with Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Moises Flores , Guillermo won, by a first round KO (ofcourse he won lol, he's in the same education Tyrone Spong has had, they are the best of the world).

But then in Nevada they decided it to be a no contest.

That same Nevada who also said Povetkin used doping, twice, and were proven wrong. Twice! Now their lab is suspended and suddenly Wilder doesn't fight any more.

Cheating Ward, corrupt refs, it's all one massive sad show.

The only way McGegor or whatever his name is can win is if the Americans decide their scams are too obvious nowadays and simply let junior lose and move over to MMA.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 3#p4702033
4 july:

But if you just follow the wada rules and realise that exactly the lab who tested Povetkin got suspended abd a different lab says Povetkin is innocent, there should at least flash a light that says hmmm that's a kind of very remarkeble. And we ain't even talking about Wilder and Stiverne both spotted having drugs around them, but never tested positive for anything? And also tested by that same lab? And right now, both Wilder and Stiverne are free, but both don't schedule any fight now their lab is closed? And everything I predicted months and months before the evidence was there, eventually turned out to be true? Now ofcourse you can call me uncredebly lucky with that, or simply open your eyes and try to understand what you see.

I'd bet if you were on the Wilder vs. Povetkin civil trial jury it would be 11-1 instead of 12-0. You would be the 1 vote for Povetkin.

You expect everyone in the jury to ignore facts and expect them to be racists? You could very well be right actually.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 8#p4701988
4 july:

He doesn't need to drop his title, but as long as the Nevada lab is suspended, he probably doesn't schedule any fight.

Did the WBC remove Stiverne as mandatory?

No ofcourse not, he would probably lose against anyone in the current top 25 from the WBC, but he's the mandatory without any fight against anyone in the WBC list since his loss against Wilder.

[Enlightened-One]

Everybody knew beforehand Ortiz took those medicins, it's not like I predicted everything months beforehand perfect with just random luck.

At the second time of asking… please prove your prediction.

This isn’t the first time you’ve boldly professed your wisdom and celebrated your own success about predicting events, whilst flatly-refusing to provide any evidence that proves your prophecy.

Wow really? Even you and me had a conversation about this subject months ago, but you appearantly forgot.
You can also easely look back in my posts, but no, if I say something, I need to proof it, when others say something, we just assume it to be the truth :S...




http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4725871
12 august:

It's at least remarkeble that they have a date scheduled and everything...

After 15 september Wilder his lab isn't suspended any more, so then Wilder can use all the doping he likes again, or fake dopingtests for whoever he's planning to fight but can't handle.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 7#p4724457
9 august:

Exactly, Joshua is not ducking anybody.
He either fights his IBF mandatory (Pulev) and WBA mandatory (Ortiz) or loses the belts - quite simple to understand really.
Wilder will have to wait unless AJ decides to ditch the IBF and WBA titles and go for the WBC belt.

Well, AJ is simply waiting till Wilder stands up and fight someone, so the fight between himself and Wilder will be much bigger as it would be when they fought each other right now.
Somehow Wilder is just wasting time as long as his personal lab is suspended and after that he will fight a bum, most likely Stiverne.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 1#p4720231
3 august:

Povetkin doesn't have a drugs ban lol, but he does usually only fight once every 6 months ish, untill Wilder his lab wasted piles of time. Luckely that lab is currently suspended. This is also why Wilder probably doesn't fight at this moment, he needs that lab to keep him look like innocent.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 3#p4720823
4 august:

I think it's possible, they just should fight more often and always fight the biggest risk instead of just another bum. Wilder hasn't fought since his lab was suspended, AJ said he only wants to fight once every 6 months at max, Stiverne, Fury, what are they doing? Malik Scott really only fights just enough to stay in the boxrec rankings, Povetkin, max once every 6 months, and even then only if Wilder his lab doesn't make another "mistake".
Wilder could have fought Stiverne ages ago, but just sat down waiting. Then suddenly he acts like he wants to fight someone like he always does when he knows the fight won't happen and in the end he fights a bum anyway while wasting time on purpose.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4712414
20 july:

I'd have to be honest, if Wilder goes into the ring with Ortiz this year, I'd have to give Wilder credits for not beïng a pussy any more. I would be happely proven wrong, especially if he does it while his lab is suspended.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4712549
21 july:

I have similar things with Wilder, he always took the easy route and now he ducks 4,5 mil + against a reasonable opponent, asking for 7m+ and no time later he's planning to fight a much better opponent for much less money and a belt?
If the fight was in Europe with European referees, I think Ortiz actually got the odds.
Also, I'm used to the fact that Wilder only accepts good opposition if he knows he can duck, steal, or ask for unfair advantages. I just can't forget about all the things Wilder has done in the past, what does he know about Ortiz which can help him avoid the fight this time?

Please Wilder, proof me wrong, box him and do it in a fair way!

A chat with you even:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 6#p4709783
16 july:

Facts: Povetkin is active. He looks in decent shape. He may well want to unify the decision - but then so does every heavyweight.

Fables: Wilder remains inactive until the lab is re-opened again (I'm assuming that's is what you're referring to - it's not clear).

I know that about Povetkin, that's why he fought the highest ranked guy he could get?

That's not a fable lol, I would be highly surprised if Wilder would fight anyone before the lab isn't suspended any more, despite he could easely proof me wrong ofcourse.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 2#p4707882
17 july:

Similar things happened with Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Moises Flores , Guillermo won, by a first round KO (ofcourse he won lol, he's in the same education Tyrone Spong has had, they are the best of the world).

But then in Nevada they decided it to be a no contest.

That same Nevada who also said Povetkin used doping, twice, and were proven wrong. Twice! Now their lab is suspended and suddenly Wilder doesn't fight any more.

Cheating Ward, corrupt refs, it's all one massive sad show.

The only way McGegor or whatever his name is can win is if the Americans decide their scams are too obvious nowadays and simply let junior lose and move over to MMA.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 3#p4702033
4 july:

I'd bet if you were on the Wilder vs. Povetkin civil trial jury it would be 11-1 instead of 12-0. You would be the 1 vote for Povetkin.

You expect everyone in the jury to ignore facts and expect them to be racists? You could very well be right actually.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 8#p4701988
4 july:

Did the WBC remove Stiverne as mandatory?

No ofcourse not, he would probably lose against anyone in the current top 25 from the WBC, but he's the mandatory without any fight against anyone in the WBC list since his loss against Wilder.

Are you trying to employ diversionary tactics, whereby you post a tonne of quotes and links that bear no relation to the following claim you made?

Everybody knew beforehand Ortiz took those medicins, it's not like I predicted everything months beforehand perfect with just random luck.

[asdfjkl]

At the second time of asking… please prove your prediction.

This isn’t the first time you’ve boldly professed your wisdom and celebrated your own success about predicting events, whilst flatly-refusing to provide any evidence that proves your prophecy.

Wow really? Even you and me had a conversation about this subject months ago, but you appearantly forgot.
You can also easely look back in my posts, but no, if I say something, I need to proof it, when others say something, we just assume it to be the truth :S...




http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4725871
12 august:

It's at least remarkeble that they have a date scheduled and everything...

After 15 september Wilder his lab isn't suspended any more, so then Wilder can use all the doping he likes again, or fake dopingtests for whoever he's planning to fight but can't handle.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 7#p4724457
9 august:

Well, AJ is simply waiting till Wilder stands up and fight someone, so the fight between himself and Wilder will be much bigger as it would be when they fought each other right now.
Somehow Wilder is just wasting time as long as his personal lab is suspended and after that he will fight a bum, most likely Stiverne.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 1#p4720231
3 august:

Povetkin doesn't have a drugs ban lol, but he does usually only fight once every 6 months ish, untill Wilder his lab wasted piles of time. Luckely that lab is currently suspended. This is also why Wilder probably doesn't fight at this moment, he needs that lab to keep him look like innocent.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 3#p4720823
4 august:

I think it's possible, they just should fight more often and always fight the biggest risk instead of just another bum. Wilder hasn't fought since his lab was suspended, AJ said he only wants to fight once every 6 months at max, Stiverne, Fury, what are they doing? Malik Scott really only fights just enough to stay in the boxrec rankings, Povetkin, max once every 6 months, and even then only if Wilder his lab doesn't make another "mistake".
Wilder could have fought Stiverne ages ago, but just sat down waiting. Then suddenly he acts like he wants to fight someone like he always does when he knows the fight won't happen and in the end he fights a bum anyway while wasting time on purpose.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4712414
20 july:

I'd have to be honest, if Wilder goes into the ring with Ortiz this year, I'd have to give Wilder credits for not beïng a pussy any more. I would be happely proven wrong, especially if he does it while his lab is suspended.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4712549
21 july:

I have similar things with Wilder, he always took the easy route and now he ducks 4,5 mil + against a reasonable opponent, asking for 7m+ and no time later he's planning to fight a much better opponent for much less money and a belt?
If the fight was in Europe with European referees, I think Ortiz actually got the odds.
Also, I'm used to the fact that Wilder only accepts good opposition if he knows he can duck, steal, or ask for unfair advantages. I just can't forget about all the things Wilder has done in the past, what does he know about Ortiz which can help him avoid the fight this time?

Please Wilder, proof me wrong, box him and do it in a fair way!

A chat with you even:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 6#p4709783
16 july:

I know that about Povetkin, that's why he fought the highest ranked guy he could get?

That's not a fable lol, I would be highly surprised if Wilder would fight anyone before the lab isn't suspended any more, despite he could easely proof me wrong ofcourse.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 2#p4707882
17 july:

Similar things happened with Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Moises Flores , Guillermo won, by a first round KO (ofcourse he won lol, he's in the same education Tyrone Spong has had, they are the best of the world).

But then in Nevada they decided it to be a no contest.

That same Nevada who also said Povetkin used doping, twice, and were proven wrong. Twice! Now their lab is suspended and suddenly Wilder doesn't fight any more.

Cheating Ward, corrupt refs, it's all one massive sad show.

The only way McGegor or whatever his name is can win is if the Americans decide their scams are too obvious nowadays and simply let junior lose and move over to MMA.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 3#p4702033
4 july:

You expect everyone in the jury to ignore facts and expect them to be racists? You could very well be right actually.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 8#p4701988
4 july:

No ofcourse not, he would probably lose against anyone in the current top 25 from the WBC, but he's the mandatory without any fight against anyone in the WBC list since his loss against Wilder.

Are you trying to employ diversionary tactics, whereby you post a tonne of quotes and links that bear no relation to the following claim you made?

Everybody knew beforehand Ortiz took those medicins, it's not like I predicted everything months beforehand perfect with just random luck.

All the predictions are correct and all of them are in relation to the claim I made...

[Tony1244]

32 doesn't mean anything anymore. Fighters fight so little now.

Wilder just fights the Bum of the Year and then gets a Big Payday at 34 or 35 and he's done.

[gilgamesh]

32 doesn't mean anything anymore. Fighters fight so little now.

Wilder just fights the Bum of the Year and then gets a Big Payday at 34 or 35 and he's done.

This absolutely killed me. So much so that I went on Twitter and called Wilder on this

WBC Heavyweight World Champion Deontay Wilder met with the media on Saturday at Barclays Center to discuss his November 4 bout against mandatory challenger Bermane Stiverne live on SHOWTIME. “I’m the most frustrated guy around,” said Wilder. “I don’t understand. The best are supposed to fight the best, right? I’ve always done that. I called (Wladimir) Klitschko out years ago.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's tough not to feel sorry for Wilder. I've never seen this happen to anyone in 40 years of watching.

[gilgamesh]

It's tough not to feel sorry for Wilder. I've never seen this happen to anyone in 40 years of watching.

You've never seen a Protected fighter? I've seen dozens.

I'll give it to ya that I've never seen a guy get f*cked out of his 2 biggest fights due to guys popping hot though. That's definitely sh*t luck.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's tough not to feel sorry for Wilder. I've never seen this happen to anyone in 40 years of watching.

You've never seen a Protected fighter? I've seen dozens.

[man]

“I’m the most frustrated guy around,” said Wilder. “I don’t understand. The best are supposed to fight the best, right? I’ve always done that. I called (Wladimir) Klitschko out years ago.

i find this very, very hard to believe.