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Dave Barry helping Tunney against Dempsey.

squiggy wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 21:32 Salido basically built his entire offensive attack around low blows in that fight.

https://www.ringtv.com/323283-laurence-cole/

By Thursday, referee Laurence Cole still had not watched his performance in last Saturday's featherweight bout between Orlando Salido and Vasyl Lomachenko, which Salido won by split decision.

Cole said that he was advised against it.

"I was going to watch it, and I was told by a friend of mine, not to," said Cole, admitting to RingTV.com that his effort, "might not have been my 'A-game.'"

"My friend said, 'You don't need to watch it now, you need to watch it later, so that you can learn from it. But if you watch it now, you're going to be in a very defensive position.' The reason being is that it appears that it was a broadcast that was pro-Lomachenko." The fight was shown on HBO, on the undercard of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.'s rematch with Bryan Vera.

Cole came under fire for appearing to allow Salido to land an inordinate amount of low blows. The final scores were 116-112 and 115-113 on the cards of Jack Reiss and Oren Shellenberger, with Levi Martinez scoring it for Lomachenko, 115-113.

Among Cole's chief critics was Top Rank CEO Bob Arum, who handles Lomachenko and promoted the event at The Alamodome in San Antonio.

"He allowed Salido to throw so many low blows like I've never seen before, and he didn't warn him at all. I think that he should have warned Salido," said Arum.

"Then, if Salido persisted, then he should have taken points away. But obviously. I think that Salido is a pro, and, that if he had been warned a couple of times with the threat of taking points away, then I believe that he would have stopped throwing low blows."

Some other Lawrence Cole highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZLNFBFu57w

They missed Pacquiao Barrera 1st fight.

TBF, the last video, Chavez Jr. did land some clean shots.

Cortez and Cole are both great loyal servants of the sport and I'm sure both were rewarded appropriately for their great service. These are the kind of crooks, I mean referees, we would all want on our side.

Cole in particular has a knack for operating in that unclear zone you sometimes find between corruption and sheer incompetence.

Cortez was the more subtle and skilled of the two. His work on the Hatton - Mayweather fight was more masterful than crude.

kojebee wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 21:58 Dave Barry helping Tunney against Dempsey.

That long count case? Dempsey stood for 3/4 seconds right after the ref while Tunney was down, whom used all the legal count to get up and collect himself. Later in that fight, Dempsey also got down due to a straight jab, so it didn't changed his situation much

what a referee does after a knockdown is allways interesting some just whipes the gloves and restarts, some asks the fighter first, some asks for a few steps forward but one thing that feels a bit wierd to me is, we have a mandatory 8 count to make sure you can continue, if your up at 9 shouldnt the fight be on right away, i know its brutal but if he cant fight at 9 he has to be stopped right?

Its like the Fury-Wilder fight, Fury was up at 9 doesnt matter if it was 10 seconds or not the ref said 9 and he got up but after that he gets another 10 seconds while the ref checks on him, im NOT saying it would have changed the fight in this case but as a general rule why give more time then the 10 count?

Thunder and Lightning wrote: ↑28 May 2019, 04:59 what a referee does after a knockdown is allways interesting some just whipes the gloves and restarts, some asks the fighter first, some asks for a few steps forward but one thing that feels a bit wierd to me is, we have a mandatory 8 count to make sure you can continue, if your up at 9 shouldnt the fight be on right away, i know its brutal but if he cant fight at 9 he has to be stopped right?

Its like the Fury-Wilder fight, Fury was up at 9 doesnt matter if it was 10 seconds or not the ref said 9 and he got up but after that he gets another 10 seconds while the ref checks on him, im NOT saying it would have changed the fight in this case but as a general rule why give more time then the 10 count?

A ten count does not mean ten seconds. It seems that Deontay Wilder fails to understand this rather simple concept, hence his post-fight complaints.

The referee must take the opportunity, after the fighter has risen to their feet, to make sure they’re able to competently defend themselves. There are a variety of ways this can be done... and you've described a few of them.

The ref barked commands, which Tyson Fury followed, proving that he was mentally competent, capable of comprehending and following instructions.

I’m pretty sure Jack Reiss explained to both fighters (Wilder & Fury) how he would handle knockdowns prior to the bout itself. I believe that BT Sport even televised this.

Jack Reiss’ actions for managing the 12th round knockdown situation may have been a tad unorthodox, but he still performed his duties adequately and fairly, whilst adhering to the rules.

In my opinion, fights often get stopped too early or too late, which always results in refs being harshly criticised. So I didn’t mind Jack Reiss taking a few extra seconds to determine Tyson Fury’s ability to continue.

Thunder and Lightning wrote: ↑28 May 2019, 04:59 what a referee does after a knockdown is allways interesting some just whipes the gloves and restarts, some asks the fighter first, some asks for a few steps forward but one thing that feels a bit wierd to me is, we have a mandatory 8 count to make sure you can continue, if your up at 9 shouldnt the fight be on right away, i know its brutal but if he cant fight at 9 he has to be stopped right?

Its like the Fury-Wilder fight, Fury was up at 9 doesnt matter if it was 10 seconds or not the ref said 9 and he got up but after that he gets another 10 seconds while the ref checks on him, im NOT saying it would have changed the fight in this case but as a general rule why give more time then the 10 count?

We’d have a lot more stoppages and more complaints.

Well, having recently watched the Klit vs Fury bout the referee (Weeks) was horrendous - clearly had an agenda against Fury with the point being taken for standard rough house tactics !

The correct answer is absolutely the magoo that reffed the first Bute/Andrade fight. Not only did Bute get 20+ seconds to recover while the ref unnecessarily concerned himself with Andrade returning to a neutral corner, but Bute was so obviously, badly concussed that the fight should have been stopped anyway. It was absurdly blatant home cooking.

jujigatame wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 15:57 The correct answer is absolutely the magoo that reffed the first Bute/Andrade fight. Not only did Bute get 20+ seconds to recover while the ref unnecessarily concerned himself with Andrade returning to a neutral corner, but Bute was so obviously, badly concussed that the fight should have been stopped anyway. It was absurdly blatant home cooking.

the ref in that argentian fight was even worse, he literally jumped in the middle of the boxers and grabbed and shieled the hometown guy, then gave him like minutes to recover for no reason

at least in the bute fight there was no time left anyway

jamamb wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 16:01

What the hell was that all about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jamamb wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 16:01

This is the only answer that should ever come up when this question is asked. If a referee screwed me over that bad, he'd be lucky to make it to his car after the fight.

ya crazy stuff, heard the ref got banned for life but not sure if thats true

loved that knockdown though

jamamb wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 16:01

The idiot ref also put that fighter in an awfully dangerous position. That is even worse. Thank God for his corner.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:48 The idiot ref also put that fighter in an awfully dangerous position. That is even worse. Thank God for his corner.

If his corner cared about him they would've stopped the fight. They let him fight on in a basically semi-conscious state because the fix was in for their man. One of the most obvious cases of a fix in the sports history. The referee is doing everything except helping him hit the opponent.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:50 If his corner cared about him they would've stopped the fight. They let him fight on in a basically semi-conscious state because the fix was in for their man. One of the most obvious cases of a fix in the sports history. The referee is doing everything except helping him hit the opponent.

It looked like his cornerman was on the apron and held back as the ref provided all that extra time. But, they should've stepped in when it was obvious their guy was on queer street.

looks like the bell rang 30 seconds early too

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:54 It looked like his cornerman was on the apron and held back as the ref provided all that extra time. But, they should've stepped in when it was obvious their guy was on queer street.

His cornerman was holding him upright by his trunks to keep him from falling over. He couldn't stand under his own strength. That's OBVIOUSLY not allowed, but it happened. The referee was meanwhile giving his opponent a warning for hitting him in the face I guess?

Like I said the only thing the referee could've done to make it anymore obvious who's side he was on is start punching the other opponent. He was doing EVERYTHING he could to help out the guy being held up by his corner.

If I worked for the commission, I would actually remove a referee doing some sh*t like that mid-fight. I'd jump up on the apron and insist we get a different referee in there, and fire this guy on the spot after the whole thing.

But yeah, this right here is corrupt as it gets. Until the day you see the referee helping a boxer in a tag team effort in attacking his opponent this can't be topped.

Dancin' Dan wrote: ↑06 Oct 2017, 14:37 Lawrence Cole is right up there. Several fights. Always protects the house fighter to absurd crooked levels. Worst US ref easy.

One of the worst referees out there!