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Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 13:55 Calzaghe vs Lacy

Masterclass!

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 11:20

xerz00 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 09:36 Barrera v Prince Naseem
Froch v Bute
Fury v Wlad

and without doubt the clearer winner Calzaghe v Lacy

Fury v Wlad was a boxing lesson?

Yeah, I'm not really getting that one. Fury won but I doubt anyone would have been that shocked if Wlad got the nod and I doubt anyone would have really screamed robbery too loudly. Tyson only landed about seven punches a round.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 12:36

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 11:20

xerz00 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 09:36 Barrera v Prince Naseem
Froch v Bute
Fury v Wlad

and without doubt the clearer winner Calzaghe v Lacy

Fury v Wlad was a boxing lesson?

Yeah, I'm not really getting that one. Fury won but I doubt anyone would have been that shocked if Wlad got the nod and I doubt anyone would have really screamed robbery too loudly. Tyson only landed about seven punches a round.

Not getting into it! You've spent two years crying every time someone praises Tyson's win! I wouldn't be surprised if you've had counselling for it!

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 13:16Not getting into it! You've spent two years crying every time someone praises Tyson's win! I wouldn't be surprised if you've had counselling for it!

I've no issue with people praising the win - he won the fight and did the job. But it was hardly a boxing lesson. Wlad was favourite after the final bell - Lacy v Calzaghe and Pavlik v Hopkins lost pretty much every minute of the fight.

Froch / Abraham

Tommy Hearns Vs Virgil Hill.

Expected to lose Hearns outboxed the boxer.

ElJefe wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 14:18 Maybe boxing lesson is harsh but in terms of a well matched fight that turned out to be one sided, Jones Jr. vs Toney.

Yes. Toney couldn't get out of the way of that left hook all night. Toney was also being clowned for the most part by Michael Nunn (not so far as a "lesson" in fairness) as well before he hit the jackpot. As for Jones Jnr-Toney though, people forget just how one-sided it was.

Hamed is the one who springs to mind as having both handed out a lesson and then had his arsehole handed to him.

lurkyshaka wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 15:34 Tommy Hearns Vs Virgil Hill.

Expected to lose Hearns outboxed the boxer.

Great call. On a related note, while Jones was favoured, I don't think anyone expected him to do Hill in the way he did - that's probably the best body shot I've ever seen

stujones wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 11:44 No mention of Wright vs Bingham, Foster and Dodson.

Another one....lewis vs Tyson

Hey fella, going back to the original post though, none of those outcomes were surprises though - nobody was suggesting pre-fight that Wright and Foster were on the same level, for example.

Foster - yeah, but I remember people giving Bingham and Dodson huge chances - Wright might have been the favourite but I think all of Sky's pundits thought Bingham would tag Wright (who was considered "chinny" at the time) - Dodson was described by BM as the form fighter in Europe ahead of their fight. I think they went for Wright (who was now a known commodity) but were not confident on their pick.

Pac vs Chris Algieri

No surprises there but it was a lesson for sure.

Deserter wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 23:41

lurkyshaka wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 15:34 Tommy Hearns Vs Virgil Hill.

Expected to lose Hearns outboxed the boxer.

Great call. On a related note, while Jones was favoured, I don't think anyone expected him to do Hill in the way he did - that's probably the best body shot I've ever seen

Yeah true.....truly vicious, there's photos which show the raw power/energy coming out of Hill's body from the shot. Like in soundwaves the image is distorted. The pain must have been immense.

Wasn't Contehs win over Lopez practically with one hand as well?

banjo wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 06:38 Wasn't Contehs win over Lopez practically with one hand as well?

He jabbed Yaqui to pieces, a man who later gave Victor Galindez all the trouble he could handle over 30 rounds. Galindez was at ringside for Conteh's win and, introduced into the ring just before the fight, walked over to Conteh and labelled him a chicken. Conteh tapped his head. Boxing fans assumed that Conteh's much-injured right hand forced him to change his style but I watched Conteh's world title win over Jorge Ahumada at Wembley in 1974, prior to his hand injuries, and he hardly used the right at all, jabbing and hooking off the jab all night, so maybe he always neglected the right hand.

bennie wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 10:10

banjo wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 06:38 Wasn't Contehs win over Lopez practically with one hand as well?

He jabbed Yaqui to pieces, a man who later gave Victor Galindez all the trouble he could handle over 30 rounds. Galindez was at ringside for Conteh's win and, introduced into the ring just before the fight, walked over to Conteh and labelled him a chicken. Conteh tapped his head. Boxing fans assumed that Conteh's much-injured right hand forced him to change his style but I watched Conteh's world title win over Jorge Ahumada at Wembley in 1974, prior to his hand injuries, and he hardly used the right at all, jabbing and hooking off the jab all night, so maybe he always neglected the right hand.

really good point, his beautiful left hand work, the variety and volume of it, especially the smoothness he hooked off the jab, was the thing that first made me realise what a stylist Conteh was

regarding his hand injuries bennie, did he have them when he fought Finnegan? because i similarly recall from that fight, rather than the oft-used lead right hand against southpaws, somewhat unusually Conteh was doubling up with his left hand very frequently, he had a lovely rhythm that allowed him to sway outside Finnegan's right lead and counter to body and head/ head body with the left hook.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 10:14

bennie wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 10:10

banjo wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 06:38 Wasn't Contehs win over Lopez practically with one hand as well?

He jabbed Yaqui to pieces, a man who later gave Victor Galindez all the trouble he could handle over 30 rounds. Galindez was at ringside for Conteh's win and, introduced into the ring just before the fight, walked over to Conteh and labelled him a chicken. Conteh tapped his head. Boxing fans assumed that Conteh's much-injured right hand forced him to change his style but I watched Conteh's world title win over Jorge Ahumada at Wembley in 1974, prior to his hand injuries, and he hardly used the right at all, jabbing and hooking off the jab all night, so maybe he always neglected the right hand.

really good point, his beautiful left hand work, the variety and volume of it, especially the smoothness he hooked off the jab, was the thing that first made me realise what a stylist Conteh was

regarding his hand injuries bennie, did he have them when he fought Finnegan? because i similarly recall from that fight, rather than the oft-used lead right hand against southpaws, somewhat unusually Conteh was doubling up with his left hand very frequently, he had a lovely rhythm that allowed him to sway outside Finnegan's right lead and counter to body and head/ head body with the left hook.

He left manager Harry Levene and trainer George Francis after winning the world title, foolishly believing that he could go it alone, and took a non-title fight in the States in 1975 against a thickset fighter by the name of Willie "The Bull" Taylor, breaking the hand on Taylor's head on the way to a points win. Francis always stressed that Conteh would never have injured the hand if he had bandaged it. Conteh then broke the hand again in sparring, before linking back up with Levene and Francis. So, to answer your question, the hand was OK in the two battles with Finnegan and maybe he was always sparing with the right hand. The thing is with Conteh, and I am being serious here, he didn't really need a big right hand because he did a lot of damage to his opponents with his blatant use of the head. He was a ruthless fighter, and a dirty one.

thanks bennie

At a lower level than most of the fights already spoken about try and watch Alan Temple v Wayne Rigby on YouTube
Apart from when Temple gets dropped in an early round he puts on a master class for 99% of the fight

stujones wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 05:17 Foster - yeah, but I remember people giving Bingham and Dodson huge chances - Wright might have been the favourite but I think all of Sky's pundits thought Bingham would tag Wright (who was considered "chinny" at the time) - Dodson was described by BM as the form fighter in Europe ahead of their fight. I think they went for Wright (who was now a known commodity) but were not confident on their pick.

Fair enough Stu. May be the case that I'm remembering it in the context of what Wright became. Dodson was definitely ridiculously over-hyped at one point.

Was going to say Calzaghe vs Lacy but it's been used a lot.

So going for Mosely vs Margarito!

Even allowing for the size disparity I think you have to add Loma vs Rigo to this list now. I fully expected him to win, I didn't expect him to make such an outstanding champion look like a rank amateur...

Loma v Rigo

Holmes v Frazier was exactly as Larry predicted,i painful lesson in less than 3 mins.

Tom Moore wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 17:32 Hamed is the one who springs to mind as having both handed out a lesson and then had his arsehole handed to him.

Gamers win over Robinson was fantastic to watch Robinson who was quite a bit bigger than Hamed just couldn't lay a gloves on the Prince that nigh and is probably hameds best show