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Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:45

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:33

Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:22

Silly Comparison.

No it isn’t. The size difference was similar. The weight jump was similar. Not sure that JMM won a round. I had Rigo shading round 1.

JMM simply would never quit, unlike Rigo.

The size difference was nowhere near similar. Rigo actually possessed a physical advantage over Loma (reach). Rigo's last opponent Flores was bigger than Loma.
Marquez had no such advantages.

Weight wise, Rigo still looked in great shape at the weigh in, it was only an 8lb jump, he probably just cut less water. Marquez a year before the Floyd fight was campaigning at 130, 3 division below Welter. He had love-handles and was horrendously out of shape. The in-ring weight difference was about 20lb, no way was it as much for Rigo.
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And finally, it's a silly comparison because the styles aren't even close. Loma outboxed a master Cuban pugulist, who in theory should have been quicker since he's a superbantam. Mayweather outboxed Marquez, a Mexican tear-up artist.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:45

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:33

Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:22

Silly Comparison.

No it isn’t. The size difference was similar. The weight jump was similar. Not sure that JMM won a round. I had Rigo shading round 1.

JMM simply would never quit, unlike Rigo.

The size difference was nowhere near similar. Rigo actually possessed a physical advantage over Loma (reach). Rigo's last opponent Flores was bigger than Loma.
Marquez had no such advantages.

Weight wise, Rigo still looked in great shape at the weigh in, it was only an 8lb jump, he probably just cut less water. Marquez a year before the Floyd fight was campaigning at 130, 3 division below Welter. He had love-handles and was horrendously out of shape. The in-ring weight difference was about 20lb, no way was it as much for Rigo.

And finally, it's a silly comparison because the styles aren't even close. Loma outboxed a master Cuban pugulist, who in theory should have been quicker since he's a superbantam. Mayweather outboxed Marquez, a Mexican tear-up artist.

Kalan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:55

Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:45

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:33
No it isn’t. The size difference was similar. The weight jump was similar. Not sure that JMM won a round. I had Rigo shading round 1.

JMM simply would never quit, unlike Rigo.

The size difference was nowhere near similar. Rigo actually possessed a physical advantage over Loma (reach). Rigo's last opponent Flores was bigger than Loma.
Marquez had no such advantages.

Weight wise, Rigo still looked in great shape at the weigh in, it was only an 8lb jump, he probably just cut less water. Marquez a year before the Floyd fight was campaigning at 130, 3 division below Welter. He had love-handles and was horrendously out of shape. The in-ring weight difference was about 20lb, no way was it as much for Rigo.

And finally, it's a silly comparison because the styles aren't even close. Loma outboxed a master Cuban pugulist, who in theory should have been quicker since he's a superbantam. Mayweather outboxed Marquez, a Mexican tear-up artist.

Good points.

Marquez was also 37 years old and that's one comparison you can make.... But Marquez had lost a bunch of fights and he was nowhere near as good a boxer... But JMM didn't foul Floyd like Rigo .-- and he wasn't a quitter like Rigo.

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:55

Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:45

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:33
No it isn’t. The size difference was similar. The weight jump was similar. Not sure that JMM won a round. I had Rigo shading round 1.

JMM simply would never quit, unlike Rigo.

The size difference was nowhere near similar. Rigo actually possessed a physical advantage over Loma (reach). Rigo's last opponent Flores was bigger than Loma.
Marquez had no such advantages.

Weight wise, Rigo still looked in great shape at the weigh in, it was only an 8lb jump, he probably just cut less water. Marquez a year before the Floyd fight was campaigning at 130, 3 division below Welter. He had love-handles and was horrendously out of shape. The in-ring weight difference was about 20lb, no way was it as much for Rigo.
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And finally, it's a silly comparison because the styles aren't even close. Loma outboxed a master Cuban pugulist, who in theory should have been quicker since he's a superbantam. Mayweather outboxed Marquez, a Mexican tear-up artist.

The weight difference was not much more than Nomassiah v Rigo. You have no evidence whatsoever that it was 20 pounds, and you have no idea what weight the combatants entered the ring at last night. FMJ has always been known for walking around near his fight night weight after reaching welter.

The reach advantage was completely nullified by the height, weight and strength advantages.

JMM has always been more than just “a Mexican tear-up artist.” He is one of the great boxers of all time, with elite reflexes, skills and heart.

What FMJ did to JMM was very similar to what Nomassiah did to Rigo, with the exception that Rigo landed more shots and JMM did not quit.

Think whatever you like. You are an expert at being wrong and blurting out random trash to defend your “silly” positions.

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 23:21 I would take JMM and John over Rigo at feather ...... JMM eventually defeated an ATG at the same weight he lost to FMJ

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 00:04

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:55

Ricky_ wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:45

The size difference was nowhere near similar. Rigo actually possessed a physical advantage over Loma (reach). Rigo's last opponent Flores was bigger than Loma.
Marquez had no such advantages.

Weight wise, Rigo still looked in great shape at the weigh in, it was only an 8lb jump, he probably just cut less water. Marquez a year before the Floyd fight was campaigning at 130, 3 division below Welter. He had love-handles and was horrendously out of shape. The in-ring weight difference was about 20lb, no way was it as much for Rigo.
I
And finally, it's a silly comparison because the styles aren't even close. Loma outboxed a master Cuban pugulist, who in theory should have been quicker since he's a superbantam. Mayweather outboxed Marquez, a Mexican tear-up artist.

The weight difference was not much more than Nomassiah v Rigo. You have no evidence whatsoever that it was 20 pounds, and you have no idea what weight the combatants entered the ring at last night. FMJ has always been known for walking around near his fight night weight after reaching welter.

The reach advantage was completely nullified by the height, weight and strength advantages.

JMM has always been more than just “a Mexican tear-up artist.” He is one of the great boxers of all time, with elite reflexes, skills and heart.

What FMJ did to JMM was very similar to what Nomassiah did to Rigo, with the exception that Rigo landed more shots and JMM did not quit.

Think whatever you like. You are an expert at being wrong and blurting out random trash to defend your “silly” positions.

Nonsense. Floyd couldn't even drain below 146 vs Marquez & paid him off. He was always in the 150's ring weight at Welter. Marquez claimed there was a 20lb difference, and looking at them in the ring that was certainly in the vicinity. Floyd was a lean 146 on the scales, JMM was a chubby 142. A significant difference in lean weight, not to mention height & significant reach.

This comparison of Floyd JMM is pathetic - Floyd Fan Boys crying that the history books will rate Loma's win over Rigo higher than Floyd's over JMM - and rightly so.

It's not lost on the fans as to WHY Floyd chose Marquez. He was ducking Pacquiao. So in 2009, rather than face Pac, Floyd (an ex 154 world champion) decided to drag JMM up 17 pounds instead - because in 2008 Pac struggled to a split dec vs Marquez at 130. Pacquiao could have paid Castllo to come out of retirement and it would have been the same thing.

This wasn't a viable contest and there was no reason for it even to be made - nobody was calling for Floyd vs Marquez. Everyone knew it was the Cherrypick of all Cherrypicks by the ducking King of Cherrypicks. It was a farce riddled with ulterior motive and is remembered as such. (Had you said Floyd/Hatton you may have had a closer comparison on the weight front).

Floyd never faced a 'pure boxer' in the shape of Rigondeaux, to suggest Marquez has a style remotely close to Rigo is laughable. Floyd could have faced Lara, but he preferred to pick sluggers like Ortiz, Berto, Gatti, Maidana, Guerrero. A guy like Lara was too big a risk, he couldn't have potshotted to a 118-114.

By comparison, Loma's win over Rigo may have a slight asterik, as he did possess a weight advantage, but the headline act in this one is that 2 p4p ranked world champions (with possibly the 2 best amatuer careers in the modern era) squared off, with 1 comprehensively outboxing the other. An emphatic and historic win. Fmj vs Jmm was a farce and everyone knows it.





20lb easy, massive difference in lean weight. Huge difference in reach.

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:55
What FMJ did to JMM was very similar to what Nomassiah did to Rigo, with the exception that Rigo landed more shots and JMM did not quit

Kalan wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 01:15

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 23:21 I would take JMM and John over Rigo at feather ...... JMM eventually defeated an ATG at the same weight he lost to FMJ

I have to say, at least you picked Lomachenko to win -- so you're not as partisan as Badhusker, SaadOff, and a bunch of the other Lomachenko haters... but maybe you're thinking about John's win over Marquez -- because that's the only significant win John ever got... Marquez also lost to little Freddie Norwood... No way do those guys compare with Rigondeaux in skills, speed or deceptiveness... Rigo is too tricky and it takes a Lomachenko to solve him.

Kalan wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 01:39

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:55
What FMJ did to JMM was very similar to what Nomassiah did to Rigo, with the exception that Rigo landed more shots and JMM did not quit

Not true - except for the fact that Rigondeaux's effort was so hopeless he quit... He barely landed anything.

Rigondeaux landed 2 and 1/2 punches per round on Lomachenko.... Marquez landed 5.75 punches per round on Mayweather.... So JMM landed at more than twice the per-round rate on Floyd than Rigondeaux did on Lomachenko.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 17:41

victor-romeo wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 15:28 So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

How many future dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?

victor-romeo wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 02:48

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 17:41

victor-romeo wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 15:28 So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

How many future dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?

Your question though isn't really relevant to what I posted. I just said the guy has a unique style and is supreme talent that only comes by like every 20 years. I agree though with the thread title" Loma GOAT potential, key word is potential, he is not GOAT yet but he as the potential to be that, his story is still evolving and on the rise. Potential means "showing the capacity to develop into in the future" and he as that no doubt. Is he there yet no. But has the possibility of becoming that.

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 01:30

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 00:04

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:55
The weight difference was not much more than Nomassiah v Rigo. You have no evidence whatsoever that it was 20 pounds, and you have no idea what weight the combatants entered the ring at last night. FMJ has always been known for walking around near his fight night weight after reaching welter.
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The reach advantage was completely nullified by the height, weight and strength advantages.

JMM has always been more than just “a Mexican tear-up artist.” He is one of the great boxers of all time, with elite reflexes, skills and heart.

What FMJ did to JMM was very similar to what Nomassiah did to Rigo, with the exception that Rigo landed more shots and JMM did not quit.

Think whatever you like. You are an expert at being wrong and blurting out random trash to defend your “silly” positions.

Nonsense. Floyd couldn't even drain below 146 vs Marquez & paid him off. He was always in the 150's ring weight at Welter. Marquez claimed there was a 20lb difference, and looking at them in the ring that was certainly in the vicinity. Floyd was a lean 146 on the scales, JMM was a chubby 142. A significant difference in lean weight, not to mention height & significant reach.

This comparison of Floyd JMM is pathetic - Floyd Fan Boys crying that the history books will rate Loma's win over Rigo higher than Floyd's over JMM - and rightly so.

It's not lost on the fans as to WHY Floyd chose Marquez. He was ducking Pacquiao. So in 2009, rather than face Pac, Floyd (an ex 154 world champion) decided to drag JMM up 17 pounds instead - because in 2008 Pac struggled to a split dec vs Marquez at 130. Pacquiao could have paid Castllo to come out of retirement and it would have been the same thing.

This wasn't a viable contest and there was no reason for it even to be made - nobody was calling for Floyd vs Marquez. Everyone knew it was the Cherrypick of all Cherrypicks by the ducking King of Cherrypicks. It was a farce riddled with ulterior motive and is remembered as such. (Had you said Floyd/Hatton you may have had a closer comparison on the weight front).

Floyd never faced a 'pure boxer' in the shape of Rigondeaux, to suggest Marquez has a style remotely close to Rigo is laughable. Floyd could have faced Lara, but he preferred to pick sluggers like Ortiz, Berto, Gatti, Maidana, Guerrero. A guy like Lara was too big a risk, he couldn't have potshotted to a 118-114.

By comparison, Loma's win over Rigo may have a slight asterik, as he did possess a weight advantage, but the headline act in this one is that 2 p4p ranked world champions (with possibly the 2 best amatuer careers in the modern era) squared off, with 1 comprehensively outboxing the other. An emphatic and historic win. Fmj vs Jmm was a farce and everyone knows it.





20lb easy, massive difference in lean weight. Huge difference in reach.

You claimed 20 pounds. That would have made FMJ at least 162. You are flatout, clearly wrong.

We finally get to the core of your objection; you are an FMJ hater, and a JMM hater.

Nomassiah is not in FMJ’s league, yet. Rigo will never accomplish what JMM did. You can claim anything you like. There are only two things that Rigo will be remembered for being better than JMM: being infinitely more boring and quitting.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 07:13 Caldo is AWOL, right?

caldo2025 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:59

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 07:13 Caldo is AWOL, right?

Here I am buddy. See, now i don't have a problem with this OP. He's not naming Loma a GOAT yet but asking about his potential to be...that's how we should assess the situation. Let's put this fight into perspective really quick...Loma made a 37 (probably 40) year old quit on his stool after making him jump up 2 weight classes for the fight. That is not very impressive.

But what is impressive is making 4 boxers quit on their stool in a row. That, i can't say i've ever seen. Let's let Loma accumulate these kinds of wins and see where it takes us. I'm impressed at this point. Is he a GOAT? Nope, not yet. But he's starting to pave the road for it. Lots could happen.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 04:18

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 01:30

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 00:04


Nonsense. Floyd couldn't even drain below 146 vs Marquez & paid him off. He was always in the 150's ring weight at Welter. Marquez claimed there was a 20lb difference, and looking at them in the ring that was certainly in the vicinity. Floyd was a lean 146 on the scales, JMM was a chubby 142. A significant difference in lean weight, not to mention height & significant reach.

This comparison of Floyd JMM is pathetic - Floyd Fan Boys crying that the history books will rate Loma's win over Rigo higher than Floyd's over JMM - and rightly so.

It's not lost on the fans as to WHY Floyd chose Marquez. He was ducking Pacquiao. So in 2009, rather than face Pac, Floyd (an ex 154 world champion) decided to drag JMM up 17 pounds instead - because in 2008 Pac struggled to a split dec vs Marquez at 130. Pacquiao could have paid Castllo to come out of retirement and it would have been the same thing.

This wasn't a viable contest and there was no reason for it even to be made - nobody was calling for Floyd vs Marquez. Everyone knew it was the Cherrypick of all Cherrypicks by the ducking King of Cherrypicks. It was a farce riddled with ulterior motive and is remembered as such. (Had you said Floyd/Hatton you may have had a closer comparison on the weight front).

Floyd never faced a 'pure boxer' in the shape of Rigondeaux, to suggest Marquez has a style remotely close to Rigo is laughable. Floyd could have faced Lara, but he preferred to pick sluggers like Ortiz, Berto, Gatti, Maidana, Guerrero. A guy like Lara was too big a risk, he couldn't have potshotted to a 118-114.

By comparison, Loma's win over Rigo may have a slight asterik, as he did possess a weight advantage, but the headline act in this one is that 2 p4p ranked world champions (with possibly the 2 best amatuer careers in the modern era) squared off, with 1 comprehensively outboxing the other. An emphatic and historic win. Fmj vs Jmm was a farce and everyone knows it.





20lb easy, massive difference in lean weight. Huge difference in reach.

You claimed 20 pounds. That would have made FMJ at least 162. You are flatout, clearly wrong.

We finally get to the core of your objection; you are an FMJ hater, and a JMM hater.

Nomassiah is not in FMJ’s league, yet. Rigo will never accomplish what JMM did. You can claim anything you like. There are only two things that Rigo will be remembered for being better than JMM: being infinitely more boring and quitting.

jmm hater!? He's my favourite fighter of all time.

If Lomachenko isnt in Floyd's league, then why are you Floyd fanboys even bitching about how well received his win over Rigo is, compared to Floyd's joke of a win over Marquez? Pathetic.

Go chant TBE! TBE! in a corner somewhere & let the rest of us enjoy Loma's masterclass.

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 08:20

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 04:18

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 01:30
You claimed 20 pounds. That would have made FMJ at least 162. You are flatout, clearly wrong.

We finally get to the core of your objection; you are an FMJ hater, and a JMM hater.

Nomassiah is not in FMJ’s league, yet. Rigo will never accomplish what JMM did. You can claim anything you like. There are only two things that Rigo will be remembered for being better than JMM: being infinitely more boring and quitting.

jmm hater!? He's my favourite fighter of all time.

If Lomachenko isnt in Floyd's league, then why are you Floyd fanboys even bitching about how well received his win over Rigo is, compared to Floyd's joke of a win over Marquez? Pathetic.

Go chant TBE! TBE! in a corner somewhere & let the rest of us enjoy Loma's masterclass.

My post record on FMJ speaks for itself.

You describing your alleged “favourite fighter of all time” as simply “a Mexican tear-up artist” also speaks for itself.

You are the only part of this discussion that could be accurately described as “silly.”

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 08:32

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 08:20

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 04:18


jmm hater!? He's my favourite fighter of all time.

If Lomachenko isnt in Floyd's league, then why are you Floyd fanboys even bitching about how well received his win over Rigo is, compared to Floyd's joke of a win over Marquez? Pathetic.

Go chant TBE! TBE! in a corner somewhere & let the rest of us enjoy Loma's masterclass.

My post record on FMJ speaks for itself.

You describing your alleged “favourite fighter of all time” as simply “a Mexican tear-up artist” also speaks for itself.

You are the only part of this discussion that could be accurately described as “silly.”

Mexican tear-up artist is a beautiful description, and the reason why he's my favourite fighter. Comparing his style with Rigo's is silly. Everything about your comparison was silly. You're a silly old man.

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:01

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 08:32

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 08:20
My post record on FMJ speaks for itself.

You describing your alleged “favourite fighter of all time” as simply “a Mexican tear-up artist” also speaks for itself.

You are the only part of this discussion that could be accurately described as “silly.”

Mexican tear-up artist is a beautiful description, and the reason why he's my favourite fighter. Comparing his style with Rigo's is silly. Everything about your comparison was silly. You're a silly old man.

It wasn’t my comparison in the first place, TriggereDicky_. But, I think that it is a decent one. I don’t remember anyone comparing and contrasting their styles besides you.

You started this whole back and forth with a conscious misrepresentation of the facts that you doubled and tripled down on and then attempted to ignore / discard from the conversation. Not surprising given the news outlets you frequent and the politicians you idolize.

There is zero evidence that FMJ was 20 pounds heavier than JMM. He might have been as much as ten pounds heavier, which is in the neighborhood of how much heavier than Rigo Nomassiah was at fight time.

Both were dominating wins. Both were against very highly rated fighters, although Rigo was rated nowhere near as high P4P before the Nomassiah fight as JMM was v FMJ.

The main differences were that the size advantage was largely ignored / disregarded leading up to Nomassiah v Rigo, and Rigo was significantly overrated - especially in the heart department.

You are just being silly TriggereDicky_. Run along now and take out your frustrations on your fishbait watching other men have sex with women, little boy.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:36

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:01

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 08:32

Mexican tear-up artist is a beautiful description, and the reason why he's my favourite fighter. Comparing his style with Rigo's is silly. Everything about your comparison was silly. You're a silly old man.

It wasn’t my comparison in the first place, TriggereDicky_. But, I think that it is a decent one. I don’t remember anyone comparing and contrasting their styles besides you.

You started this whole back and forth with a conscious misrepresentation of the facts that you doubled and tripled down on and then attempted to ignore / discard from the conversation. Not surprising given the news outlets you frequent and the politicians you idolize.

There is zero evidence that FMJ was 20 pounds heavier than JMM. He might have been as much as ten pounds heavier, which is in the neighborhood of how much heavier than Rigo Nomassiah was at fight time.

Both were dominating wins. Both were against very highly rated fighters, although Rigo was rated nowhere near as high P4P before the Nomassiah fight as JMM was v FMJ.

The main differences were that the size advantage was largely ignored / disregarded leading up to Nomassiah v Rigo, and Rigo was significantly overrated - especially in the heart department.

You are just being silly TriggereDicky_. Run along now and take out your frustrations on your fishbait watching other men have sex with women, little boy.

Lol at the weight difference being the same. Your eyes aren't what they used to be grampa. Another win for Ricky. Until next time