Povetkin should stay away from Joshua

[greg]

..Parker has still to impress me but I agree that his youth might give him the edge..

[boxing_rocks]

I really don't think they are trolling. They are actually that stupid.

You are the one who is stupid. ALMOST EVERYBODY on the top level is juicing, but the campaign against Russian olympians is politically motivated.

It was a straight up lie earlier. Now that I hit you with evidence that it's happening it's "Politically Motivated"

What evidence? There is none in this thread. I bet if it exists, it could be contested by a good attorney. Or maybe it is as secret as "evidence" of Russians hacking US elections? Everybody is talking about it but nobody saw it?

[gilgamesh]

You are the one who is stupid. ALMOST EVERYBODY on the top level is juicing, but the campaign against Russian olympians is politically motivated.

It was a straight up lie earlier. Now that I hit you with evidence that it's happening it's "Politically Motivated"

What evidence? There is none in this thread. I bet if it exists, it could be contested by a good attorney. Or maybe it is as secret as "evidence" of Russians hacking US elections? Everybody is talking about it but nobody saw it?

from the New York Times

"That was the punishment issued Tuesday to the proud sports juggernaut that has long used the Olympics as a show of global force but was exposed for systematic doping in previously unfathomable ways. The International Olympic Committee, after completing its own prolonged investigations that reiterated what had been known for more than a year, handed Russia penalties for doping so severe they were without precedent in Olympics history."

[Ilya Muromets]

It was a straight up lie earlier. Now that I hit you with evidence that it's happening it's "Politically Motivated"

What evidence? There is none in this thread. I bet if it exists, it could be contested by a good attorney. Or maybe it is as secret as "evidence" of Russians hacking US elections? Everybody is talking about it but nobody saw it?

from the New York Times

"That was the punishment issued Tuesday to the proud sports juggernaut that has long used the Olympics as a show of global force but was exposed for systematic doping in previously unfathomable ways. The International Olympic Committee, after completing its own prolonged investigations that reiterated what had been known for more than a year, handed Russia penalties for doping so severe they were without precedent in Olympics history."

Like the olympics hasn't been politicized and jingoized and corrupted and degenerated far enough away from its original Greek ideal already, and they weren't able to wreck it in 1980 and 1984, so now they're going to try and finish it off for good. They want it to be a US-UK western monopoly like heavyweight boxing used to be.

[boxing_rocks]

It was a straight up lie earlier. Now that I hit you with evidence that it's happening it's "Politically Motivated"

What evidence? There is none in this thread. I bet if it exists, it could be contested by a good attorney. Or maybe it is as secret as "evidence" of Russians hacking US elections? Everybody is talking about it but nobody saw it?

from the New York Times

"That was the punishment issued Tuesday to the proud sports juggernaut that has long used the Olympics as a show of global force but was exposed for systematic doping in previously unfathomable ways. The International Olympic Committee, after completing its own prolonged investigations that reiterated what had been known for more than a year, handed Russia penalties for doping so severe they were without precedent in Olympics history."

You sound like you were born in a communist or third world country. Russians were not allowed to defend themselves and contest the charges. Stalin era triangles were also "completing their investigations".

[Badhusker]

For Joshua, Wilder, Fury not to easily beat Povetkin would be a shame. Povetkin can't fight from the outside at all. His only hope is to duck and dive in and hope one of his sloppy hooks or overhand rights lands. A big heavy with a good jab would beat him easily. Wlad showed how. Yes, it looked like Wlad tied him up, but it was Povetkin initiating them. With a jab and a small bit of lateral movement to create an angle when he comes in would be all it takes to KO Povetkin. I'm surprised Wlad didn't.

[asdfjkl]

For Joshua, Wilder, Fury not to easily beat Povetkin would be a shame. Povetkin can't fight from the outside at all. His only hope is to duck and dive in and hope one of his sloppy hooks or overhand rights lands. A big heavy with a good jab would beat him easily. Wlad showed how. Yes, it looked like Wlad tied him up, but it was Povetkin initiating them. With a jab and a small bit of lateral movement to create an angle when he comes in would be all it takes to KO Povetkin. I'm surprised Wlad didn't.

Nobody KOed Povetkin, not even in the amateurs as far as I know. I still think Wilder would lose, especially at the time when they were supposed to fight, but Wilder refused to show up after his holiday. And TBH, he didn't seem to be in shape at all anyway.

[Luis Fernando12]

funny how he suddenly lost that ktfo power too

It's not unusual HISTORICALLY for boxers to decline by age 38 (or post age 35). Alexander Povetkin isn't the first (and likely won't be the last) to decline by such an age. Especially as a high intensity pressure fighter that is physically smaller in size than nearly every one of his opponents. It's not a 'sudden' but a 'normal' and a 'usual' decline after reaching an old age.

[Luis Fernando12]

funny how he suddenly lost that ktfo power too

It's funny that those Russian people/fans blame others for their own faults.


Povetkin failed twice , his body has drasticaly changed and a now he can not KO bums like Rudenko or Hammer OMG.

Fury just knocked down Hammer!!!!!!!!!

It was all about his PEDS

I don't care much about nationality or ethnicity. But aren't you being a little unfair for criticizing Alexander Povetkin for failing to KO opponents at an age when other past heavyweight champions were either retired, or were losing to bums / journeymen?

How successful were past heavyweight champions when it came to knocking out opponents at the caliber of Andriy Rudenko (who has never been knocked out before) and Christian Hammer (only ever knocked out once) when they were age 38? Especially those who were high intensity pressure fighters that were smaller in size than pretty much all their opponents as Alexander Povetkin is?

[Luis Fernando12]

Why in the world would Povetkin avoid Joshua?

What do you think he's in the fight business for? Just to wear pretty trunks?

If Povetkin gets the opportunity (and he should as the top contender) he jumps at the chance.

He can win a version of the heavyweight crown and earns one of the biggest paydays of his career..

It's absurd to believe Povetkin should turn it down. Do you think he's frightened of Joshua?

He would truly believe he would win a bout with Joshua. And his chances are pretty decent

Don't get so hung up on KOs. The better fighter isn't necessarily the bigger puncher.

A talented boxer will usually upend a puncher.

I see Povetkin/Joshua as 50/50.

Alexander Povetkin might not be frightened because he is too brave for his own good. But as a huge fan of him, who happens to be one of my favorite heavyweights of all time and my favorite current heavyweights. I'm frightened for his life against Anthony Joshua. It seems like a huge mismatch, to the point where it doesn't even seem like Povetkin deserves to be in the same ring across Anthony Joshua. These two simply don't belong in the same ring together as opponents! A sheer physical mismatch this is!

[Luis Fernando12]

He could not KO glass jawed Hammer. This is what happens when you are not "Pedvetkin" anymore.

Same happened to Erkan Teper.

Pre-Klitschko Povetkin is back ladies and gentlemen.

Alexander Povetkin is a blown up 6 foot 1, natural light heavyweight. He doesn't belong in the same ring with those giants.

[gilgamesh]

What evidence? There is none in this thread. I bet if it exists, it could be contested by a good attorney. Or maybe it is as secret as "evidence" of Russians hacking US elections? Everybody is talking about it but nobody saw it?

from the New York Times

"That was the punishment issued Tuesday to the proud sports juggernaut that has long used the Olympics as a show of global force but was exposed for systematic doping in previously unfathomable ways. The International Olympic Committee, after completing its own prolonged investigations that reiterated what had been known for more than a year, handed Russia penalties for doping so severe they were without precedent in Olympics history."

You sound like you were born in a communist or third world country. Russians were not allowed to defend themselves and contest the charges. Stalin era triangles were also "completing their investigations".

A Russian just tested positive for PED's in Curling in the Winter Olympics

Seriously....Curling

[Kalan]

since 2014

takam
perez
duhaupas
charr
hammer
wach
rudenko

i can respect that this is among the best hw resumes of the last 3 years, though i think aj and wilder both splat him. without that ped power hes merely good, maybe a bit better than pulev and parker.

Povetkin never took a PED.... VADA even admitted it (quietly) after they insinuated he did and "investigated." .... VADA nailed Stiverne for PED use and did NOTHING to discipline their boy for being a PED freak beyond forcing him to pay fines.

[Luis Fernando12]

since 2014

takam
perez
duhaupas
charr
hammer
wach
rudenko

i can respect that this is among the best hw resumes of the last 3 years, though i think aj and wilder both splat him. without that ped power hes merely good, maybe a bit better than pulev and parker.

Povetkin never took a PED.... VADA even admitted it (quietly) after they insinuated he did and "investigated." .... VADA nailed Stiverne for PED use and did NOTHING to discipline their boy for being a PED freak beyond forcing him to pay fines.

Just respectfully out of curiosity, do you think there was any point in time when Alexander Povetkin could've beaten current Anthony Joshua?

And I agree, you make solid points in regards to PED. 100% 'clean' and 'natural' athletes don't exist in the 21st century but Alexander Povetkin is no less 'clean' or 'natural' than pretty much any other top top boxer out there.

But my main question is the B sample. Did Alexander Povetkin really fail that? You seem to be a pretty knowledgeable poster so I respect your input!

[asdfjkl]

since 2014

takam
perez
duhaupas
charr
hammer
wach
rudenko

i can respect that this is among the best hw resumes of the last 3 years, though i think aj and wilder both splat him. without that ped power hes merely good, maybe a bit better than pulev and parker.

Povetkin never took a PED.... VADA even admitted it (quietly) after they insinuated he did and "investigated." .... VADA nailed Stiverne for PED use and did NOTHING to discipline their boy for being a PED freak beyond forcing him to pay fines.

Just respectfully out of curiosity, do you think there was any point in time when Alexander Povetkin could've beaten current Anthony Joshua?

And I agree, you make solid points in regards to PED. 100% 'clean' and 'natural' athletes don't exist in the 21st century but Alexander Povetkin is no less 'clean' or 'natural' than pretty much any other top top boxer out there.

But my main question is the B sample. Did Alexander Povetkin really fail that? You seem to be a pretty knowledgeable poster so I respect your input!

He took Meldonium, something like an aspirine, about 7 months before the fight at a moment it was actually allowed. Later they banned this, not because it makes you stronger or anything like that, but because they thought it was suspicious that all the Russians and eastern Europeans had the substance in their bodies. Ofcourse, Povetkin had a few nanograms of it left in his body, so wada/vada needed more time to do additional tests. Wilder and all the American media screamed Povetkin failed a drugstest, in reality, Povetkin turned out to be innocent and indeed only took the medicine when it was allowed. Actually, the American lab failed to do a proper job. Now Wilder and his team will always be known as a bunch of scammers by everybody who knows boxing, somehow most Americans don't know this, or act like they don't know this. They robbed Povetkin from a world title, about 80 milion dollar and awesome carreer ending just to hand it over to the greatest scam ever.

[Luis Fernando12]

Povetkin never took a PED.... VADA even admitted it (quietly) after they insinuated he did and "investigated." .... VADA nailed Stiverne for PED use and did NOTHING to discipline their boy for being a PED freak beyond forcing him to pay fines.

Just respectfully out of curiosity, do you think there was any point in time when Alexander Povetkin could've beaten current Anthony Joshua?

And I agree, you make solid points in regards to PED. 100% 'clean' and 'natural' athletes don't exist in the 21st century but Alexander Povetkin is no less 'clean' or 'natural' than pretty much any other top top boxer out there.

But my main question is the B sample. Did Alexander Povetkin really fail that? You seem to be a pretty knowledgeable poster so I respect your input!

He took Meldonium, something like an aspirine, about 7 months before the fight at a moment it was actually allowed. Later they banned this, not because it makes you stronger or anything like that, but because they thought it was suspicious that all the Russians and eastern Europeans had the substance in their bodies. Ofcourse, Povetkin had a few nanograms of it left in his body, so wada/vada needed more time to do additional tests. Wilder and all the American media screamed Povetkin failed a drugstest, in reality, Povetkin turned out to be innocent and indeed only took the medicine when it was allowed. Actually, the American lab failed to do a proper job. Now Wilder and his team will always be known as a bunch of scammers by everybody who knows boxing, somehow most Americans don't know this, or act like they don't know this. They robbed Povetkin from a world title, about 80 milion dollar and awesome carreer ending just to hand it over to the greatest scam ever.

Thanks for the info my friend!

But I wanted to know the main cause behind why he failed to KO at least one out of his last 2 opponents? Is it because he is declining from aging and isn't able to pull the trigger anymore? Or is it because he is being drug tested too much and losing too much blood from the testing, to the point where he doesn't have as much energy and strength left in the ring anymore? Or is it just a tactical decision involving actively not seeking for the knockout? Or is it because his opponents are only looking to survive? Or is it caused by a combination of those things?

I mean, his performances in his fights against Manuel Charr and Carlos Takam were very different compared to his performances against Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer? He looked different in the sense that his punches looked like they were accumulating greater damage and he looked like he was better able to break his opponents down.

[asdfjkl]

Just respectfully out of curiosity, do you think there was any point in time when Alexander Povetkin could've beaten current Anthony Joshua?

And I agree, you make solid points in regards to PED. 100% 'clean' and 'natural' athletes don't exist in the 21st century but Alexander Povetkin is no less 'clean' or 'natural' than pretty much any other top top boxer out there.

But my main question is the B sample. Did Alexander Povetkin really fail that? You seem to be a pretty knowledgeable poster so I respect your input!

He took Meldonium, something like an aspirine, about 7 months before the fight at a moment it was actually allowed. Later they banned this, not because it makes you stronger or anything like that, but because they thought it was suspicious that all the Russians and eastern Europeans had the substance in their bodies. Ofcourse, Povetkin had a few nanograms of it left in his body, so wada/vada needed more time to do additional tests. Wilder and all the American media screamed Povetkin failed a drugstest, in reality, Povetkin turned out to be innocent and indeed only took the medicine when it was allowed. Actually, the American lab failed to do a proper job. Now Wilder and his team will always be known as a bunch of scammers by everybody who knows boxing, somehow most Americans don't know this, or act like they don't know this. They robbed Povetkin from a world title, about 80 milion dollar and awesome carreer ending just to hand it over to the greatest scam ever.

Thanks for the info my friend!

But I wanted to know the main cause behind why he failed to KO at least one out of his last 2 opponents? Is it because he is declining from aging and isn't able to pull the trigger anymore? Or is it because he is being drug tested too much and losing too much blood from the testing, to the point where he doesn't have as much energy and strength laeft in the ring anymore? Or is it just a tactical decision involving actively not seeking for the knockout? Or is it because his opponents are only looking to survive? Or is it caused by a combination of those things?

I mean, his performances in his fights against Manuel Charr and Carlos Takam were very different compared to his performances against Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer? He looked different in the sense that his punches looked like they were accumulating greater damage and he looked like he was better able to break his opponents down.

He has a new trainer in his recent fights, his older trainer indeed wanted him to KO his opponents more often. During the Wach fight Povetkin had a serious bleeding nose in the early rounds because of this style, so that proved it to be a risky style. Also note that Rudenko had some odd problem with his neck, you can't hit him hard after that, imagine what would happen if he dies, you simply don't want that. Only the WBC risks such things with a bum like Stiverne in the ring with a top 50 guy. Still, Povetkin is getting old indeed, he's almost as old as Stiverne.

[Luis Fernando12]

He took Meldonium, something like an aspirine, about 7 months before the fight at a moment it was actually allowed. Later they banned this, not because it makes you stronger or anything like that, but because they thought it was suspicious that all the Russians and eastern Europeans had the substance in their bodies. Ofcourse, Povetkin had a few nanograms of it left in his body, so wada/vada needed more time to do additional tests. Wilder and all the American media screamed Povetkin failed a drugstest, in reality, Povetkin turned out to be innocent and indeed only took the medicine when it was allowed. Actually, the American lab failed to do a proper job. Now Wilder and his team will always be known as a bunch of scammers by everybody who knows boxing, somehow most Americans don't know this, or act like they don't know this. They robbed Povetkin from a world title, about 80 milion dollar and awesome carreer ending just to hand it over to the greatest scam ever.

Thanks for the info my friend!

But I wanted to know the main cause behind why he failed to KO at least one out of his last 2 opponents? Is it because he is declining from aging and isn't able to pull the trigger anymore? Or is it because he is being drug tested too much and losing too much blood from the testing, to the point where he doesn't have as much energy and strength laeft in the ring anymore? Or is it just a tactical decision involving actively not seeking for the knockout? Or is it because his opponents are only looking to survive? Or is it caused by a combination of those things?

I mean, his performances in his fights against Manuel Charr and Carlos Takam were very different compared to his performances against Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer? He looked different in the sense that his punches looked like they were accumulating greater damage and he looked like he was better able to break his opponents down.

He has a new trainer in his recent fights, his older trainer indeed wanted him to KO his opponents more often. During the Wach fight Povetkin had a serious bleeding nose in the early rounds because of this style, so that proved it to be a risky style. Also note that Rudenko had some odd problem with his neck, you can't hit him hard after that, imagine what would happen if he dies, you simply don't want that. Only the WBC risks such things with a bum like Stiverne in the ring with a top 50 guy. Still, Povetkin is getting old indeed, he's almost as old as Stiverne.

Okay thanks!

[bigman1968]

Just respectfully out of curiosity, do you think there was any point in time when Alexander Povetkin could've beaten current Anthony Joshua?

And I agree, you make solid points in regards to PED. 100% 'clean' and 'natural' athletes don't exist in the 21st century but Alexander Povetkin is no less 'clean' or 'natural' than pretty much any other top top boxer out there.

But my main question is the B sample. Did Alexander Povetkin really fail that? You seem to be a pretty knowledgeable poster so I respect your input!

He took Meldonium, something like an aspirine, about 7 months before the fight at a moment it was actually allowed. Later they banned this, not because it makes you stronger or anything like that, but because they thought it was suspicious that all the Russians and eastern Europeans had the substance in their bodies. Ofcourse, Povetkin had a few nanograms of it left in his body, so wada/vada needed more time to do additional tests. Wilder and all the American media screamed Povetkin failed a drugstest, in reality, Povetkin turned out to be innocent and indeed only took the medicine when it was allowed. Actually, the American lab failed to do a proper job. Now Wilder and his team will always be known as a bunch of scammers by everybody who knows boxing, somehow most Americans don't know this, or act like they don't know this. They robbed Povetkin from a world title, about 80 milion dollar and awesome carreer ending just to hand it over to the greatest scam ever.

Thanks for the info my friend!

But I wanted to know the main cause behind why he failed to KO at least one out of his last 2 opponents? Is it because he is declining from aging and isn't able to pull the trigger anymore? Or is it because he is being drug tested too much and losing too much blood from the testing, to the point where he doesn't have as much energy and strength left in the ring anymore? Or is it just a tactical decision involving actively not seeking for the knockout? Or is it because his opponents are only looking to survive? Or is it caused by a combination of those things?

I mean, his performances in his fights against Manuel Charr and Carlos Takam were very different compared to his performances against Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer? He looked different in the sense that his punches looked like they were accumulating greater damage and he looked like he was better able to break his opponents down.

Take an advise, don’t believe single statement of that Povetkin’s cocksucker idiot.
Check by yourself, it’s all in the internet...you’ll get “a bit” different picture-)))

[asdfjkl]

He took Meldonium, something like an aspirine, about 7 months before the fight at a moment it was actually allowed. Later they banned this, not because it makes you stronger or anything like that, but because they thought it was suspicious that all the Russians and eastern Europeans had the substance in their bodies. Ofcourse, Povetkin had a few nanograms of it left in his body, so wada/vada needed more time to do additional tests. Wilder and all the American media screamed Povetkin failed a drugstest, in reality, Povetkin turned out to be innocent and indeed only took the medicine when it was allowed. Actually, the American lab failed to do a proper job. Now Wilder and his team will always be known as a bunch of scammers by everybody who knows boxing, somehow most Americans don't know this, or act like they don't know this. They robbed Povetkin from a world title, about 80 milion dollar and awesome carreer ending just to hand it over to the greatest scam ever.

Thanks for the info my friend!

But I wanted to know the main cause behind why he failed to KO at least one out of his last 2 opponents? Is it because he is declining from aging and isn't able to pull the trigger anymore? Or is it because he is being drug tested too much and losing too much blood from the testing, to the point where he doesn't have as much energy and strength left in the ring anymore? Or is it just a tactical decision involving actively not seeking for the knockout? Or is it because his opponents are only looking to survive? Or is it caused by a combination of those things?

I mean, his performances in his fights against Manuel Charr and Carlos Takam were very different compared to his performances against Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer? He looked different in the sense that his punches looked like they were accumulating greater damage and he looked like he was better able to break his opponents down.

Take an advise, don’t believe single statement of that Povetkin’s cocksucker idiot.
Check by yourself, it’s all in the internet...you’ll get “a bit” different picture-)))

Let me give you an advice as well, just check any bigman1968 post about Povetkin ever before you actually believe him.

[jamamb]

if course he finds a way back to his own thread from months ago

[Luis Fernando12]

Thanks for the info my friend!

But I wanted to know the main cause behind why he failed to KO at least one out of his last 2 opponents? Is it because he is declining from aging and isn't able to pull the trigger anymore? Or is it because he is being drug tested too much and losing too much blood from the testing, to the point where he doesn't have as much energy and strength left in the ring anymore? Or is it just a tactical decision involving actively not seeking for the knockout? Or is it because his opponents are only looking to survive? Or is it caused by a combination of those things?

I mean, his performances in his fights against Manuel Charr and Carlos Takam were very different compared to his performances against Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer? He looked different in the sense that his punches looked like they were accumulating greater damage and he looked like he was better able to break his opponents down.

Take an advise, don’t believe single statement of that Povetkin’s cocksucker idiot.
Check by yourself, it’s all in the internet...you’ll get “a bit” different picture-)))

Let me give you an advice as well, just check any bigman1968 post about Povetkin ever before you actually believe him.

I'll keep that in mind!

[bigman1968]

Take an advise, don’t believe single statement of that Povetkin’s cocksucker idiot.
Check by yourself, it’s all in the internet...you’ll get “a bit” different picture-)))

Let me give you an advice as well, just check any bigman1968 post about Povetkin ever before you actually believe him.

I'll keep that in mind!

Don't! Don't read anything written at this forum. Go google and check the sources (news, WBC rulings, court's desicions etc)...it's all in the open

[Luis Fernando12]

Let me give you an advice as well, just check any bigman1968 post about Povetkin ever before you actually believe him.

I'll keep that in mind!

Don't! Don't read anything written at this forum. Go google and check the sources (news, WBC rulings, court's desicions etc)...it's all in the open

Thanks for letting me know!