BoxRec

I think I rate fighters differently than you and chris does.

I just judge fighters by whom they beat and who they lost to and weight them against each other. Don't take into consideration how supposedly good they could have been. To a lesser extent I look at how close the fights were.


title reigns don't really mean a lot to much to me if the competition is not that good. Look at Gomez's opponents in these title defenses. It's not all that impressive. When Gomez stepped up in competition he usually lost.

Count the Weston and Curry fights against him. But he he beat Roberto Duran. Ortiz doesn't have anything quite like that. Ortiz has some losses too.
Gomez had Zarate, and then what?
Trinidad is not even in his league.
He proved that he was not that far behind Leonard and Hearns. He Cervantes. He beat Palomino.

Gomez beat pintor, laporte and davila.

Well OK. Benitez beat Hope, Santos, Shields, and Curry.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019, 11:37 I think I rate fighters differently than you and chris does.

I just judge fighters by whom they beat and who they lost to and weight them against each other. Don't take into consideration how supposedly good they could have been. To a lesser extent I look at how close the fights were.


title reigns don't really mean a lot to much to me if the competition is not that good. Look at Gomez's opponents in these title defenses. It's not all that impressive. When Gomez stepped up in competition he usually lost.

Count the Weston and Curry fights against him. But he he beat Roberto Duran. Ortiz doesn't have anything quite like that. Ortiz has some losses too.
Gomez had Zarate, and then what?
Trinidad is not even in his league.
He proved that he was not that far behind Leonard and Hearns. He Cervantes. He beat Palomino.

As I said before I really like Benitez. I don’t even count the Curry and Weston fights against him. Weston was a top fighter and Curry became a champion. I just wish he had been better prepared when the big opportunity surfaced. I really feel he could have beaten Leonard. The Hearns fight was close. If you judge fighters by who they beat/lost to Wilfred’s resume after Tommy doesn’t bode well. I know he was shot by then but Gomez and Trinidad didn’t have REALLY bad loses. Meaning who is this guy type. Gomez had Layne but he was a no.1 contender I think. Trinidad lost to Hopkins, Wright and Jones all three (Wright borderlines) are hall of farmers. I would like to give it to Benitez because I never really liked Gomez. But Tito was a favorite. But Benitez falls just short for me.

I do count the Weston fights and the first Curry fight against him; I just thing what he did do far outweighed the negatives. He lost to Leonard because Leonard was better than him. (I don't really care about the crybaby excuses). However, he was competitive with Leonard. He was competitive with Hearns. He beat Duran. Benitez proved he could compete with anyone.

His prime was almost as long as Gomez's. I think people think it was short than it was because he was only about 23 when it ended. If his prime was from when he was 24-30 (which is much more normal) people would be all hung up on what might have been. What difference does it make that he did it from 17-23?

Trinidad is vastly overrated. His big win, he didn't deserve against De La Hoya. and it was a terrible fight in which he didn't perform well.
He lost almost every round against Hopkins and Wright. He was completely outclassed.

In a nutshell, I think Benitez was arguably better than Ortiz and Gomez. He was much better than Trinidad.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019, 15:51 Well OK. Benitez beat Hope, Santos, Shields, and Curry.

I rate benitez over Gomez. You posed a question and I answered it. And that response is absurd. You rate Carlos Santos with those guys? Cmon

Well you brought up Davila as win for Gomez.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 16:09 Well you brought up Davila as win for Gomez.

Yeah, he was much more accomplished than Santos.

I have zero recollection of this guy. I looked him up and I see why.

Were you thinking of Daniel?

I just don't remember Davila at all. Don't see why this win means anything for Gomez.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 10:46 I just don't remember Davila at all. Don't see why this win means anything for Gomez.

Really? That's surprising. He was on network TV all the time. Great story chasing the belts. Most had him beating pintor. All time war with duarte. Finally won the belt and his opponent died. I think a movie on him would be great. Much more known and accomplished than Carlos Santos.

MikeInOz wrote: ↑29 Jan 2018, 01:21 That's an outrageous smear. When has Australia ever done that, apart from with Phar Lap, Russell Crowe, Split Enz, lamingtons, Rob Whittaker, Rebecca Gibney, James Tamou, Keith Urban, Jane Campion, James Te Huna, Dragon, Jenny Morris, John Clarke and pavlova?

Whittaker considers himself as an Aussie, was born to an Aussie dad, uses an Australian passport and lived in NZ for a whole month because his mother wanted to have him at home. He’s pretty bloody Aussie.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 13:02 Really? That's surprising. He was on network TV all the time. Great story chasing the belts. Most had him beating pintor. All time war with duarte. Finally won the belt and his opponent died. I think a movie on him would be great. Much more known and accomplished than Carlos Santos.

Yeah, Davila was a really good fighter. Really nice style too.

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 14:16 Yeah, Davila was a really good fighter. Really nice style too.

Yeah, real good fighter. He ran Lora solid at the end of his career. Just a hair below the top guys if an excellent era. I've never seen his fight with Martinez.