How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?

[Enlightened-One]

How the hell has this thread managed to receive 75 replies and more than 600 views?

It’s important to note that the lunatic who created this thread actually had the sheer audacity to make the following utterly preposterous claim:

How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin…

FFS!

I’m guessing that if x2x’s theory was true, all fighters would enter the ring looking like this, since having a lot of hair would act as a fúckíng “cushion protector” for the entirety of your head:

[happyNY18]

How the hell has this thread managed to receive 75 replies and more than 600 views?

It’s important to note that the lunatic who created this thread actually had the sheer audacity to make the following utterly preposterous claim:

How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin…

FFS!

I’m guessing that if x2x’s theory was true, all fighters would enter the ring looking like this, since having a lot of hair would act as a fúckíng “cushion protector” for the entirety of your head:

A beard can act as a cushion - hence why long beards are banned. Learn the rules before posting please fergus, you ignoramus.

[Enlightened-One]

How the hell has this thread managed to receive 75 replies and more than 600 views?

It’s important to note that the lunatic who created this thread actually had the sheer audacity to make the following utterly preposterous claim:

How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin…

FFS!

I’m guessing that if x2x’s theory was true, all fighters would enter the ring looking like this, since having a lot of hair would act as a fúckíng “cushion protector” for the entirety of your head:

A beard can act as a cushion - hence why long beards are banned. Learn the rules before posting please fergus, you ignoramus.

What do all these fighters have in common?

Lamont Peterson, David Haye, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Conor McGregor, Gerald Washington, Deontay Wilder, Immanuel Aleem, Alfredo Angulo, Artur Beterbiev, Dominic Brazeale, Adrien Broner, Marcus Browne, Chad Dawson, Felix Diaz, Andre Dirrell, Omar Douglas, Andrzej Fonfara, Stephen Fulton, Danny Garcia, Roberto Garcia, David Grayton, Fernando Guerrero, Robert Guerrero, Julius Jackson, Danny Jacobs, Travis Kauffman, Amir Khan, Phil Lo Greco, Josesito Lopez, J’Leon Love, Paul Mallignagi, Shannon Briggs, Charles Martin, Victor Ortiz, Caleb Plant, Darwin Price, Edwin Rodriguez, Gary Russell Jr., Maciej Sulecki, Antonio Tarver, Austin Trout, Jorge Linares, Canelo Alvarez, Jesus Rojas, Sadam Ali, David Lemieux, Eddie Gomez, Giberto Ramirez, Alex Saucedo, Andy Ruiz Jr. Bryant Jennings, Christopher Diaz, Jesse Hart, Jose Pedraza, Jose Ramirez, Manny Pacquiao, Mike Reed, Ray Beltran, Steve Nelson, Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko, Trevor McCumby, Victor Postol, Ola Afolobi, Johnathon Banks, Mike Perez, Sullivan Barrera, Vaughn Alexander, Curtis Stevens, George Arias, Andy Lee, Demond Nicholson, Artur Beterbiev, Erik Bazinyan, Sebastian Bouchard, Lucian Bute etc.

I could probably put together a list of another 100+ fighters that share similar traits, but the point has clearly been made.

[happyNY18]

How the hell has this thread managed to receive 75 replies and more than 600 views?

It’s important to note that the lunatic who created this thread actually had the sheer audacity to make the following utterly preposterous claim:

FFS!

I’m guessing that if x2x’s theory was true, all fighters would enter the ring looking like this, since having a lot of hair would act as a fúckíng “cushion protector” for the entirety of your head:

A beard can act as a cushion - hence why long beards are banned. Learn the rules before posting please fergus, you ignoramus.

What do all these fighters have in common?

Lamont Peterson, David Haye, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Conor McGregor, Gerald Washington, Deontay Wilder, Immanuel Aleem, Alfredo Angulo, Artur Beterbiev, Dominic Brazeale, Adrien Broner, Marcus Browne, Chad Dawson, Felix Diaz, Andre Dirrell, Omar Douglas, Andrzej Fonfara, Stephen Fulton, Danny Garcia, Roberto Garcia, David Grayton, Fernando Guerrero, Robert Guerrero, Julius Jackson, Danny Jacobs, Travis Kauffman, Amir Khan, Phil Lo Greco, Josesito Lopez, J’Leon Love, Paul Mallignagi, Shannon Briggs, Charles Martin, Victor Ortiz, Caleb Plant, Darwin Price, Edwin Rodriguez, Gary Russell Jr., Maciej Sulecki, Antonio Tarver, Austin Trout, Jorge Linares, Canelo Alvarez, Jesus Rojas, Sadam Ali, David Lemieux, Eddie Gomez, Giberto Ramirez, Alex Saucedo, Andy Ruiz Jr. Bryant Jennings, Christopher Diaz, Jesse Hart, Jose Pedraza, Jose Ramirez, Manny Pacquiao, Mike Reed, Ray Beltran, Steve Nelson, Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko, Trevor McCumby, Victor Postol, Ola Afolobi, Johnathon Banks, Mike Perez, Sullivan Barrera, Vaughn Alexander, Curtis Stevens, George Arias, Andy Lee, Demond Nicholson, Artur Beterbiev, Erik Bazinyan, Sebastian Bouchard, Lucian Bute etc.

Hmmmm..... I'm going to say: they all have had to trim their facial hair down in compliance with the rules of boxing that you seem blissfully unaware of?

Am i right? Probably.

[Enlightened-One]

A beard can act as a cushion - hence why long beards are banned. Learn the rules before posting please fergus, you ignoramus.

What do all these fighters have in common?

Lamont Peterson, David Haye, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Conor McGregor, Gerald Washington, Deontay Wilder, Immanuel Aleem, Alfredo Angulo, Artur Beterbiev, Dominic Brazeale, Adrien Broner, Marcus Browne, Chad Dawson, Felix Diaz, Andre Dirrell, Omar Douglas, Andrzej Fonfara, Stephen Fulton, Danny Garcia, Roberto Garcia, David Grayton, Fernando Guerrero, Robert Guerrero, Julius Jackson, Danny Jacobs, Travis Kauffman, Amir Khan, Phil Lo Greco, Josesito Lopez, J’Leon Love, Paul Mallignagi, Shannon Briggs, Charles Martin, Victor Ortiz, Caleb Plant, Darwin Price, Edwin Rodriguez, Gary Russell Jr., Maciej Sulecki, Antonio Tarver, Austin Trout, Jorge Linares, Canelo Alvarez, Jesus Rojas, Sadam Ali, David Lemieux, Eddie Gomez, Giberto Ramirez, Alex Saucedo, Andy Ruiz Jr. Bryant Jennings, Christopher Diaz, Jesse Hart, Jose Pedraza, Jose Ramirez, Manny Pacquiao, Mike Reed, Ray Beltran, Steve Nelson, Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko, Trevor McCumby, Victor Postol, Ola Afolobi, Johnathon Banks, Mike Perez, Sullivan Barrera, Vaughn Alexander, Curtis Stevens, George Arias, Andy Lee, Demond Nicholson, Artur Beterbiev, Erik Bazinyan, Sebastian Bouchard, Lucian Bute etc.

Hmmmm..... I'm going to say: they all have had to trim their facial hair down in compliance with the rules of boxing that you seem blissfully unaware of?

Am i right? Probably.

[happyNY18]

What do all these fighters have in common?

Lamont Peterson, David Haye, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Conor McGregor, Gerald Washington, Deontay Wilder, Immanuel Aleem, Alfredo Angulo, Artur Beterbiev, Dominic Brazeale, Adrien Broner, Marcus Browne, Chad Dawson, Felix Diaz, Andre Dirrell, Omar Douglas, Andrzej Fonfara, Stephen Fulton, Danny Garcia, Roberto Garcia, David Grayton, Fernando Guerrero, Robert Guerrero, Julius Jackson, Danny Jacobs, Travis Kauffman, Amir Khan, Phil Lo Greco, Josesito Lopez, J’Leon Love, Paul Mallignagi, Shannon Briggs, Charles Martin, Victor Ortiz, Caleb Plant, Darwin Price, Edwin Rodriguez, Gary Russell Jr., Maciej Sulecki, Antonio Tarver, Austin Trout, Jorge Linares, Canelo Alvarez, Jesus Rojas, Sadam Ali, David Lemieux, Eddie Gomez, Giberto Ramirez, Alex Saucedo, Andy Ruiz Jr. Bryant Jennings, Christopher Diaz, Jesse Hart, Jose Pedraza, Jose Ramirez, Manny Pacquiao, Mike Reed, Ray Beltran, Steve Nelson, Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko, Trevor McCumby, Victor Postol, Ola Afolobi, Johnathon Banks, Mike Perez, Sullivan Barrera, Vaughn Alexander, Curtis Stevens, George Arias, Andy Lee, Demond Nicholson, Artur Beterbiev, Erik Bazinyan, Sebastian Bouchard, Lucian Bute etc.

Hmmmm..... I'm going to say: they all have had to trim their facial hair down in compliance with the rules of boxing that you seem blissfully unaware of?

Am i right? Probably.

Link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... isora.html


Spoiler: he was indeed ordered to trim his beard by the comission - as per the rules boxing.

Would you like to keep going? You are factually wrong - that must really grate you fergus.

[Enlightened-One]

Hmmmm..... I'm going to say: they all have had to trim their facial hair down in compliance with the rules of boxing that you seem blissfully unaware of?

Am i right? Probably.

Link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... isora.html


Spoiler: he was indeed ordered to trim his beard by the comission - as per the rules boxing.

Would you like to keep going? You are factually wrong - that must really grate you fergus.

I’ve listed fighters that compete in the US that have all worn beards of varying lengths for their fights and have even supplied photos of a few of them (at the time of their bouts) having longer beards than the one worn by Deontay Wilder when he KO’d Luis Ortiz. I can supply many more.

What more do you want?

The article that you supplied relates to BBBofC rules, which I'm not sure still applies to British bouts (as per Tony Bellew's photo below) and is almost certainly not those applicable to fights staged on US shores.

From what I’ve read, Fwānk Warren simply lodged a complaint with the BBBofC about Tyson Fury’s beard and they chose (at their discretion) to uphold it. The same promoter also complained to the BBBofC about Jeff Lacy’s beard for the Joe Calzaghe fight.

However, we’ve recently seen Danny Williams, Tony Bellew and David Haye all supporting big bushy beards for some of their bouts staged on British soil.

Indeed, there is actually no mention of “beard” or “facial hair” in the rules accessible via the BBBofC website. If the rule does actually exist in some sort of obscure challenging to access document, the BBBofC clearly only ever applies it at their sole discretion and only when a complaint has been filed.

Either way, it doesn't affect any of the aforementioned fighters that compete on US soil.

[tigermoth87]

What do all these fighters have in common?

Lamont Peterson, David Haye, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Conor McGregor, Gerald Washington, Deontay Wilder, Immanuel Aleem, Alfredo Angulo, Artur Beterbiev, Dominic Brazeale, Adrien Broner, Marcus Browne, Chad Dawson, Felix Diaz, Andre Dirrell, Omar Douglas, Andrzej Fonfara, Stephen Fulton, Danny Garcia, Roberto Garcia, David Grayton, Fernando Guerrero, Robert Guerrero, Julius Jackson, Danny Jacobs, Travis Kauffman, Amir Khan, Phil Lo Greco, Josesito Lopez, J’Leon Love, Paul Mallignagi, Shannon Briggs, Charles Martin, Victor Ortiz, Caleb Plant, Darwin Price, Edwin Rodriguez, Gary Russell Jr., Maciej Sulecki, Antonio Tarver, Austin Trout, Jorge Linares, Canelo Alvarez, Jesus Rojas, Sadam Ali, David Lemieux, Eddie Gomez, Giberto Ramirez, Alex Saucedo, Andy Ruiz Jr. Bryant Jennings, Christopher Diaz, Jesse Hart, Jose Pedraza, Jose Ramirez, Manny Pacquiao, Mike Reed, Ray Beltran, Steve Nelson, Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko, Trevor McCumby, Victor Postol, Ola Afolobi, Johnathon Banks, Mike Perez, Sullivan Barrera, Vaughn Alexander, Curtis Stevens, George Arias, Andy Lee, Demond Nicholson, Artur Beterbiev, Erik Bazinyan, Sebastian Bouchard, Lucian Bute etc.

Hmmmm..... I'm going to say: they all have had to trim their facial hair down in compliance with the rules of boxing that you seem blissfully unaware of?

Am i right? Probably.

You've proved the OP correct. In the final pic Briner is clearly gesturing to his beard to brag about using it as a shield.

[Enlightened-One]

Hmmmm..... I'm going to say: they all have had to trim their facial hair down in compliance with the rules of boxing that you seem blissfully unaware of?

Am i right? Probably.

You've proved the OP correct. In the final pic Briner is clearly gesturing to his beard to brag about using it as a shield.

It's Curtis Stevens.

[happyNY18]

Link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... isora.html


Spoiler: he was indeed ordered to trim his beard by the comission - as per the rules boxing.

Would you like to keep going? You are factually wrong - that must really grate you fergus.

I’ve listed fighters that compete in the US that have all worn beards of varying lengths for their fights and have even supplied photos of a few of them (at the time of their bouts) having longer beards than the one worn by Deontay Wilder when he KO’d Luis Ortiz. I can supply many more.

What more do you want?

The article that you supplied relates to BBBofC rules, which I'm not sure still applies to British bouts (as per Tony Bellew's photo below) and is almost certainly not those applicable to fights staged on US shores.

From what I’ve read, Fwānk Warren simply lodged a complaint with the BBBofC about Tyson Fury’s beard and they chose (at their discretion) to uphold it. The same promoter also complained to the BBBofC about Jeff Lacy’s beard for the Joe Calzaghe fight.

However, we’ve recently seen Danny Williams, Tony Bellew and David Haye all supporting big bushy beards for some of their bouts staged on British soil.

Indeed, there is actually no mention of “beard” or “facial hair” in the rules accessible via the BBBofC website. If the rule does actually exist in some sort of obscure challenging to access document, the BBBofC clearly only ever applies it at their sole discretion and only when a complaint has been filed.

Either way, it doesn't affect any of the aforementioned fighters that compete on US soil.

Go look up the rules and stop making a fool of yourself. The rule may not be as strictly enforced as it should be, but a heavy beard almost certainly gives a degree of cushioning to punches. To what extent? Well the difference in gloves from lighter weights to heavier classes is 2 ounces of extra padding. That's not alot of weight. Having a huge fluffy viking beard could certainly act as padding to give the chin a little more protection. You don't get this, because you're clueless. Always have been fergus.

[Datsue]

He was also exhaling a lot, all that extra air around his head was cushioning his head getting bounced around.

I think there should be an investigation.

[Enlightened-One]

Go look up the rules and stop making a fool of yourself. The rule may not be as strictly enforced as it should be, but a heavy beard almost certainly gives a degree of cushioning to punches. To what extent? Well the difference in gloves from lighter weights to heavier classes is 2 ounces of extra padding. That's not alot of weight. Having a huge fluffy viking beard could certainly act as padding to give the chin a little more protection. You don't get this, because you're clueless.

You’re telling me I’m “clueless”, but you haven’t provided any evidence of the existence of rules and regulations against beards being worn by those boxers that compete in the US.

Even if you were capable of supplying proof of the various athletic commissions and governing bodies having rules forbidding boxers wearing beards, which you're clearly unable to do, they definitely aren’t being enforced. So even if those regulations existed, they are utterly meaningless in the context of the real-world and should, therefore, be ignored.

In fact, the best you could do was cite one solitary isolated incident that took place under British BBBofC jurisdiction, but the alleged “rule” doesn’t seem to be applied there either, since all that happened was a complaint filed by a promoter was simply upheld. Since then, lots of British fighters have competed on UK soil wearing thick beards... and I've even supplied you with numerous examples.

The only thing you’ve really achieved was to make a claim that you cannot substantiate, since what you've stated isn’t true, so you have resorted to insults as your sole means to continue the debate. In fact, you even refused to comment on any of the examples I have supplied, because you surely realise that doing so would inevitably result in you conceding being wrong!

In stark contrast, I have named dozens of fighters that wear beards that compete in America and have even provided photos to prove that their facial hair was longer than Wilder's was when he fought Luis Ortiz.

I’ve said the following before to another forum member and I’ll say the very same thing again to you…

Either grow a beard or wear a fake one and punch yourself repeatedly in the face with really powerful blows to measure the pain.

Then remove the beard and punch yourself again in the same vein as the previous test to compare any difference in the amount of pain being felt.

I think to adopt a scientifically correct approach, you should also perform a street survey and ask the people passing by to punch you repeatedly really hard, with or without the beard, to see if the results are consistent.

When you've performed those tests, please disclose them to the forum so we can laugh at your utterly ridiculous opinions!

[Ilya Muromets]

You’re telling me I’m “clueless”, but you haven’t provided any evidence of the existence of rules and regulations against beards being worn by those boxers that compete in the US.

Even if you were capable of supplying proof of the various athletic commissions and governing bodies having rules forbidding boxers wearing beards, which you're clearly unable to do, they definitely aren’t being enforced. So even if those regulations existed, they are utterly meaningless in the context of the real-world and should, therefore, be ignored....

I don't know how to find the Rules of Boxing, do you? There are, however, many references to beards being illegal and indeed they always were until the last few years and that only in the USA and UK as far as I know.

Google "beards are illegal in boxing":

https://www.google.com/search?q=beards% ... n%20boxing

[happyNY18]

You’re telling me I’m “clueless”, but you haven’t provided any evidence of the existence of rules and regulations against beards being worn by those boxers that compete in the US.

Even if you were capable of supplying proof of the various athletic commissions and governing bodies having rules forbidding boxers wearing beards, which you're clearly unable to do, they definitely aren’t being enforced. So even if those regulations existed, they are utterly meaningless in the context of the real-world and should, therefore, be ignored....

I don't know how to find the Rules of Boxing, do you? There are, however, many references to beards being illegal and indeed they always were until the last few years and that only in the USA and UK as far as I know.

Google "beards are illegal in boxing":

https://www.google.com/search?q=beards% ... n%20boxing

The rules vary depending on the body you box under. Amatuers needed to be shaven. The bbboc seem to use discretion such as in the cases of Lacy & Fury. The Nevada Sate AC is similar that if the officials think its a problem they can order it to be trimmed.

The WBF has it written their official rules that bears can't be longer than 3/4 of an inch or older than 48 hours growth. The other orgs will likely have some kind of a rule on it.

[Enlightened-One]

You’re telling me I’m “clueless”, but you haven’t provided any evidence of the existence of rules and regulations against beards being worn by those boxers that compete in the US.

Even if you were capable of supplying proof of the various athletic commissions and governing bodies having rules forbidding boxers wearing beards, which you're clearly unable to do, they definitely aren’t being enforced. So even if those regulations existed, they are utterly meaningless in the context of the real-world and should, therefore, be ignored....

I don't know how to find the Rules of Boxing, do you? There are, however, many references to beards being illegal and indeed they always were until the last few years and that only in the USA and UK as far as I know.

Google "beards are illegal in boxing":

https://www.google.com/search?q=beards% ... n%20boxing

There are "flat earth" conspiracy theorists and I'm sure if you Googled that term, that search engine would retrieve results, but that doesn't mean that any of the links provided contain reliable evidence.

I can't find any evidence of these so-calles rules and nor can anyone arguing against me. People believe they exist but they can't quote them.

I've already answered this point and you even quoted my words...

A stipulation that has been written down somewhere is merely random irrational nonsense if the regulation itself isn't being enforced.

A "rule" has to be measurable, monitored, enforced and punishment delivered to those that break this stipulation, in order for it to carry any meaning in the real-world.

It's far too easy to find examples of fighters competing with beards for anyone to honestly lay claim that these men are guilty of cheating and committing wrongdoing.

Not one single person has even attempted to challenge any of the names I listed, the examples I provided, the points I've made or commented on the photos I supplied in this thread.

Luis Orriz could have entered the ring against Deontay Wilder wearing a ZZ Top beard and I don't really think that anyone would give a damn, barring a small minority of BoxRec forum members!

[Ilya Muromets]

You’re telling me I’m “clueless”, but you haven’t provided any evidence of the existence of rules and regulations against beards being worn by those boxers that compete in the US.

Even if you were capable of supplying proof of the various athletic commissions and governing bodies having rules forbidding boxers wearing beards, which you're clearly unable to do, they definitely aren’t being enforced. So even if those regulations existed, they are utterly meaningless in the context of the real-world and should, therefore, be ignored....

I don't know how to find the Rules of Boxing, do you? There are, however, many references to beards being illegal and indeed they always were until the last few years and that only in the USA and UK as far as I know.

Google "beards are illegal in boxing":

https://www.google.com/search?q=beards% ... n%20boxing

The rules vary depending on the body you box under. Amatuers needed to be shaven. The bbboc seem to use discretion such as in the cases of Lacy & Fury. The Nevada Sate AC is similar that if the officials think its a problem they can order it to be trimmed.

The WBF has it written their official rules that bears can't be longer than 3/4 of an inch or older than 48 hours growth. The other orgs will likely have some kind of a rule on it.

And then there is the historical practice and tradition of boxing ever since it was established as a sport with more or less standardized rules. Can you find a picture of any boxer, in any prior time, going all the way back to the 1700's, who was allowed to fight with a beard?



18th century (bare knuckle) boxing champion Daniel Mendoza

[Enlightened-One]

I don't know how to find the Rules of Boxing, do you? There are, however, many references to beards being illegal and indeed they always were until the last few years and that only in the USA and UK as far as I know.

Google "beards are illegal in boxing":

https://www.google.com/search?q=beards% ... n%20boxing

The rules vary depending on the body you box under. Amatuers needed to be shaven. The bbboc seem to use discretion such as in the cases of Lacy & Fury. The Nevada Sate AC is similar that if the officials think its a problem they can order it to be trimmed.

The WBF has it written their official rules that bears can't be longer than 3/4 of an inch or older than 48 hours growth. The other orgs will likely have some kind of a rule on it.

And then there is the historical practice and tradition of boxing ever since it was established as a sport with more or less standardized rules. Can you find a picture of any boxer, in any prior time, going all the way back to the 1700's, who was allowed to fight with a beard?



18th century (bare knuckle) boxing champion Daniel Mendoza

That's a really random response. Come on, you can surely do better than that, can't you?

[Ilya Muromets]

"That's a really random response. Come on, you can surely do better than that, can't you?"

How is my citing the history and tradition of boxing a "random response"? But your response to my response is a "random response"!

:-)

(No smilies!)

[gilgamesh]

The Commission didn't make Wilder shave his beard. If it were against the rules somebody would've said so. They didn't. That's the end of it.

[armageto]

The Commission didn't make Wilder shave his beard. If it were against the rules somebody would've said so. They didn't. That's the end of it.

Don't you dare use common sense. Not here sir, and not now........

[gilgamesh]

The Commission didn't make Wilder shave his beard. If it were against the rules somebody would've said so. They didn't. That's the end of it.

Don't you dare use common sense. Not here sir, and not now........

You're right. What was I thinking?

[armageto]

The Commission didn't make Wilder shave his beard. If it were against the rules somebody would've said so. They didn't. That's the end of it.

Don't you dare use common sense. Not here sir, and not now........

You're right. What was I thinking?

People give Ricky proof and examples, but yet we are still wrong. The beard Wilder had Sat..night offered ZERO protection. People have to be realistic when a fighter they dislike wins. I never liked Floyd, or the style he used in the second half of his career, but I can respect/give him credit as a fighter.

[Counter-puncher]

How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin. Since when are beards allowed in boxing?

Either grow a beard or wear a fake one and punch yourself repeatedly in the face with really powerful blows to measure the pain.

Then remove the beard and punch yourself again in the same vein as the previous test to compare any difference in the amount of pain being felt.

I think to adopt a scientifically correct approach, you should also perform a street survey and ask the people passing by to punch you repeatedly really hard, with or without the beard, to see if the results are consistent.

EO just made me lol

EO made a funny!

[Badhusker]

Tyson Fury wishes he had a beard...

[asdfjkl]

Can you imagine how good Povetkin, AJ, Klitschko and Tyson actually really are!