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ProMayhem wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 07:13 Has to be the Whyte/Browne winner! Both hard hitting but can see wilder landing a right on them and getting the stoppage

That has some appeal. But provided Joshua gets past Parker without getting mangled I really think Wilder-Joshua should be the priority.

Takam or Pov

Povetkin would be a good match up but considering Wilder's inability to fight game fighters, who knows if it'll happen. Although he impressed me with taking on Ortiz. But then again, Ortiz' age might have been where Wilder's confidence came from. I think Povetkin is a little more game and a little more dangerous. But then again Povetkin is only 6 foot 2 and lighter than Ortiz so maybe from a simply physical stand point Ortiz is more dangerous.

Honestly if the fight with Joshua doesn't happen I believe there's gonna be a rematch between Wilder-Ortiz. Either Ortiz will let himself go after this last fight or he will come in stronger for the second match. So it'll end like a Bermane Stiverne II situation or Ortiz could use his superior ring IQ and learn from the last fight and up the risks the second time around.

I mean if Joshua and Wilder can't fight, who else can Deontay Wilder make money with besides Ortiz especially since the first fight was so interesting. He might fight Ortiz again or perhaps Parker?

x2x wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 00:00

Evander wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 21:25 Wilder v Povetkin
It's a perfect fight at this point in terms of selling it.
Wilder coming off a rough and tumble outing with Ortiz, Povetkin been around forever and getting a final shot.
Potential KO and drama along the way why not ?

Har har! Wilder's handlers won't let him even get on the same continent with Povetkin. They know what will happen and they're saving their cash cow for a big Joshua payday. The US tv talking heads and sports writers are forbidden to even say "the P word"!

Um...this fight was scheduled already (PED interuptus) so who won't let who?

jamamb wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 22:08

bbjc wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 21:45 Uzo ugunoh. Amazed no one really mentions him and yet I bet the top contenders would much rather avoid him. Okay breazeale beat him. But let's remember he hurt breazeale quicker than Joshua did. Had him all over the place at times. Breazeale ended up outlasting him mainly because he's a big lumbering guy. But not everyone will get so lucky in that top twenty. Uzo needs development fights a bit more experience etc. But defo see him as a danger man. Can punch. Can also put his punches together well. Looks like he's got pacing issues. Not the best durability. Still reckon he could have a say in it all giving time, proper management. He's more chance of beating the top 5 guys than a lot of other names mentioned imo.

im not really amazed hardly anyone mentions him. he usually fights on low profile shows, has only fought one notable opponent, and lost that by stoppage

Pretty sure boxing fans are the most fickle fans in the world. People calling for breazeale to fight wilder which would actually be a decent fight. But let's be honest ugo had breazeale all over the place. Had him hurt quicker than Joshua did. To breazeales credit he held on and got the win but on another day could have easily been stopped a lot quicker than he was v Joshua....the guy everyone's got at the top of their list.

Wilder and Joshua could have easily been stopped by stoppage themselves. Its what happens in the heavyweight division. Wouldn't go writing off anyone over a stoppage especially when they we,re very near to getting the stoppage themselves. Ugo is a more dangerous opponent than half the people listed. Big puncher...can box a bit. Good speed. Pretty big guy. Not many will fancy that fight. Needs to get back in a boxing ring sharpish. Ugo,s got tools that will give both wilder and Joshua a much harder nights work than most of them. Its on him tho...needs to fight his way back into contention. Reckon breazeale was a bad match up for him due to his sheer size/weight. He lands clean/well on either Joshua/wilder....it,ll get a reaction.

Povetkin preferably.

Kubrat Pulev!

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:21 Kubrat Pulev!

You love that guy! Why not!

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:23

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:21 Kubrat Pulev!

You love that guy! Why not!

I think he'd be a stylistic nightmare for deontay Wilder. Even worse than Gerald Washington (who schooled Wilder for 5 rounds using his jab before getting stopped). This time though, I doubt Pulev would get stopped as easily. His chin is solid and the fact that he was KO'ed by Wladimir Klitschko once is more a testament to Wlad's power than Kubrat Pulev's lack of durability.

I think Pulev would out-box Wilder and last the distance if this fight were to happen within this year.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:30

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:23

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:21 Kubrat Pulev!

You love that guy! Why not!

I think he'd be a stylistic nightmare for deontay Wilder. Even worse than Gerald Washington (who schooled Wilder for 5 rounds using his jab before getting stopped). This time though, I doubt Pulev would get stopped as easily. His chin is solid and the fact that he was KO'ed by Wladimir Klitschko once is more a testament to Wlad's power than Kubrat Pulev's lack of durability.

I think Pulev would out-box Wilder and last the distance if this fight were to happen within this year.

Maybe...although I wouldn't say Washington 'schooled' wilder. Anytime an underdog holds their own, we overinflate the performance. Pulev/Wilder COULD be interesting

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:35

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:30

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:23

You love that guy! Why not!

I think he'd be a stylistic nightmare for deontay Wilder. Even worse than Gerald Washington (who schooled Wilder for 5 rounds using his jab before getting stopped). This time though, I doubt Pulev would get stopped as easily. His chin is solid and the fact that he was KO'ed by Wladimir Klitschko once is more a testament to Wlad's power than Kubrat Pulev's lack of durability.

I think Pulev would out-box Wilder and last the distance if this fight were to happen within this year.

Maybe...although I wouldn't say Washington 'schooled' wilder. Anytime an underdog holds their own, we overinflate the performance. Pulev/Wilder COULD be interesting

Pulev is top 10 HW for years, but he is not capable to defeat any of top 3 HWs. Against Wilder he wouldn't have any chance.

Dillian Whyte purely for the buildup, provided he beats Lucas Browne.

If not then Pulev or Povetkin are both decent fights. Have zero interest in seeing Wilder vs Breazeale.

ValMar wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 13:13

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:35

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:30

I think he'd be a stylistic nightmare for deontay Wilder. Even worse than Gerald Washington (who schooled Wilder for 5 rounds using his jab before getting stopped). This time though, I doubt Pulev would get stopped as easily. His chin is solid and the fact that he was KO'ed by Wladimir Klitschko once is more a testament to Wlad's power than Kubrat Pulev's lack of durability.

I think Pulev would out-box Wilder and last the distance if this fight were to happen within this year.

Maybe...although I wouldn't say Washington 'schooled' wilder. Anytime an underdog holds their own, we overinflate the performance. Pulev/Wilder COULD be interesting

Pulev is top 10 HW for years, but he is not capable to defeat any of top 3 HWs. Against Wilder he wouldn't have any chance.

I think Pulev might have the best jab in the division. I'd definitely expect him to win rounds against Wilder.

That said, Wilder is a fighter you could win every round against, and still get flattened. 36 minutes is a heck of a long time to avoid that right hand, and I don't think Pulev has the power to stop Wilder.

Whoever mentioned Ugonoh, he's a fighter who looks like he could potentially KO Wilder today, then lose to a durable journeyman tomorrow.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:35

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:30

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:23

You love that guy! Why not!

I think he'd be a stylistic nightmare for deontay Wilder. Even worse than Gerald Washington (who schooled Wilder for 5 rounds using his jab before getting stopped). This time though, I doubt Pulev would get stopped as easily. His chin is solid and the fact that he was KO'ed by Wladimir Klitschko once is more a testament to Wlad's power than Kubrat Pulev's lack of durability.

I think Pulev would out-box Wilder and last the distance if this fight were to happen within this year.

Maybe...although I wouldn't say Washington 'schooled' wilder. Anytime an underdog holds their own, we overinflate the performance. Pulev/Wilder COULD be interesting

Fair enough!

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 13:58

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:35

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:30

I think he'd be a stylistic nightmare for deontay Wilder. Even worse than Gerald Washington (who schooled Wilder for 5 rounds using his jab before getting stopped). This time though, I doubt Pulev would get stopped as easily. His chin is solid and the fact that he was KO'ed by Wladimir Klitschko once is more a testament to Wlad's power than Kubrat Pulev's lack of durability.

I think Pulev would out-box Wilder and last the distance if this fight were to happen within this year.

Maybe...although I wouldn't say Washington 'schooled' wilder. Anytime an underdog holds their own, we overinflate the performance. Pulev/Wilder COULD be interesting

Fair enough!

Hey btw...what do you think we should make of Ruiz Jr. I think he's an enigma.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 13:46

ValMar wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 13:13

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:35

Maybe...although I wouldn't say Washington 'schooled' wilder. Anytime an underdog holds their own, we overinflate the performance. Pulev/Wilder COULD be interesting

Pulev is top 10 HW for years, but he is not capable to defeat any of top 3 HWs. Against Wilder he wouldn't have any chance.

I think Pulev might have the best jab in the division. I'd definitely expect him to win rounds against Wilder.

That said, Wilder is a fighter you could win every round against, and still get flattened. 36 minutes is a heck of a long time to avoid that right hand, and I don't think Pulev has the power to stop Wilder.

Whoever mentioned Ugonoh, he's a fighter who looks like he could potentially KO Wilder today, then lose to a durable journeyman tomorrow.

Kubrat Pulev doesn't need to stop Wilder. He has enough power to out-box Wilder and force Wilder to respect his power.

And Wilder's power is getting overrated. The fact that he has knocked out a near 40 year old Luis Ortiz (his best opponent till date) that has high blood pressure and isn't allowed to take his medication, isn't evidence that he can KO every opponent with his power. Nor are his knockout wins over his other opponents.

Johan Duhaupas took 11 rounds of flush punches from Wilder and didn't even go down once. That includes Wilder's most powerful right hands.

Deontay Wilder landed everything at Bermane Stiverne in the first fight and still couldn't drop him.

I can assure you right now that there are many guys ranked in the top of the heavyweight division that can take Wilder's punches and not get knocked out. His power isn't going to be enough to KO anybody and everybody.

Someone like Mariusz Wach could take everything Deontay Wilder could possibly dish out for 12 rounds / 36 minutes without even going down once. The same can be said of someone like Andy Ruiz Jr perhaps too. The same may apply to Jarrell Miller and even Derck Chisora. Also Carlos Takam.

There are many guys that can take Wilder's best punches and not get knocked out. It's just that Wilder has been avoiding durable opponents for nearly his whole career so that he can brainwash people into believing he has greater punching power than what he really possesses.

I personally doubt he would KO Kubrat Pulev. And if he failed to even drop Johan Duhaupas after landing everything but the kitchen sink for 11 rounds, then I can see Kubrat Pulev not being any more effected by Wilder's punches.

Let's just hope Wilder steps up in competition and continues to fight against the elite opponents so that he can prove how effective his power really is at the elite level.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 14:00

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 13:58

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 12:35

Maybe...although I wouldn't say Washington 'schooled' wilder. Anytime an underdog holds their own, we overinflate the performance. Pulev/Wilder COULD be interesting

Fair enough!

Hey btw...what do you think we should make of Ruiz Jr. I think he's an enigma.

I like him and his style. He's good for the division and if he's focused, I can definitely see him scoring upsets and even winning titles.

He's probably nearly as good as Alexander Povetkin (or somewhere close to that level). Right now, he might be even better though.

Carlos Takam or Dereck Chisora, both are ranked WBC contenders.

Takam has recently fought Anthony Joshua, would Wilder do better vs the Frenchman?

Chisora would be worth it for the press conference alone.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 14:11

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 14:00

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 13:58

Fair enough!

Hey btw...what do you think we should make of Ruiz Jr. I think he's an enigma.

I like him and his style. He's good for the division and if he's focused, I can definitely see him scoring upsets and even winning titles.

He's probably nearly as good as Alexander Povetkin (or somewhere close to that level). Right now, he might be even better though.

Thanks bro!

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 09:45

x2x wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 00:00

Evander wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 21:25 Wilder v Povetkin
It's a perfect fight at this point in terms of selling it.
Wilder coming off a rough and tumble outing with Ortiz, Povetkin been around forever and getting a final shot.
Potential KO and drama along the way why not ?

Har har! Wilder's handlers won't let him even get on the same continent with Povetkin. They know what will happen and they're saving their cash cow for a big Joshua payday. The US tv talking heads and sports writers are forbidden to even say "the P word"!

Um...this fight was scheduled already (PED interuptus) so who won't let who?

Plenty of discussion on that already. They never had any intention of letting cash cow Wilder in the ring with Povetkin. He never even went to Russia to prep for the fight like fighters always do. Then they trotted out Doc Margaret and her Las Vegas mafia drug test crew to lend cover to the scam with a spurious drug charge, and of course the US sports media picked up the ball and ran with it, as usual - just like - but on a far more important subject - you see them trying to re-start the cold war, if not nuclear WW3, with Big Bad Russia right now - and of course the Party Line is parroted on these silly boxing forums.

x2x wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 15:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 09:45

x2x wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 00:00


Har har! Wilder's handlers won't let him even get on the same continent with Povetkin. They know what will happen and they're saving their cash cow for a big Joshua payday. The US tv talking heads and sports writers are forbidden to even say "the P word"!

Um...this fight was scheduled already (PED interuptus) so who won't let who?

Plenty of discussion on that already. They never had any intention of letting cash cow Wilder in the ring with Povetkin. He never even went to Russia to prep for the fight like fighters always do. Then they trotted out Doc Margaret and her Las Vegas mafia drug test crew to lend cover to the scam with a spurious drug charge, and of course the US sports media picked up the ball and ran with it, as usual - just like - but on a far more important subject - you see them trying to re-start the cold war, if not nuclear WW3, with Big Bad Russia right now - and of course the Party Line is parroted on these silly boxing forums.

Sometimes...I wonder why you read these things at all! lol

bbjc wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 11:42

jamamb wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 22:08

bbjc wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 21:45 Uzo ugunoh. Amazed no one really mentions him and yet I bet the top contenders would much rather avoid him. Okay breazeale beat him. But let's remember he hurt breazeale quicker than Joshua did. Had him all over the place at times. Breazeale ended up outlasting him mainly because he's a big lumbering guy. But not everyone will get so lucky in that top twenty. Uzo needs development fights a bit more experience etc. But defo see him as a danger man. Can punch. Can also put his punches together well. Looks like he's got pacing issues. Not the best durability. Still reckon he could have a say in it all giving time, proper management. He's more chance of beating the top 5 guys than a lot of other names mentioned imo.

im not really amazed hardly anyone mentions him. he usually fights on low profile shows, has only fought one notable opponent, and lost that by stoppage

Pretty sure boxing fans are the most fickle fans in the world. People calling for breazeale to fight wilder which would actually be a decent fight. But let's be honest ugo had breazeale all over the place. Had him hurt quicker than Joshua did. To breazeales credit he held on and got the win but on another day could have easily been stopped a lot quicker than he was v Joshua....the guy everyone's got at the top of their list.

Wilder and Joshua could have easily been stopped by stoppage themselves. Its what happens in the heavyweight division. Wouldn't go writing off anyone over a stoppage especially when they we,re very near to getting the stoppage themselves. Ugo is a more dangerous opponent than half the people listed. Big puncher...can box a bit. Good speed. Pretty big guy. Not many will fancy that fight. Needs to get back in a boxing ring sharpish. Ugo,s got tools that will give both wilder and Joshua a much harder nights work than most of them. Its on him tho...needs to fight his way back into contention. Reckon breazeale was a bad match up for him due to his sheer size/weight. He lands clean/well on either Joshua/wilder....it,ll get a reaction.

lets also be honest, breazeale came back and knocked ugonoh out. part of breazeales game is his ability to overcome adversity, he showed it and ugonoh didnt to the same degree. and of course ugonoh was the first one down and hurt in that fight.

ugonoh really has not much at all that would get ppl wanting him to be the opponent above so many others. hes beaten no one and got ko'd the one time he fought anyone decent. hes not a name and doesnt have much of a folllowing.

as you say, lets be honest

Breazeale did knock him out. He came in at 263 lbs for that fight and outlasted him. But ugo,s punches still had him all over the place even at 263 lbs. Breazeales a big lumbering durable guy. I m still not 100 % sure Joshua and wilder are tho. Almost every time they,be been hit clean...there's been a reaction. Wilder numerous times. Joshua against klitchko and whyte. If ugo hits either of them clean I still say he,ll get a reaction. He,s got the height, the reach, the speed, the power. Its a lot more than a lot of them have. Like say pulev. No power. No speed.

Guy needs to get back in the ring and back in contention. Defo needs more development fights. But he's got more going for him than a lot of these other opponents in potential match ups. Not sure he's durable enough but his style will give Joshua fits.

Its never been about being better than Joshua....the guy that beats him likely won't be. Its certain attributes that will get the job done. Some of them attributes ugo possesses.

bbjc wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 19:27 Breazeale did knock him out. He came in at 263 lbs for that fight and outlasted him. But ugo,s punches still had him all over the place even at 263 lbs. Breazeales a big lumbering durable guy. I m still not 100 % sure Joshua and wilder are tho. Almost every time they,be been hit clean...there's been a reaction. Wilder numerous times. Joshua against klitchko and whyte. If ugo hits either of them clean I still say he,ll get a reaction. He,s got the height, the reach, the speed, the power. Its a lot more than a lot of them have. Like say pulev. No power. No speed.

Guy needs to get back in the ring and back in contention. Defo needs more development fights. But he's got more going for him than a lot of these other opponents in potential match ups. Not sure he's durable enough but his style will give Joshua fits.

Its never been about being better than Joshua....the guy that beats him likely won't be. Its certain attributes that will get the job done. Some of them attributes ugo possesses.

Sort of like, Frazier beat Ali; Norton beat Ali; Foreman destroyed Frazier and Norton, Ali knocks out Foreman....like the old saying...styles make fights

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 15:56

x2x wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 15:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 09:45

Um...this fight was scheduled already (PED interuptus) so who won't let who?

Plenty of discussion on that already. They never had any intention of letting cash cow Wilder in the ring with Povetkin. He never even went to Russia to prep for the fight like fighters always do. Then they trotted out Doc Margaret and her Las Vegas mafia drug test crew to lend cover to the scam with a spurious drug charge, and of course the US sports media picked up the ball and ran with it, as usual - just like - but on a far more important subject - you see them trying to re-start the cold war, if not nuclear WW3, with Big Bad Russia right now - and of course the Party Line is parroted on these silly boxing forums.

Sometimes...I wonder why you read these things at all! lol

Yeah me too. I used to be involved in it, though. It seemed like a good idea at the time.