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SFW wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 05:55

the_doctor wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 02:14

SFW wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 16:53

He has been asking for AJ for multiple years now, and quite obviously hasn't been milking anything seeing as how he's taken far less money than offered time and again. Time to re-think that statement. It must bother you guys that Wilder doesn't play by your rules or give a poo about anything other than fighting for all the belts. He just plain doesn't give a eff. It is JOSHUA's side, the big draw the side that decides who when where, that has held up this fight. Likely for business reasons not fear, but it is on them nonetheless.
They decide everything, hence why it hasn't happened yet.

You're right, Wilder does a lot of talking. Meanwhile Joshua, in his 21-fight career, has had 6 world title fights and two unifications. He's fought six undefeated fighters and a future HoF'er.

Who wins out of Joshua vs Wilder is very much up for debate (I'm not sure myself) but to suggest that Joshua and/or his team fear Wilder based on Wilder talking a good game is very naive.

Not much of a reader are you..

Why would they avoid Wilder on business reasons unless they feared him? It's clearly the biggest fight out there money-wise, to suggest that Joshua's team are avoiding Wilder for any reason suggests that they have some fear of what Wilder can do.

If the fight doesn't happen, it won't be purely because of Joshua/Hearn. Wilder and his team talk a good game over social media but the negotiations happen behind closed doors.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:29

Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:14

bigman1968 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 09:49

In US you can add NFL, NBA, Baseball, NHL and all types of NCAA....all the money/attention goes there!

Good point. Take one or two of the above sports and anything the UK draws pales in comparison.

Hmm no, Manchester United generates well over 800 milion dollars in revenue every year (and growing) and it ain't even the best club in... Manchester! The numbers football generate in the UK are completely from a different planet. Arsenal asks up to a 100 pound a ticket every match and they have 60.000 places in their stadium and play about 25 matches at their own stadium and another 25 at other places every year. Nothing can match up against the UK footballworld.

And how many potential HW boxers play in Manchester U??? I mean 190+cm and 90+kg.
In any NBA/NFL team - at least 15!!!!

No potentially great heavyweight plays any other sport imo.

Being big and athletic doesn’t actually mean all that much. It’s no guarantee of boxing skill at all.
Tennis players have more like for like comparisons with boxers than NFL or NBA players imo.

There’s more potential boxing talent in Tennis than any of the big 3 US sports. Firstly it’s individual, which is a huge factor. Need to have great footwork, going in all directions. Then there’s the incredible hand eye coordination thats required.

Anyway, Wilder needs to stop with the nonsense and realise Parker, a lesser known champion just made more money fighting Joshua than Wilder, the self styled real champ, has done for his last 4 fights.

Wilder would earn ten times more than his last payday if he were to fight Joshua. Joshua is where everything stops in the heavyweight division. He’s the champ and the cash cow.

i always lol a bit when ppl get worked up making excuses for there hw scene

fact is, american hws are who they are. ppl everywhere couldve gone into boxing but didnt, and hence arent boxers. some wouldve been good boxers and some wouldnt have, even if good at some other sports like football or rugby

the greatest american hws werent super sized anyway. maybe ali wouldve been a great point guard lol, or maybe not

I think Joshua summed it up pretty well in the interview last year when he said he will fight Wilder when he feels he is in the position to win, and not before. He said he will not have his career rushed to take that fight. Its obvious he felt the same about fighting Ortiz, or he would have fought him by now, ,Its funny he didn't feel rushed when fighting Wlad, but then Wlad was 41yrs old and off for a year and a half.

Him saying the fight might happen in 2018, 2019, 2020, or even 2021 speaks volumes. He once said Wilder was his biggest challenge at heavyweight, but then recently says he fought Parker because Wilder didn't step up, and Parker was a tougher fight than Wilder anyway.

Public pressure will force the fight, possibly by the end of the year whether he is ready or not. Hearn said after the Wlad fight no one wants to see AJ fight Pulev, and sometimes you have to forget the belts and give the public the fights they want. Then, they lined up the Pulev fight. He may KO Wilder, who knows. Wilder and fans of both worldwide just want to find out who is the best.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 20:00

tiny_acres wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:38

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:29
Hmm no, Manchester United generates well over 800 milion dollars in revenue every year (and growing) and it ain't even the best club in... Manchester! The numbers football generate in the UK are completely from a different planet. Arsenal asks up to a 100 pound a ticket every match and they have 60.000 places in their stadium and play about 25 matches at their own stadium and another 25 at other places every year. Nothing can match up against the UK footballworld.

Dallas cowboys of the NFL who I hate
Generated over 840 million last year in only 16 games.
You lose again

I'm surprised, I've never heard of them and don't even know what sport they do, but congratz on it, I'm quite confident United used to be the richest team in the world when there were still Dutch people over there.

@ never hearing of the Dallas Cowboys, and what sport they are in. Not surprising though.

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 07:53 No potentially great heavyweight plays any other sport imo.

Being big and athletic doesn’t actually mean all that much. It’s no guarantee of boxing skill at all.
Tennis players have more like for like comparisons with boxers than NFL or NBA players imo.

There’s more potential boxing talent in Tennis than any of the big 3 US sports. Firstly it’s individual, which is a huge factor. Need to have great footwork, going in all directions. Then there’s the incredible hand eye coordination thats required.

Anyway, Wilder needs to stop with the nonsense and realise Parker, a lesser known champion just made more money fighting Joshua than Wilder, the self styled real champ, has done for his last 4 fights.

Wilder would earn ten times more than his last payday if he were to fight Joshua. Joshua is where everything stops in the heavyweight division. He’s the champ and the cash cow.

The point is these big fellas choose basketball and American football over boxing early in their lives. Ergo the pipeline of American HW's is dwindling. NO one said they are boxers playing other sports. It's big athletes choosing other sports.

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 10:18

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 07:53 No potentially great heavyweight plays any other sport imo.

Being big and athletic doesn’t actually mean all that much. It’s no guarantee of boxing skill at all.
Tennis players have more like for like comparisons with boxers than NFL or NBA players imo.

There’s more potential boxing talent in Tennis than any of the big 3 US sports. Firstly it’s individual, which is a huge factor. Need to have great footwork, going in all directions. Then there’s the incredible hand eye coordination thats required.

Anyway, Wilder needs to stop with the nonsense and realise Parker, a lesser known champion just made more money fighting Joshua than Wilder, the self styled real champ, has done for his last 4 fights.

Wilder would earn ten times more than his last payday if he were to fight Joshua. Joshua is where everything stops in the heavyweight division. He’s the champ and the cash cow.

The point is these big fellas choose basketball and American football over boxing early in their lives. Ergo the pipeline of American HW's is dwindling. NO one said they are boxers playing other sports. It's big athletes choosing other sports.

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 10:18

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 07:53 No potentially great heavyweight plays any other sport imo.

Being big and athletic doesn’t actually mean all that much. It’s no guarantee of boxing skill at all.
Tennis players have more like for like comparisons with boxers than NFL or NBA players imo.

There’s more potential boxing talent in Tennis than any of the big 3 US sports. Firstly it’s individual, which is a huge factor. Need to have great footwork, going in all directions. Then there’s the incredible hand eye coordination thats required.

Anyway, Wilder needs to stop with the nonsense and realise Parker, a lesser known champion just made more money fighting Joshua than Wilder, the self styled real champ, has done for his last 4 fights.

Wilder would earn ten times more than his last payday if he were to fight Joshua. Joshua is where everything stops in the heavyweight division. He’s the champ and the cash cow.

The point is these big fellas choose basketball and American football over boxing early in their lives. Ergo the pipeline of American HW's is dwindling. NO one said they are boxers playing other sports. It's big athletes choosing other sports.

Indeed, but other countries have sports that swallow up strong, athletic young men too.

Also, the NFL and NBA exsisted in the 60s and 70s yet the US produced a huge amount of top heavyweights during these periods.

keirw wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 14:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 10:18

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 07:53 No potentially great heavyweight plays any other sport imo.

Being big and athletic doesn’t actually mean all that much. It’s no guarantee of boxing skill at all.
Tennis players have more like for like comparisons with boxers than NFL or NBA players imo.

There’s more potential boxing talent in Tennis than any of the big 3 US sports. Firstly it’s individual, which is a huge factor. Need to have great footwork, going in all directions. Then there’s the incredible hand eye coordination thats required.

Anyway, Wilder needs to stop with the nonsense and realise Parker, a lesser known champion just made more money fighting Joshua than Wilder, the self styled real champ, has done for his last 4 fights.

Wilder would earn ten times more than his last payday if he were to fight Joshua. Joshua is where everything stops in the heavyweight division. He’s the champ and the cash cow.

The point is these big fellas choose basketball and American football over boxing early in their lives. Ergo the pipeline of American HW's is dwindling. NO one said they are boxers playing other sports. It's big athletes choosing other sports.

Indeed, but other countries have sports that swallow up strong, athletic young men too.

Also, the NFL and NBA exsisted in the 60s and 70s yet the US produced a huge amount of top heavyweights during these periods.

Those players weren't making 10's of millions per year plus endorsements and profit sharing. End of Case.

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 17:05

keirw wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 14:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 10:18

The point is these big fellas choose basketball and American football over boxing early in their lives. Ergo the pipeline of American HW's is dwindling. NO one said they are boxers playing other sports. It's big athletes choosing other sports.

Indeed, but other countries have sports that swallow up strong, athletic young men too.

Also, the NFL and NBA exsisted in the 60s and 70s yet the US produced a huge amount of top heavyweights during these periods.

Those players weren't making 10's of millions per year plus endorsements and profit sharing. End of Case.

So the majority of talented young American athletes went into boxing rather than the NBA, NFL and MLB in the 60s and 70s?
I doubt that very much.

the_doctor wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 07:10

SFW wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 05:55

the_doctor wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 02:14
You're right, Wilder does a lot of talking. Meanwhile Joshua, in his 21-fight career, has had 6 world title fights and two unifications. He's fought six undefeated fighters and a future HoF'er.

Who wins out of Joshua vs Wilder is very much up for debate (I'm not sure myself) but to suggest that Joshua and/or his team fear Wilder based on Wilder talking a good game is very naive.

Not much of a reader are you..

It's clearly the biggest fight out there money-wise

Agreed , but Wilder is also the only fighter then can demand 40% , so while it makes more money overall a higher percentage goes to the opponent

Guarenteed purses for AJ Takem were....
AJ £10m
Takem £750,000

£10,750,000 overall pot. That’s before PPV and add ons etc....

If AJ fought Wilder with a pot of £10,750,000 and a 60-40 split the purses would be

AJ 6.4m
Wilder £4.3m

Putting everything to one side .

It’s going to be Whyte Wilder. AJ Povetkin.

Surely ??

Wilder isn't going to line Hearn's pockets by fighting Whyte. He has said multiple times he would fight Whyte in a heartbeat if Hearn puts Joshua as a guaranteed next fight. Hearn has repeatedly refused to do this, after PROMISING Wilder at least once now that he will be next, but has to take his word. The first promise was after Wlad. Then he said he needs to step up and beat someone like Ortiz. Now the goalpost is still moving.

Personally I don't really care anymore if they fight. If I were Wilder, I would seriously turn down the fight when it finally gets offered. Say he chased him too long, now that ship has sailed. It sounds crazy but the longer it gets put off, the more leverage Wilder will have. I am almost sick of debating this bullshit.

Wilder line Hearns pockets? Financially it Works both ways. Hearn prepared to pay Wilder $4m to fight Whyte, significantly more than the $1.5m he got for fighting Ortiz.

Assuming AJ Wilder isn’t next, then Whyte is the best fight for him. Makes sense financially and career wise . Come to the U.K. and pick up $4m for fighting Dillian Whyte in front of 20,000 people or pick up a fraction of that money fighting in front of 7,000 people

bigman1968 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 07:38

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:29

Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:14 Good point. Take one or two of the above sports and anything the UK draws pales in comparison.

Hmm no, Manchester United generates well over 800 milion dollars in revenue every year (and growing) and it ain't even the best club in... Manchester! The numbers football generate in the UK are completely from a different planet. Arsenal asks up to a 100 pound a ticket every match and they have 60.000 places in their stadium and play about 25 matches at their own stadium and another 25 at other places every year. Nothing can match up against the UK footballworld.

And how many potential HW boxers play in Manchester U??? I mean 190+cm and 90+kg.
In any NBA/NFL team - at least 15!!!!

I think 0, perhaps some kickboxers, they are footballers you know?

bigman1968 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 07:38

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:29

Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:14

Good point. Take one or two of the above sports and anything the UK draws pales in comparison.

Hmm no, Manchester United generates well over 800 milion dollars in revenue every year (and growing) and it ain't even the best club in... Manchester! The numbers football generate in the UK are completely from a different planet. Arsenal asks up to a 100 pound a ticket every match and they have 60.000 places in their stadium and play about 25 matches at their own stadium and another 25 at other places every year. Nothing can match up against the UK footballworld.

And how many potential HW boxers play in Manchester U??? I mean 190+cm and 90+kg.
In any NBA/NFL team - at least 15!!!!

We have Rugby and Rugby league all of which have guys that big.
However it’s a moot point because as it stands the U.K. has pretty much churned out a consistent amount of HWs over the years where the US has declined .

There has been some research into the decline of US Hw boxers. One of the reasons mooted is the reduction in participation rate from young black Americans. Traditionally from poorer socio-economic backgrounds, this is seen as a possible result of an increase in educational opportunities or an increase in the numbers going into other American sports such as American Football, Basketball and Baseball, all of which require a similar stature to HW boxers.

It doesn’t help when the HW world title is fragmented thus it’s value lessened. And also the lack of an American HW superstar to inspire. US had Ali, then Tyson two of biggest and most influential HWs of all time .

The American sports industry is cut throat and incredibly competitive and I’m not sure boxing re invests like the other sports do