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asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:32 35%? Are you nuts? AJ brings nearly all the belts and nobody wants the corrupt WBC one anyway. AJ is already crazy that he offers Wilder 12,5 mil.

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:36

asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:32 35%? Are you nuts? AJ brings nearly all the belts and nobody wants the corrupt WBC one anyway. AJ is already crazy that he offers Wilder 12,5 mil.

Parker got around 33%, if I'm correct. Wilder deserves anywhere from 30-35%. If there is more money for this fight, which there should be, Wilder is entitled to it.

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:36

asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:32 35%? Are you nuts? AJ brings nearly all the belts and nobody wants the corrupt WBC one anyway. AJ is already crazy that he offers Wilder 12,5 mil.

Parker got around 33%, if I'm correct. Wilder deserves anywhere from 30-35%. If there is more money for this fight, which there should be, Wilder is entitled to it.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 03:48

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:36

asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:32 35%? Are you nuts? AJ brings nearly all the belts and nobody wants the corrupt WBC one anyway. AJ is already crazy that he offers Wilder 12,5 mil.

Parker got around 33%, if I'm correct. Wilder deserves anywhere from 30-35%. If there is more money for this fight, which there should be, Wilder is entitled to it.

I agree, but ‘The Bronze Bomber’ has been asking for a 50-50 split, either for a one-off fight or a two-bout deal.

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 07:43

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 03:48

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:36

Parker got around 33%, if I'm correct. Wilder deserves anywhere from 30-35%. If there is more money for this fight, which there should be, Wilder is entitled to it.

I agree, but ‘The Bronze Bomber’ has been asking for a 50-50 split, either for a one-off fight or a two-bout deal.

I have seen they were aiming for a 60-40 split, where could see why they would go high, to allow room to go down. Just as Hearn would start low, for room to negotiate up. So I see the 30-35% range being easy to obtain.

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:36

asdfjkl wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 02:32 35%? Are you nuts? AJ brings nearly all the belts and nobody wants the corrupt WBC one anyway. AJ is already crazy that he offers Wilder 12,5 mil.

Parker got around 33%, if I'm correct. Wilder deserves anywhere from 30-35%. If there is more money for this fight, which there should be, Wilder is entitled to it.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 08:36

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 07:43

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 03:48
I agree, but ‘The Bronze Bomber’ has been asking for a 50-50 split, either for a one-off fight or a two-bout deal.

I have seen they were aiming for a 60-40 split, where could see why they would go high, to allow room to go down. Just as Hearn would start low, for room to negotiate up. So I see the 30-35% range being easy to obtain.

The terms of Wilder's "60-40" terms actually equate to "50-50" over two bouts, since he wanted to receive 60% of the purse for the rematch.

Casual fight fans don't realise that receiving 40% for the first fight and then 60% for the rematch, equates to a 50-50 split if the total purse pot for both bouts is the same.

Remember, Deontay demanded a 50-50 split for a one-off bout and his terms haven't changed. His still wants 50% if the fight against AJ doesn't contain a rematch clause.

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 10:44My overall point is Wilder's camp started high, Hearn's camp started low. Which is easy to understand. They will negotiate somewhere to the middle. Thus, 30-35% for Wilder is fair, with Parker getting 33% in his fight. They should pitch Wilder $15 million OR 35%. Leave it up to him and his camp to decide on which one to take. I feel the fight would generate more than $15 million being 35%, so I'd opt for the %, and I think they would too.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 10:50

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 10:44My overall point is Wilder's camp started high, Hearn's camp started low. Which is easy to understand. They will negotiate somewhere to the middle. Thus, 30-35% for Wilder is fair, with Parker getting 33% in his fight. They should pitch Wilder $15 million OR 35%. Leave it up to him and his camp to decide on which one to take. I feel the fight would generate more than $15 million being 35%, so I'd opt for the %, and I think they would too.

Can you please take a look at the explanation I supplied in a separate thread that I posted shortly before your response, where I argue the $12.5m offer that has been made to Deontay Wilder seems appropriate? Click on the hyperlink below:

"Is Eddie Hearn's offer to Deontay Wilder too generous?"

I’ve probably gone over-the-top, but I felt that I should refrain from commenting on a figure without gaining context, by drawing comparisons between the figures being quoted for the Joshua-Wilder super-fight and those achieved by other high-profile PPV’s events.

It seems that forum members are getting outraged by media headlines without taking into consideration, or even making the effort to, understand what the numbers being quoted actually relate to.

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 10:58Again, they should negotiate to 35% range for Wilder and let him EARN what he brings to the table. Do you think Hearn, in his opening pitch, over priced Wilder to what he thinks the fight is worth, because he's a good guy and likes losing money? Come on man......

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 11:12

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 10:58Again, they should negotiate to 35% range for Wilder and let him EARN what he brings to the table. Do you think Hearn, in his opening pitch, over priced Wilder to what he thinks the fight is worth, because he's a good guy and likes losing money? Come on man......

I feel that Eddie Hearn’s offer is a respectful figure, since there is certainly no guarantee that a super-fight between Joshua & Wilder will be a huge commercial success. And let’s not forget that it’s Matchroom & Sky Sports that are taking the vast majority of the financial risk in staging this event, since Deontay doesn’t even have a promoter.

I also feel that several articles published by the media, as well as many forum members, are being naïve when they claim that Wilder is only being paid a 20% split of the total purse pot, which is incorrect. He’s actually being offered a ballpark 22% of the total estimated revenue figure for the entire event, which is a bigger percentage than what Manny Pacquiao received when he faced Floyd Mayweather Jr.

We’re talking about basic maths here, but it seems that people don’t really understand the difference between the purse pot figure and the forecasted total revenue generation amount. In fact, I’m a little shocked that I was the only person to pick-up on this simple fact.

Perhaps there’s scope for Eddie Hearn to increase his offer slightly, but I doubt the figure would increase significantly. So if I was the Matchroom boss and AJ, I’d be tempted to walk away from the fight, since the American doesn’t bring very much revenue to the table, especially if the Brit can earn similar sums against lesser fighters.

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 11:17Look man, Christ to a f'n cross, again....the ending offer should be 35% for Wilder, and let hi m earn what he's worth....can we agree on that?

I understand about all of that too. The way you talk down to people being casual fans or you are the only one who understands is comical man. Have you ever worked in the sport? My guess is no, so guess what....you are a fan!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 11:24

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 11:17

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 11:12
I feel that Eddie Hearn’s offer is a respectful figure, since there is certainly no guarantee that a super-fight between Joshua & Wilder will be a huge commercial success. And let’s not forget that it’s Matchroom & Sky Sports that are taking the vast majority of the financial risk in staging this event, since Deontay doesn’t even have a promoter.

I also feel that several articles published by the media, as well as many forum members, are being naïve when they claim that Wilder is only being paid a 20% split of the total purse pot, which is incorrect. He’s actually being offered a ballpark 22% of the total estimated revenue figure for the entire event, which is a bigger percentage than what Manny Pacquiao received when he faced Floyd Mayweather Jr.

We’re talking about basic maths here, but it seems that people don’t really understand the difference between the purse pot figure and the forecasted total revenue generation amount. In fact, I’m a little shocked that I was the only person to pick-up on this simple fact.

Perhaps there’s scope for Eddie Hearn to increase his offer slightly, but I doubt the figure would increase significantly. So if I was the Matchroom boss and AJ, I’d be tempted to walk away from the fight, since the American doesn’t bring very much revenue to the table, especially if the Brit can earn similar sums against lesser fighters.

Look man, Christ to a f'n cross, again....the ending offer should be 35% for Wilder, and let hi m earn what he's worth....can we agree on that?

I understand about all of that too. The way you talk down to people being casual fans or you are the only one who understands is comical man. Have you ever worked in the sport? My guess is no, so guess what....you are a fan!

We can agree on that and Eddie Hearn has even said he'd agree to that sort of percentage, but we're getting back to Wilder's previous claims that he wants a 50-50 split. At least Matchroom made an offer to the American, which is clearly in the ballpark of the 35% split.

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 10:44 I'm pretty much aware that if you get 40% one fight, then 60% in a rematch, it equals 50%, since both fighters %'s equal the same added up in the two fights. That has zero to do with being in the sport, being a hardcore fan, a casual fan, or never watching the sport. That's basic math.

the_doctor wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:27
40% of $50m + 60% of $100m = $20m + $60m = $80m
60% of $50m + 40% of $100m = $30m + $40m = $70m

greg wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:40

the_doctor wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:27
(40% of $50m) + (60% of $100m) = $20m + $60m = $80m
(60% of $50m) + (40% of $100m) = $30m + $40m = $70m

..you lost me there, doc..

the_doctor wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:27

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 10:44 I'm pretty much aware that if you get 40% one fight, then 60% in a rematch, it equals 50%, since both fighters %'s equal the same added up in the two fights. That has zero to do with being in the sport, being a hardcore fan, a casual fan, or never watching the sport. That's basic math.

Not if the rematch makes more or less than the first fight.

40% of $50m + 60% of $100m = $20m + $60m = $80m
60% of $50m + 40% of $100m = $30m + $40m = $70m

So a 60/40 split followed by a 40/60 spilt is only equivalent to a 50/50 split overall if both fights make exactly the same money, and how likely is that?

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:47 Let Wilder get a % of USA PPV. That gets his team involved and motivated. Gives AJ more exposure. Everyone wins.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 14:34

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:47 Let Wilder get a % of USA PPV. That gets his team involved and motivated. Gives AJ more exposure. Everyone wins.

Let Wilder have ALL fighter's PPV proceeds in the US and Joshua have ALL fighter's PPV proceeds in UK. I bet WIlder won't like that option.

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 11:25

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 11:24

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 11:17

Look man, Christ to a f'n cross, again....the ending offer should be 35% for Wilder, and let hi m earn what he's worth....can we agree on that?

I understand about all of that too. The way you talk down to people being casual fans or you are the only one who understands is comical man. Have you ever worked in the sport? My guess is no, so guess what....you are a fan!

We can agree on that and Eddie Hearn has even said he'd agree to that sort of percentage, but we're getting back to Wilder's previous claims that he wants a 50-50 split. At least Matchroom made an offer to the American, which is clearly in the ballpark of the 35% split.