Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 17:37
I'm not sure why the Golovkin camp is getting such a hard time here. It wasn't their fighter who failed a test and caused the fight to fall through.
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Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 18:10
I'm not mad at GGG. Im just tired of seeing no opponent.
It us all Canelos fault.
But can't GGG just have a non title fight so he didn't waste training camp
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 20:10
They've had six weeks to find an opponent.
Read the first post in this thread prior to responding, since it's pointless for me to repeat what has already been said.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 20:13
i'll say it again:
tom LOL-effler
tom LOL-effler
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 20:25
GGG is promoting his own fight and he's had more than six weeks to find an opponent.tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 18:10I'm not mad at GGG. Im just tired of seeing no opponent.
It us all Canelos fault.
But can't GGG just have a non title fight so he didn't waste training camp
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 21:58
http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la ... story.html
I think that he will fight Vanes. Loefler is just waiting for NSAC decision to announce the fight if it goes as unexpected.
I think that he will fight Vanes. Loefler is just waiting for NSAC decision to announce the fight if it goes as unexpected.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 22:20
brook, vanes, the mans cleaning out 147 and 154 
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 23:00
That fight can't possibly fly.boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 21:58 http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la ... story.html
I think that he will fight Vanes. Loefler is just waiting for NSAC decision to announce the fight if it goes as unexpected.
Martirosyan is a 154 pounder who hasn't fought in a couple years.
He has lost 2 of 3.
How can you possibly sell him?
Munguia would have been a better choice.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 00:03
Vanes is well known in California, and there are a lot of Armenians there. I have no doubts that the venue would be sold out even though the fight itself wouldn't be competitive.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 02:53
I read your original post before responding. Thanks for the guidance on how to read and respond to threads. Keep it to yourself next time, thanksEnlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 20:10They've had six weeks to find an opponent.
Read the first post in this thread prior to responding, since it's pointless for me to repeat what has already been said.
I still think people are overly critical of Golovkin. There are very few opponents who the public will accept and not many of those available on a few weeks notice
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 02:59
Seriously, at this point, Golovkin should just change the date. The longer finding an opponent drags out, the worst the opponent will be. Munguia is probably the best choice between Vanes and Spike. That's pretty bad.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 03:28
There were several high profile opponents available who were ready to face GGG, they even offered to face him on Cinco De Mayo, but Golovkin's team didn't even contact them.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 02:53I read your original post before responding. Thanks for the guidance on how to read and respond to threads. Keep it to yourself next time, thanksEnlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 20:10They've had six weeks to find an opponent.
Read the first post in this thread prior to responding, since it's pointless for me to repeat what has already been said.
I still think people are overly critical of Golovkin. There are very few opponents who the public will accept and not many of those available on a few weeks notice
Not a single one of them were contacted.
Do you need me to name them? I guess others will be all to happy to oblige, since their callouts were well publicised.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 03:40
Who is available on that date that you would accept as a viable opponent? Surely you can accept that Alverez has caused the issue here, not the Golovkin camp. That much should be obvious?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:28There were several high profile opponents available who were ready to face GGG, they even offered to face him on Cinco De Mayo, but Golovkin's team didn't even contact them.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 02:53I read your original post before responding. Thanks for the guidance on how to read and respond to threads. Keep it to yourself next time, thanksEnlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 20:10
They've had six weeks to find an opponent.
Read the first post in this thread prior to responding, since it's pointless for me to repeat what has already been said.
I still think people are overly critical of Golovkin. There are very few opponents who the public will accept and not many of those available on a few weeks notice
Not a single one of them were contacted.
Do you need me to name them? I guess others will be all to happy to oblige, since their callouts were well publicised.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 03:45
As far as I’m aware, the likes of Saunders, Jacobs, Charlo, Andrade & Derevyanchenko haven’t been contacted by GGG’s team, yet they’ve all expressed an interest in facing the Kazakh.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:40Who is available on that date that you would accept as a viable opponent? Surely you can accept that Alverez has caused the issue here, not the Golovkin camp. That much should be obvious?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:28There were several high profile opponents available who were ready to face GGG, they even offered to face him on Cinco De Mayo, but Golovkin's team didn't even contact them.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 02:53
I read your original post before responding. Thanks for the guidance on how to read and respond to threads. Keep it to yourself next time, thanks
I still think people are overly critical of Golovkin. There are very few opponents who the public will accept and not many of those available on a few weeks notice
Not a single one of them were contacted.
Do you need me to name them? I guess others will be all to happy to oblige, since their callouts were well publicised.
They would have secured the 'Spike' O'Sullivan fight also, but they wouldn't pay him his worth.
Canelo withdrawing from his bout was unfortunate for GGG, but Golovkin's team had enough time to implement a contingency plan and have a suitable replacement opponent on stand-by, but they failed to do so.
Therefore, part of the blame for GGG's current predicament is his own fault as it's his company that is promoting and managing this event.
For the record, for most bouts, it only takes two or three days to negotiate and get the contracts signed-up.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 04:09
Osullivan isn't a realistic opponent. Saunders wanted to fight but in June. I'm sure they'd face any of the others but as you say you don't know who has contacted who so you are just speculating. A fighter tweeting to say he'd face someone doesn't mean much, it's easy to send out a tweet to posture a bit to your publicEnlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:45As far as I’m aware, the likes of Saunders, Jacobs, Charlo, Andrade & Derevyanchenko haven’t been contacted by GGG’s team, yet they’ve all expressed an interest in facing the Kazakh.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:40Who is available on that date that you would accept as a viable opponent? Surely you can accept that Alverez has caused the issue here, not the Golovkin camp. That much should be obvious?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:28
There were several high profile opponents available who were ready to face GGG, they even offered to face him on Cinco De Mayo, but Golovkin's team didn't even contact them.
Not a single one of them were contacted.
Do you need me to name them? I guess others will be all to happy to oblige, since their callouts were well publicised.
They would have secured the 'Spike' O'Sullivan fight also, but they wouldn't pay him his worth.
Canelo withdrawing from his bout was unfortunate for GGG, but Golovkin's team had enough time to implement a contingency plan and have a suitable replacement opponent on stand-by, but they failed to do so.
Therefore, part of the blame for GGG's current predicament is his own fault as it's his company that is promoting and managing this event.
For the record, for most bouts, it only takes two or three days to negotiate and get the contracts signed-up.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 04:11
I think they've been trying to save the May date. For what it's worth I think they should dump that date and face Saunders instead June. That fight makes the most sense at this stage.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:45As far as I’m aware, the likes of Saunders, Jacobs, Charlo, Andrade & Derevyanchenko haven’t been contacted by GGG’s team, yet they’ve all expressed an interest in facing the Kazakh.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:40Who is available on that date that you would accept as a viable opponent? Surely you can accept that Alverez has caused the issue here, not the Golovkin camp. That much should be obvious?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:28
There were several high profile opponents available who were ready to face GGG, they even offered to face him on Cinco De Mayo, but Golovkin's team didn't even contact them.
Not a single one of them were contacted.
Do you need me to name them? I guess others will be all to happy to oblige, since their callouts were well publicised.
They would have secured the 'Spike' O'Sullivan fight also, but they wouldn't pay him his worth.
Canelo withdrawing from his bout was unfortunate for GGG, but Golovkin's team had enough time to implement a contingency plan and have a suitable replacement opponent on stand-by, but they failed to do so.
Therefore, part of the blame for GGG's current predicament is his own fault as it's his company that is promoting and managing this event.
For the record, for most bouts, it only takes two or three days to negotiate and get the contracts signed-up.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 04:38
Saunders' own promoter stated that he'd take the fight, but they weren't contacted. I guess Saunders probably wanted more time to prepare any way, but they weren't even contacted in the first place.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 04:09Osullivan isn't a realistic opponent. Saunders wanted to fight but in June. I'm sure they'd face any of the others but as you say you don't know who has contacted who so you are just speculating. A fighter tweeting to say he'd face someone doesn't mean much, it's easy to send out a tweet to posture a bit to your publicEnlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:45As far as I’m aware, the likes of Saunders, Jacobs, Charlo, Andrade & Derevyanchenko haven’t been contacted by GGG’s team, yet they’ve all expressed an interest in facing the Kazakh.
They would have secured the 'Spike' O'Sullivan fight also, but they wouldn't pay him his worth.
Canelo withdrawing from his bout was unfortunate for GGG, but Golovkin's team had enough time to implement a contingency plan and have a suitable replacement opponent on stand-by, but they failed to do so.
Therefore, part of the blame for GGG's current predicament is his own fault as it's his company that is promoting and managing this event.
For the record, for most bouts, it only takes two or three days to negotiate and get the contracts signed-up.
O'Sullivan was a realistic opponent, because he was highly-ranked by the sports governing bodies and also by The RING.
Andrade & Derevyanchenko wanted the fight and were ready, but they weren't contacted. Do you have an excuse for their ineligibility also?
GGG Promotions had fighters stating their availability to face Gennady Golovkin, but they simply weren't contacted.
None of this is speculation. I think that Derevyanchenko's team even filed an official complaint, because he is GGG's mandatory, but Team Golovkin wanted to look elsewhere.
I'm not making any of this up, other forum members have commented on these issues also.
Simply put: GGG isn't entirely blameless for this situation. He's not Bambi, excruciatingly nice and innocent. He isn't perfect either. His team have clearly made mistakes.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 06:49
I don't think a single person at the top level of boxing on the promotional side could be described as innocent.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 04:38Saunders' own promoter stated that he'd take the fight, but they weren't contacted. I guess Saunders probably wanted more time to prepare any way, but they weren't even contacted in the first place.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 04:09Osullivan isn't a realistic opponent. Saunders wanted to fight but in June. I'm sure they'd face any of the others but as you say you don't know who has contacted who so you are just speculating. A fighter tweeting to say he'd face someone doesn't mean much, it's easy to send out a tweet to posture a bit to your publicEnlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:45
As far as I’m aware, the likes of Saunders, Jacobs, Charlo, Andrade & Derevyanchenko haven’t been contacted by GGG’s team, yet they’ve all expressed an interest in facing the Kazakh.
They would have secured the 'Spike' O'Sullivan fight also, but they wouldn't pay him his worth.
Canelo withdrawing from his bout was unfortunate for GGG, but Golovkin's team had enough time to implement a contingency plan and have a suitable replacement opponent on stand-by, but they failed to do so.
Therefore, part of the blame for GGG's current predicament is his own fault as it's his company that is promoting and managing this event.
For the record, for most bouts, it only takes two or three days to negotiate and get the contracts signed-up.
O'Sullivan was a realistic opponent, because he was highly-ranked by the sports governing bodies and also by The RING.
Andrade & Derevyanchenko wanted the fight and were ready, but they weren't contacted. Do you have an excuse for their ineligibility also?
GGG Promotions had fighters stating their availability to face Gennady Golovkin, but they simply weren't contacted.
None of this is speculation. I think that Derevyanchenko's team even filed an official complaint, because he is GGG's mandatory, but Team Golovkin wanted to look elsewhere.
I'm not making any of this up, other forum members have commented on these issues also.
Simply put: GGG isn't entirely blameless for this situation. He's not Bambi, excruciatingly nice and innocent. He isn't perfect either. His team have clearly made mistakes.
Surely the opponent who failed a drug test and pulled out of the fight a month before is the primary guilty party though? His conduct left everyone else to scramble around trying to salvage the mess he created?
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 07:03
I've just RE read the entire thread. Plenty of people disagree with you. The thread is now just an exercise in you justifying your original position. In the original post you invited people to provide their thoughts but you seem determined to just shout down those who disagree with your interpretation of the timelines.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 04:38Saunders' own promoter stated that he'd take the fight, but they weren't contacted. I guess Saunders probably wanted more time to prepare any way, but they weren't even contacted in the first place.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 04:09Osullivan isn't a realistic opponent. Saunders wanted to fight but in June. I'm sure they'd face any of the others but as you say you don't know who has contacted who so you are just speculating. A fighter tweeting to say he'd face someone doesn't mean much, it's easy to send out a tweet to posture a bit to your publicEnlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:45
As far as I’m aware, the likes of Saunders, Jacobs, Charlo, Andrade & Derevyanchenko haven’t been contacted by GGG’s team, yet they’ve all expressed an interest in facing the Kazakh.
They would have secured the 'Spike' O'Sullivan fight also, but they wouldn't pay him his worth.
Canelo withdrawing from his bout was unfortunate for GGG, but Golovkin's team had enough time to implement a contingency plan and have a suitable replacement opponent on stand-by, but they failed to do so.
Therefore, part of the blame for GGG's current predicament is his own fault as it's his company that is promoting and managing this event.
For the record, for most bouts, it only takes two or three days to negotiate and get the contracts signed-up.
O'Sullivan was a realistic opponent, because he was highly-ranked by the sports governing bodies and also by The RING.
Andrade & Derevyanchenko wanted the fight and were ready, but they weren't contacted. Do you have an excuse for their ineligibility also?
GGG Promotions had fighters stating their availability to face Gennady Golovkin, but they simply weren't contacted.
None of this is speculation. I think that Derevyanchenko's team even filed an official complaint, because he is GGG's mandatory, but Team Golovkin wanted to look elsewhere.
I'm not making any of this up, other forum members have commented on these issues also.
Simply put: GGG isn't entirely blameless for this situation. He's not Bambi, excruciatingly nice and innocent. He isn't perfect either. His team have clearly made mistakes.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 10:04
HBO didn't want Andrade due to his last performance and lack of confidence at 160.
O'Sullivan already has a fight and wanted a bit more training time and money.
BJS and Jacobs have fights and want full camps. BJS could do one in June.
GGG would want a full camp against Derevyanchenko.
Mungia was declined by NSAC.
At this point seems like they are really trying to Vanes. The only snag at this moment is with the IBF and Derevy.
I guess when you are your lowest point, you can sellout to Don King and he will get you a fighter and the nod from WBA WBC.
O'Sullivan already has a fight and wanted a bit more training time and money.
BJS and Jacobs have fights and want full camps. BJS could do one in June.
GGG would want a full camp against Derevyanchenko.
Mungia was declined by NSAC.
At this point seems like they are really trying to Vanes. The only snag at this moment is with the IBF and Derevy.
I guess when you are your lowest point, you can sellout to Don King and he will get you a fighter and the nod from WBA WBC.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 10:07
Cannot blame GGG for still wanting the fight. He wants to get paid and add another win to his legacy.
Clearly they want someone who is a solid gatekeeper/journeyman.
Clearly they want someone who is a solid gatekeeper/journeyman.
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 11:15
Top level fights like Jacobs, Charlo, Derevo, Andrade take much longer that 4 or even 6 weeks to arrange. Unlike internet trolls like you, Loefler knows it, so he didn't contact these guys. He is to blame for not having a backup option, but not for trying to arrange those fights at a short notice.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 04:38Saunders' own promoter stated that he'd take the fight, but they weren't contacted. I guess Saunders probably wanted more time to prepare any way, but they weren't even contacted in the first place.ewenhay wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 04:09Osullivan isn't a realistic opponent. Saunders wanted to fight but in June. I'm sure they'd face any of the others but as you say you don't know who has contacted who so you are just speculating. A fighter tweeting to say he'd face someone doesn't mean much, it's easy to send out a tweet to posture a bit to your publicEnlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:45
As far as I’m aware, the likes of Saunders, Jacobs, Charlo, Andrade & Derevyanchenko haven’t been contacted by GGG’s team, yet they’ve all expressed an interest in facing the Kazakh.
They would have secured the 'Spike' O'Sullivan fight also, but they wouldn't pay him his worth.
Canelo withdrawing from his bout was unfortunate for GGG, but Golovkin's team had enough time to implement a contingency plan and have a suitable replacement opponent on stand-by, but they failed to do so.
Therefore, part of the blame for GGG's current predicament is his own fault as it's his company that is promoting and managing this event.
For the record, for most bouts, it only takes two or three days to negotiate and get the contracts signed-up.
O'Sullivan was a realistic opponent, because he was highly-ranked by the sports governing bodies and also by The RING.
Andrade & Derevyanchenko wanted the fight and were ready, but they weren't contacted. Do you have an excuse for their ineligibility also?
GGG Promotions had fighters stating their availability to face Gennady Golovkin, but they simply weren't contacted.
None of this is speculation. I think that Derevyanchenko's team even filed an official complaint, because he is GGG's mandatory, but Team Golovkin wanted to look elsewhere.
I'm not making any of this up, other forum members have commented on these issues also.
Simply put: GGG isn't entirely blameless for this situation. He's not Bambi, excruciatingly nice and innocent. He isn't perfect either. His team have clearly made mistakes.
There is also a weight issue. Only Jacobs who is in training for Sulecki fight could make 160 by May 5 and still be competitive in the ring. The rest of these top guys are only throwing their names in the mix to get publicity. Derevo also wants his step aside money. Speaking about Jacobs, the first time he was contacted, he said he needed 3 months to prepare for Golovkin ...
P.S. There also appears to be money issue:
https://www.BS.com/loeffler-go ... ht--127125
Loeffler explained Thursday in Los Angeles that there’s not enough money in the license fee HBO has agreed to pay to televise Golovkin’s May 5 fight to make it worthwhile for Golovkin or Derevyanchenko to fight each other on three weeks’ notice. Loeffler didn’t mention how much money HBO paid to air Golovkin’s return May 5, but multiple sources have informed BS.com that approximately $1 million will be paid to help cover the purses of Golovkin and his opponent.
“It’s a pretty simple answer, and I don’t really wanna get into the discussions [I’ve had] with Lou,” Loeffler said. “But we feel, under a reduced television fee, under a condensed schedule for marketing a fight, not only would it be disadvantageous for a mandatory [challenger], but also for Triple-G. I mean, Triple-G sells out the biggest arenas in the world, and if we have a proper time to promote and market a fight, nobody does it better than we do with the Triple-G fights. You know, when you can sell out Madison Square Garden twice, with a David Lemieux, with a Danny Jacobs, Derevyanchenko would be a huge fight in Madison Square Garden. So why would you want to shortchange the mandatory challenger and the champion, the unified champion, squeezing a situation like that?”
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 11:28
They may have found him in Vanes Martirosyan. Because of the special circumstances no one should begrudge him this time. Martirosyan should not be overlooked because he really has very little to lose and everything to gain.
This fight should allow GGG to buy some time before he goes after Canelo, Saunders or Dverychenko. This will still leave Danny Jacobs out in the cold, but that mainly the result of the Canelo shenanigans over the past 2 years.
The division needs the champion to fight 3/4 times a year.
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/304744
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 11:39
Martirosyan.
The best thing I can say about this matchup. Is that Vanes has never been stopped....yet
The best thing I can say about this matchup. Is that Vanes has never been stopped....yet
Re: Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 12:04
Vanes is no Rosado. His 3 losses to Andrade, Charlo and Lara were competitive. Prime Vanes would likely beat half of Golovkin's previous opponents. He hasn't fought for almost 2 years though.