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Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 14 May 2018, 15:57
by oogiebe
Horse wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:55
oogiebe wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:53If you want to have an internet fight, at least take it offline and leave the thread alone. I hate girls like you.
You want to have an internet fight offline?
What the feck are you blathering about?
Puss
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 14 May 2018, 17:28
by gp.
oogiebe wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:50
Horse wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:49
gp. wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:45Do you want to give any reasoning then? Because you just saying a thing isn't really very useful. Some reason for why you are saying it, or some example of it happening, would be great. You just saying it, not so much.
The reasoning is obvious.
It is to me, but the man is asking. I posted my reasons above, if you are interested GP.
I thought you were agreeing he needed to rush? If Horse's reasons for saying flatly that he doesn't are obvious to you, I'd like to hear them.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 14 May 2018, 17:48
by oogiebe
gp. wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 17:28
oogiebe wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:50
Horse wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:49
The reasoning is obvious.
It is to me, but the man is asking. I posted my reasons above, if you are interested GP.
I thought you were agreeing he needed to rush? If Horse's reasons for saying flatly that he doesn't are obvious to you, I'd like to hear them.
He's an older prospect. He is over 30 and doesn't have the time to develop in the pros as a 20 y/o. So he's in need pro experience to get used to the pro game, AND needs to make a move up the rankings while he's relatively young (not old). So his handlers need to get him more fights with less time in between for say, 3 fights in 12 months with the third one being a step up (a really decent journeyman). IF he can perform well through that, a top 15 contender would be next and then up from there, IMHO. His time is short as compared to a 20 - 25 y/o.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 14 May 2018, 18:29
by tiny_acres
It just seems like yesterday when even heavyweights were Said to be over the hill and way past it at 32 or 33 years old.
Damn times change
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 14 May 2018, 18:36
by oogiebe
tiny_acres wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 18:29
It just seems like yesterday when even heavyweights were Said to be over the hill and way past it at 32 or 33 years old.
Damn times change
Time do change indeed.
All sports are seeing primes in the over 30/32 years. Tom Brady is more a sign of the times than an enigma.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 15 May 2018, 06:36
by gp.
oogiebe wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 17:48
gp. wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 17:28
oogiebe wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:50
It is to me, but the man is asking. I posted my reasons above, if you are interested GP.
I thought you were agreeing he needed to rush? If Horse's reasons for saying flatly that he doesn't are obvious to you, I'd like to hear them.
He's an older prospect. He is over 30 and doesn't have the time to develop in the pros as a 20 y/o. So he's in need pro experience to get used to the pro game, AND needs to make a move up the rankings while he's relatively young (not old). So his handlers need to get him more fights with less time in between for say, 3 fights in 12 months with the third one being a step up (a really decent journeyman). IF he can perform well through that, a top 15 contender would be next and then up from there, IMHO. His time is short as compared to a 20 - 25 y/o.
Surely a top 15 contender in a year's time corresponds precisely with what Horse took issue with - that he needs to be fighting the likes of Whyte by the time he is 33.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 15 May 2018, 08:35
by danconnollyeire
tiny_acres wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 18:29
It just seems like yesterday when even heavyweights were Said to be over the hill and way past it at 32 or 33 years old.
Damn times change
Never been the case with Heavyweights...
Foreman champ at nearly 50
Lewis became undisputed champ at 36
Ali second reign as champ 32-35, 3rd reign at 37
Holmes was champ at 34
The list goes on
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 15 May 2018, 14:50
by dookus
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑15 May 2018, 08:35
tiny_acres wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 18:29
It just seems like yesterday when even heavyweights were Said to be over the hill and way past it at 32 or 33 years old.
Damn times change
Never been the case with Heavyweights...
Foreman champ at nearly 50
Lewis became undisputed champ at 36
Ali second reign as champ 32-35, 3rd reign at 37
Holmes was champ at 34
The list goes on
Okay, but none of them were 4-0 at 32
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 15 May 2018, 14:51
by oogiebe
dookus wrote: ↑15 May 2018, 14:50
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑15 May 2018, 08:35
tiny_acres wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 18:29
It just seems like yesterday when even heavyweights were Said to be over the hill and way past it at 32 or 33 years old.
Damn times change
Never been the case with Heavyweights...
Foreman champ at nearly 50
Lewis became undisputed champ at 36
Ali second reign as champ 32-35, 3rd reign at 37
Holmes was champ at 34
The list goes on
Okay, but none of them were 4-0 at 32
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 15 May 2018, 22:25
by Like a Boss
I don't think Joyce is ready for Whyte just yet.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 00:39
by KiwiRider
Like a Boss wrote: ↑15 May 2018, 22:25
I don't think Joyce is ready for Whyte just yet.
Think of what it took to beat Joyce in a 3+ round fight.
Usyk had to put on a Loma-like performance, with speed, accuracy, movement, defence and fitness just to get a win on points. He didn't even put Brown Lurch down, or even rock him. No way Dillian Whyte is capable of a performance like that.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 01:38
by TheLeprechaun
The division is terrible at the moment so I can actually see Joyce going far but I cant help but feel personally insulted watching him fight. He is so poor in every department that it feels wrong that he is winning fights. Its like Larry olubumiwo all over again. I have a deep feeling of injustice seeing him winning fights at a high level, if that happens. Its like it's against the laws of boxing. Maybe I've just been watching the sport too long but I want nothing more than to see Joyce starched. For boxing's sake. Its an insult to the game we love if he holds a world title
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 03:27
by mickey1975
TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 01:38
The division is terrible at the moment so I can actually see Joyce going far but I cant help but feel personally insulted watching him fight. He is so poor in every department that it feels wrong that he is winning fights. Its like Larry olubumiwo all over again. I have a deep feeling of injustice seeing him winning fights at a high level, if that happens. Its like it's against the laws of boxing. Maybe I've just been watching the sport too long but I want nothing more than to see Joyce starched. For boxing's sake. Its an insult to the game we love if he holds a world title
Just ridiculous.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 03:53
by littlepug
TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 01:38
The division is terrible at the moment so I can actually see Joyce going far but I cant help but feel personally insulted watching him fight. He is so poor in every department that it feels wrong that he is winning fights. Its like Larry olubumiwo all over again. I have a deep feeling of injustice seeing him winning fights at a high level, if that happens. Its like it's against the laws of boxing. Maybe I've just been watching the sport too long but I want nothing more than to see Joyce starched. For boxing's sake. Its an insult to the game we love if he holds a world title
Actually agree with this, didnt know how the commentaters were managing to say posotive things about him during the fight, the guy offends my eyes !
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 08:32
by Horse
littlepug wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 03:53Actually agree with this, didnt know how the commentaters were managing to say posotive things about him during the fight, the guy offends my eyes !
Because he battered his opponent and won easily.
Not everyone has to fight like a ponce to win fights.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 08:39
by littlepug
Horse wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 08:32
littlepug wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 03:53Actually agree with this, didnt know how the commentaters were managing to say posotive things about him during the fight, the guy offends my eyes !
Because he battered his opponent and won easily.
Not everyone has to fight like a ponce to win fights.
Shades of Carnera
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 09:58
by Belaqua
I'd like to see Joyce in with Takam at some point, I think that has potential to be a decent fight
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 10:24
by oogiebe
Belaqua wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 09:58
I'd like to see Joyce in with Takam at some point, I think that has potential to be a decent fight
Never thought of that one. Agreed!
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 10:25
by Belaqua
In some ways he reminds me of Matt Skelton, horrible style, but very effective.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 10:26
by oogiebe
Belaqua wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 10:25
In some ways he reminds me of Matt Skelton, horrible style, but very effective.
...so far...He needs to get busy (Joyce),
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 10:29
by Belaqua
oogiebe wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 10:26
Belaqua wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 10:25
In some ways he reminds me of Matt Skelton, horrible style, but very effective.
...so far...He needs to get busy (Joyce),
With David Haye as his promoter getting busy will be a problem.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 10:29
by oogiebe
Belaqua wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 10:29
oogiebe wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 10:26
Belaqua wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 10:25
In some ways he reminds me of Matt Skelton, horrible style, but very effective.
...so far...He needs to get busy (Joyce),
With David Haye as his promoter getting busy will be a problem.
Right!? What is that about?!
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 10:33
by Belaqua
oogiebe wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 10:29
Right!? What is that about?!
Joyce is big risk, low reward, any ranked fighters are going to want big wages to fight him, I don't think Hate has the money to pay them.
Re: Joe Joyce would take Dillian Whyte in his next fight claims manager, Sam Jones
Posted: 16 May 2018, 11:17
by theboxingmadman
Joyce vs Lucas Browne could be a decent fight, if the proposed Browne Vs Allen fight doesn't happen.