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jpspice wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 21:59 If the right hand had been a couple inches lower it may have ended the fight. not quite on the button.

thats right.

Funny how Lomachenko goes up a third division in his career, fights the best fighter in the division and probably the most skilled fighter in the world (apart from Loma himself), gets knocked down, then knocks his opponent out, then gets criticised lol

i think its fair game when the standard ppl were talking about for him was pretty much perfection

yes he overcame 15 pound difference to stop a very good fighter, but maybe hes not so amazingly wildly good where even as a smaller guy hell just calkwalk top lightweights, like ppl thought he would

this is merely a readjusting

jamamb wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 23:22 i think its fair game when the standard ppl were talking about for him was pretty much perfection

yes he overcame 15 pound difference to stop a very good fighter, but maybe hes not so amazingly wildly good where even as a smaller guy hell just calkwalk top lightweights, like ppl thought he would

this is merely a readjusting

I appreciate you have quotas to fill. As in bagging out golovkin and lomachenko a number of times a week. But I think your timings poor. It was a amazing fight, it was amazingly skillful from both, lomachenko proved yet again he’s an amazing fighter.

nah i rate loma highly and like him

klitoris wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 23:11 Funny how Lomachenko goes up a third division in his career, fights the best fighter in the division and probably the most skilled fighter in the world (apart from Loma himself), gets knocked down, then knocks his opponent out, then gets criticised lol

Calm down here. Linares is a solid fighter, but he's not a p4p-esque guy. Dude struggled with domestic level guys like Mitchell, Campbell, and Crolla (first fight). But he definitely was the best fighter at 135 lbs. at the time.

Thing is that the RbR does Lomachenko no favors. No way was he winning that fight wide. It was a close fight.

Anyone that thinks Mikey Garcia will knock out Loma doesn’t know boxing. Mikey Garcia has been knocked down and hurt by worse fighters than Linares so pump the brakes on the Loma knockdown. He got caught. It happens to almost every fighter once or twice. It shouldn’t diminish the incredible performance Saturday. Super win.

..not much to re-evaluate except saying that Loma did better than I expected...taking on the best boxer in a higher weight class and stopping him in round 10 is as good as you can get..

Am i getting this thread right....

Lomachenko knocks out Linares and he's negatively "reevaluated"? You watched that fight and came to some kind of conclusion that Loma's not as good as you thought?

The right hand that JL caught Loma with was reminiscent of the right hand Marquez knocked Pacman out with. Manny getting a little too confident, rushing in. Except the Marquez shot hit the button. I think this fight confirms that Loma is the real deal but strangely, for me anyway, I think it also gave some cred to Linares. Let's face it he was a huge underdog, put Loma down with a shot that placed slightly lower may have been a knockout punch, although working hard hung well with Lom into the tenth. Then got caught with one wicked body shot he couldn't shake off (although he beat the count and wanted to continue).
Didn't retire on his stool, wants a rematch.

Why not a rematch with these two guys? Unless Loma would rather not chance it?

A rematch would be stalling Loma's career and ambitions. Not to mention, there's just no need for it.

jamamb wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 22:18loma reevaulation

Vasyl Lomachenko has engaged in eleven world championship bouts, seven of the opponents he faced were either current or former world champions and he has also captured titles in three weight classes.

And he’s managed to achieve all this during the course of a twelve fight career. At this point in time, you could even argue that Lomachenko is actually more accomplished than GGG.

So you want to re-evaluate Lomachenko’s status in the sport, simply because he suffered a flash knockdown against a three weight world champion (who was probably regarded as one of the top-20 pound-for-pound fighters on the planet), in a fight he was comfortably winning?

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, since I’m not sure if I understand your thought process, but how did you rate Lomachenko prior to the Linares bout, because I’d be intrigued to understand what has compelled you to re-evaluate Vasyl’s status in the sport?

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 11:03 A rematch would be stalling Loma's career and ambitions. Not to mention, there's just no need for it.

I agree, Loma has the pick. But who do you think there is among current champs within Loma's reach that Linares couldn't beat aside from maybe Crawford or Garcia?

if not garcia i want loma to fight berchelt or davis at 130. he could still easily make that weight and his promoter just made a fight with berchelts (or at least golden boy is involved with berchelt in some way i think). theres really not much interesting at 135 for him aside from mikey imo. no one at berchelt or davis interest levels.

beltran maybe next though for unification. also jose pedraza is at 135 now i think? arum might have an eye on him for loma but i hope not.

great fight & great performance by loma. i didnt put much stock in the rigondaux win because loma had such a size advantage. this time it was reversed, and loma was still able to pull out the victory.
i must say loma looked small in there, and took a fair amount of punishent, showing a very good chin. i think he might have maxed out his weight division. i dont know much about m garcia, but loma looked like a smallish lightweight in there, he should probably stay at the lower divisions.

jpspice wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 12:30

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 11:03 A rematch would be stalling Loma's career and ambitions. Not to mention, there's just no need for it.

I agree, Loma has the pick. But who do you think there is among current champs within Loma's reach that Linares couldn't beat aside from maybe Crawford or Garcia?

Loma/Garcia is the fight to make. With Garcia set to unify against Easter Jr. in July (I believe) and Loma set to defend against Beltran in August, we could see a unification between them as early as the end of the year. In a fantasy world, anyway. We all know Arum isn't exactly quick with the negotiation process. Still, it's hard to comprehend this fight not coming off within the next year. What would the excuse be?

arum may not want to deal wth garca gven the recent hstory. and he seems to be eyeing pac for loma

jamamb wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 16:28 arum may not want to deal wth garca gven the recent hstory. and he seems to be eyeing pac for loma

I hate that side of the sport. Never get the right matchup because of greed and hubris.

8 mins in New York..

was that someone tryng to sell them tickets at 3:10

remnds me of that story of holyfeld being in an elevator wth one of his early career opponents. and the guy telling him to come watch the fight he was having on saturady. apparently not aware he was sayng that to his opponent

jamamb wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 23:22 i think its fair game when the standard ppl were talking about for him was pretty much perfection

yes he overcame 15 pound difference to stop a very good fighter, but maybe hes not so amazingly wildly good where even as a smaller guy hell just calkwalk top lightweights, like ppl thought he would

this is merely a readjusting

I thought Linares was only 141lbs, with Lomachenko being 138lbs?

ive seen 152 reported by several sources?

jamamb wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 18:44 ive seen 152 reported by several sources?

Go to the Fight Hub TV YouTube channel, which covers the post fight press conference and Linares' team clearly deny weighing 152lbs. They are adamant he was only 141lbs, with Lomachenko being 138lbs.

Linares' people claim they don't even know where that 152lbs number came from, as it was a mistake.

Bob Arum actually told off the interviewer for asking a "stupid question" about the false 152lbs weight.

that would make it less impressive if anything

jamamb wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 18:59 that would make it less impressive if anything

Yeah, I've been reading a lot of comments about Lomachenko being severely disadvantaged by engaging in a "David vs. Goliath" type bout against the alleged "much larger" Linares, but the actual figures don't support their embellished version of events.