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The only ability of yours I am frustrated about is to produce a lot of text proving nothing. I can't see any other abilities.

GGG or RETIRE!!!!!!!!!!

Lol. Seriously though, he has got talent. He needs to stay active. Murray would have been a great fight and a very solid win since he is a common opponent with GGG.

So up and down with this guy.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑06 Jun 2018, 11:35

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Jun 2018, 11:32

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑06 Jun 2018, 11:20 None of that says that Golovkin/Loefler agreed to whatever BJS signed.

The terms of the fight were negotiated. A contract was then drawn up. Saunders signed it. GGG didn't, probably because of the threats made by GBP.

Tom Loeffler and Gennady Golovkin never even attempted to contradict any of the claims made by both Saunders and Frānk Wārrĕn, even when all four men were sat in the same room. with Billy Joe saying it directly to GGG's face!

I've backed up my claims - you haven't.

You backed up your claims with bullsh!t from BJS and Warren. Nothing from Loefler who says that BJS always wanted too much money.

Would you agree that this statement from Tom Loeffler makes a mockery of the unsubstantiated claims you previously made?

It seems that Billy Joe Saunders has agreed terms to face Gennady Golovkin on two separate occasions… and yet people continue to insist that the Brit is a “duck” that demands too much money, even though it was Team GGG that declined both of those bouts!

"Gennady Golovkin was fighting Billy Joe Saunders in August before Canelo Alvarez rematch agreed"

Billy Joe Saunders’ wait for a super-fight with Gennady Golovkin will go on after it was confirmed the WBA, WBC, and IBO champion had agreed to fight Canelo Alvarez.

Golovkin and Alvarez came to terms on Wednesday over the rematch and will now go to war again on September 15.

The news will come as a blow to WBO champion Saunders, who had a deal in place to take on Golovkin at the end of August.

Saunders pulled out of his fight with Martin Murray this month due to injury, and Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loeffler revealed the Brit was due to compete in a unification fight at the end of the summer.

‘It was a dead deal at noon. We were going to proceed with a Billy Joe Saunders fight. We had a deal in place to fight Billy Joe Saunders at the end of August,’ Loeffler told ESPN.

‘We definitely had an agreement in place with Billy Joe Saunders. I was up front with them and told them if there’s a way to get the Canelo deal that was a priority, but Gennady had no hesitation fighting Billy Joe Saunders because he felt it was a challenging fight to fight an undefeated champion.’

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑06 Jun 2018, 12:04 The only ability of yours I am frustrated about is to produce a lot of text proving nothing. I can't see any other abilities.

It's the ability to pull up relevant quotes and stats to back up what he says.
I've got a better chance of winning an argument with my wife of 33 years than I have with EO, which is zero to both

KiwiRider wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 04:33

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑06 Jun 2018, 12:04 The only ability of yours I am frustrated about is to produce a lot of text proving nothing. I can't see any other abilities.

It's the ability to pull up relevant quotes and stats to back up what he says.
I've got a better chance of winning an argument with my wife of 33 years than I have with EO, which is zero to both

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 05:50

KiwiRider wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 04:33

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑06 Jun 2018, 12:04 The only ability of yours I am frustrated about is to produce a lot of text proving nothing. I can't see any other abilities.

It's the ability to pull up relevant quotes and stats to back up what he says.
I've got a better chance of winning an argument with my wife of 33 years than I have with EO, which is zero to both

Hes best asset is totally ignoring the points he can't refute and clutching to strawmans instead. Little bit like wrestling against huge lump of wet soap

Heretic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 06:46Hes best asset is totally ignoring the points he can't refute and clutching to strawmans instead. Little bit like wrestling against huge lump of wet soap

Examples please?

If you're going to talk the talk, you've got to walk the walk...

Bring BJS - O sullivan to Canelo GGG undercard. Spike is not middleweight elite and defeat from Saunders will prevent Canelo - Spike or GGG - Spike bullsh!t in future. Nothing against him but i simply not understand why is his name being considered against top guys in 160.

Lol, imagine the hate BJS would get if he refused to fight GGG to fight shot Murray. But pulling out also proves he's a disgrace.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 21:04

I like this so much

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 21:04

So Golovkin shîts on Saunders on multiple occasions, with two deals having already been agreed with Loeffler, you applaud and wholeheartedly support Gennady’s actions!

But when Saunders shîts on Murray, you ridicule the Brit for behaving the same way as Golovkin!

One minute you’re accusing Saunders of “ducking” GGG and also “asking for too much money”, but the next minute you’re criticising Billy Joe for shîttîng on other fighters for doing his upmost to secure a bout against Golovkin.

Double-standards or what!

Nobody shitted on Saunders this time. He was told that Canelo was a priority, so he shitted all over himself.

Last June, Kazakh government money wasn't readily available, so whatever huge number BJS demanded, was unrealistic.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:29

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:26 Nothing was agreed on regarding the Golovkin vs Saunders fight. The money BJS wanted and "signed" for wasn't available.

GGG didn't use that excuse when Saunders attended the Canelo-GGG press conference and taunted the Kazakh for "losing his pen".

Do you need a video of the Brit mocking Alvarez and Gennady?

When Loeffler was interviewed afterwards, he didn't use that excuse either.

BJS is mostly talk

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 10:54 Nobody shitted on Saunders this time. He was told that Canelo was a priority, so he shitted all over himself.

Last June, Kazakh government money wasn't readily available, so whatever huge number BJS demanded, was unrealistic.

Once again, I asked you to substantiate your claim about what occurred last year, but you failed to do so.

You challenged my assertions of what occurred last year and I substantiated my claims with interview transcripts and videos.

Anybody that is a GGG die-hard will support your stance, regardless of its factual accuracy.

Anybody that is only interested in the truth will support mine, since I supported my stance with evidence that is not only easy to validate, but you also found impossible to refute.

Billy Joe Saunders had agreed to face GGG twice, with the deal having already been confirmed from the Brit's point-of-view... and even Tom Loeffler himself confirmed the most recent deal. That is irrefutable.... but please, please, please do try to pretend that this did not happen. I dare you!

Idiot, do you want me to provide a written statement from corrupt Kazakh officials?

This time, BJS agreed to be a backup, so he has nothing to complain about.

JoeCorrao wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 12:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:29

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:26 Nothing was agreed on regarding the Golovkin vs Saunders fight. The money BJS wanted and "signed" for wasn't available.

GGG didn't use that excuse when Saunders attended the Canelo-GGG press conference and taunted the Kazakh for "losing his pen".

Do you need a video of the Brit mocking Alvarez and Gennady?

When Loeffler was interviewed afterwards, he didn't use that excuse either.

BJS is mostly talk

You're accusing Saunders' words of being "mostly talk", but neither Loeffler, Golovkin or Sanchez were able to challenge Billy Joe's words when he challenged them on their actions directly to their face.

I posted a video of this.

Loeffler, Golovkin and Sanchez made no attempt to challenge the accusations made by Wärrên and Saunders when they made them directly to their faces.

Are you seriously trying to pretend that real-world facts that were captured on video don't count?

Do you even follow the sport of boxing or do you simply object to anyone that possesses the sheer audacity to undermine claims that you fabricated in your mind?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 18:13

JoeCorrao wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 12:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:29

GGG didn't use that excuse when Saunders attended the Canelo-GGG press conference and taunted the Kazakh for "losing his pen".

Do you need a video of the Brit mocking Alvarez and Gennady?

When Loeffler was interviewed afterwards, he didn't use that excuse either.

BJS is mostly talk

You're accusing Saunders' words of being "mostly talk", but neither Loeffler, Golovkin or Sanchez were able to challenge Billy Joe's words when he challenged them on their actions directly to their face.

I posted a video of this.

Loeffler, Golovkin and Sanchez made no attempt to challenge the accusations made by Wärrên and Saunders when they made them directly to their faces.

Are you seriously trying to pretend that real-world facts that were captured on video don't count?

Do you even follow the sport of boxing or do you simply object to anyone that possesses the sheer audacity to undermine claims that you fabricated in your mind?

EO’s last name is Saunders. No question

JoeCorrao wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 12:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:29

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:26 Nothing was agreed on regarding the Golovkin vs Saunders fight. The money BJS wanted and "signed" for wasn't available.

GGG didn't use that excuse when Saunders attended the Canelo-GGG press conference and taunted the Kazakh for "losing his pen".

Do you need a video of the Brit mocking Alvarez and Gennady?

When Loeffler was interviewed afterwards, he didn't use that excuse either.

BJS is mostly talk

Apart from him signing to fight GGG twice.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 21:04

JoeCorrao wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 12:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:29

GGG didn't use that excuse when Saunders attended the Canelo-GGG press conference and taunted the Kazakh for "losing his pen".

Do you need a video of the Brit mocking Alvarez and Gennady?

When Loeffler was interviewed afterwards, he didn't use that excuse either.

BJS is mostly talk

Apart from him signing to fight GGG twice.

Yeah, and he clearly demonstrated to everybody that for him signing and fighting are totally different things.