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Boxing Writer wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 05:33

dr_devious wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 16:35 Lennox had several very good runs of world class wins punctuated by the losses to McCall and Rahman

Lennox had great resume, but as for runs - they were "interrupted" by the opponents like Phil Jackson, Michael Grant and Francois Botha, neither of whom was even remotedly close to the level of Pascal, Taylor or Dirrell.

thechump wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 05:47

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 05:33

dr_devious wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 16:35 Lennox had several very good runs of world class wins punctuated by the losses to McCall and Rahman

Lennox had great resume, but as for runs - they were "interrupted" by the opponents like Phil Jackson, Michael Grant and Francois Botha, neither of whom was even remotedly close to the level of Pascal, Taylor or Dirrell.

Michael grant came off a great win against andrew golota and he was unbeaten,meant to be americans next big thing,he was athletic 6,7 i think,the yanks were raving about him so id take grant off this list mate,fair enough lewis disposed of him with ease but Ruddock Golota Morrison Grant even Tucker were all neant to test Lennox Lewis and he coped with these easily

Autobarn wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 04:59

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 05:24

Autobarn wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 15:24
Woah, slow down. Kevin Kelley still had talent and earned his shot at Naz with an astonishing coMe from behind KO of the very difficult Derrick Gainer.

Can you to find a contemporaneous write up that doesn't make reference to how vulnerable Kelly had been looking lately? The fight program doesn't count.

There's a reason why he had begun boxing for WBU titles, against 17-3 type fighters like 'Smoke' Gainer.

Kevin Kelley was in the featherweight top 10 when he faced Naz. Derrick Gainer was an incredibly difficult opponent. Kelley turned the fight around in spectacular fashion - on HBO’s great Boxing After Dark series - & he followed that fight of the year candidate, with another against Naz. KK was always vulnerable. Look at his great fightwith Troy Dorsey as a prospect. Or his world title triumph versus Goyo Vargas. All fights that he was within a pudendum’s hair of losing.

The defeat to Alejandro Gonzalez by stoppage was another remarkable battle against a good fighter that he had moments in. He would follow that disappointment with a thriller against Ricardo Rivera, where he had to come from behind to score a late KO of a fellow southpaw. His career was always in fits and starts, and he’d follow consecutive defeats to Naz, Gainer (in disappointing rematch) & Morales with a fine victory over future lightweight title holder Humberto Soto, yet another thriller.

Kelley was worthy. Of course, there’s no doubt that there was considerable handicapping in Naz’s fights, when Naz was at his peak of speed and athleticism, and taking on fighters who had slowed down ever so slightly, fighters who perhaps weren’t quicksilver to begin with.

bigjack wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 05:52

thechump wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 05:47

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 05:33
Lennox had great resume, but as for runs - they were "interrupted" by the opponents like Phil Jackson, Michael Grant and Francois Botha, neither of whom was even remotedly close to the level of Pascal, Taylor or Dirrell.

Michael grant came off a great win against andrew golota and he was unbeaten,meant to be americans next big thing,he was athletic 6,7 i think,the yanks were raving about him so id take grant off this list mate,fair enough lewis disposed of him with ease but Ruddock Golota Morrison Grant even Tucker were all neant to test Lennox Lewis and he coped with these easily

Golota was the only time i've picked against Lewis and look what happened there.

bigjack wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 05:52

thechump wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 05:47

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 05:33
Lennox had great resume, but as for runs - they were "interrupted" by the opponents like Phil Jackson, Michael Grant and Francois Botha, neither of whom was even remotedly close to the level of Pascal, Taylor or Dirrell.

Michael grant came off a great win against andrew golota and he was unbeaten,meant to be americans next big thing,he was athletic 6,7 i think,the yanks were raving about him so id take grant off this list mate,fair enough lewis disposed of him with ease but Ruddock Golota Morrison Grant even Tucker were all neant to test Lennox Lewis and he coped with these easily

Golota was the only time i've picked against Lewis and look what happened there.

Crease wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:47 Carl Frampton's 5-fight run was pretty impressive...

Beating Santa Cruz after moving up in weight to fight The Number One at that weight class.
Beating Quigg in a unification
Defending against Gonzalez (after having serious problems in making the weight)
Defending against Avalos (the to-ranked USA fighter in the division and ranked 5th behind Frampton, Quigg, LSC & Rigo)
Winning the world title against Martinez.

Crease wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:47 Carl Frampton's 5-fight run was pretty impressive...

Beating Santa Cruz after moving up in weight to fight The Number One at that weight class.
Beating Quigg in a unification
Defending against Gonzalez (after having serious problems in making the weight)
Defending against Avalos (the to-ranked USA fighter in the division and ranked 5th behind Frampton, Quigg, LSC & Rigo)
Winning the world title against Martinez.

Taansend wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 12:42 Not the best ever run but in regards to what he'd achieved Steve Robinson's results in 1993/94 was incredible.

From losing in France to beating Davidson, Murphy, McMillan, Hoko, Cruz and McKenzie - all in the space of 18 months.

Some very good fighters in that group and a bloke with 9 losses in 23 fights wasn't supposed to dominate like that.

Shame he got stitched up against Naz. He deserved better.

littlepug wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 05:30

Taansend wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 12:42 Not the best ever run but in regards to what he'd achieved Steve Robinson's results in 1993/94 was incredible.

From losing in France to beating Davidson, Murphy, McMillan, Hoko, Cruz and McKenzie - all in the space of 18 months.

Some very good fighters in that group and a bloke with 9 losses in 23 fights wasn't supposed to dominate like that.

Shame he got stitched up against Naz. He deserved better.

Im sure while he was on that great run he was supposed to be the highest paid feather in the world

Coco wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 08:14 He got a small purse for the Hamed fight, Naz was installed as mandatory, despite never having fought at feather, while Robinson was on holiday.
When he returned from holiday he was told he had to take the fight the following month or be stripped.

Taansend wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 09:42

Coco wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 08:14 He got a small purse for the Hamed fight, Naz was installed as mandatory, despite never having fought at feather, while Robinson was on holiday.
When he returned from holiday he was told he had to take the fight the following month or be stripped.

If I remember rightly Allegedly had written something into his contract despite knowing it was going to be Naz. I could be wrong though.

But I don't think I am

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 05:26good run for sure but was avalos really a top 5 in the world fighter?

Crease wrote: ↑27 Jun 2018, 10:39

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 05:26good run for sure but was avalos really a top 5 in the world fighter?

He was on the Boxrec Rankings (at the time of the fight).

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 07:06

Autobarn wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 04:59

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 05:24

Can you to find a contemporaneous write up that doesn't make reference to how vulnerable Kelly had been looking lately? The fight program doesn't count.

There's a reason why he had begun boxing for WBU titles, against 17-3 type fighters like 'Smoke' Gainer.

Kevin Kelley was in the featherweight top 10 when he faced Naz. Derrick Gainer was an incredibly difficult opponent. Kelley turned the fight around in spectacular fashion - on HBO’s great Boxing After Dark series - & he followed that fight of the year candidate, with another against Naz. KK was always vulnerable. Look at his great fightwith Troy Dorsey as a prospect. Or his world title triumph versus Goyo Vargas. All fights that he was within a pudendum’s hair of losing.

The defeat to Alejandro Gonzalez by stoppage was another remarkable battle against a good fighter that he had moments in. He would follow that disappointment with a thriller against Ricardo Rivera, where he had to come from behind to score a late KO of a fellow southpaw. His career was always in fits and starts, and he’d follow consecutive defeats to Naz, Gainer (in disappointing rematch) & Morales with a fine victory over future lightweight title holder Humberto Soto, yet another thriller.

Kelley was worthy. Of course, there’s no doubt that there was considerable handicapping in Naz’s fights, when Naz was at his peak of speed and athleticism, and taking on fighters who had slowed down ever so slightly, fighters who perhaps weren’t quicksilver to begin with.

Your final paragraph is in agreement with my original post you disagreed with!

Autobarn wrote: ↑29 Jun 2018, 04:24

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 07:06

Autobarn wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 04:59

Kevin Kelley was in the featherweight top 10 when he faced Naz. Derrick Gainer was an incredibly difficult opponent. Kelley turned the fight around in spectacular fashion - on HBO’s great Boxing After Dark series - & he followed that fight of the year candidate, with another against Naz. KK was always vulnerable. Look at his great fightwith Troy Dorsey as a prospect. Or his world title triumph versus Goyo Vargas. All fights that he was within a pudendum’s hair of losing.

The defeat to Alejandro Gonzalez by stoppage was another remarkable battle against a good fighter that he had moments in. He would follow that disappointment with a thriller against Ricardo Rivera, where he had to come from behind to score a late KO of a fellow southpaw. His career was always in fits and starts, and he’d follow consecutive defeats to Naz, Gainer (in disappointing rematch) & Morales with a fine victory over future lightweight title holder Humberto Soto, yet another thriller.

Kelley was worthy. Of course, there’s no doubt that there was considerable handicapping in Naz’s fights, when Naz was at his peak of speed and athleticism, and taking on fighters who had slowed down ever so slightly, fighters who perhaps weren’t quicksilver to begin with.

Your final paragraph is in agreement with my original post you disagreed with!

no, just keeping things balanced. Kelley might not be great but he’s good enough, a name who’d earned his shot by knocking out a talented contender, and had enough left maybe not to win, but to put up a terrific effort.

A number of Naz’s foes had serious bodies of work. They might not be in their primes but certainly had experience and were dangerous. In particular Medina would go on to beat Scott Harrison, Kelley would go on to beat Humberto Soto. Medina’s great rival Johnson was still good. McCullough and Bungu were excellent but had little business up at fatherweight it has to be said. Vazquez has perhaps a HoF worthy body of work (as a bantam, he could compete with the Naz level talents, see his classic battles with Galaxy & Lora that could easily have gone his way considering he dropped both in razor thin fights) but was long in the tooth after scoring one of the great featherweight KOs vs Rojas. Robinson and Ingle were world level Brits - the fight with Ingle was memorable, a guy near his peak with an extraordinary engine. The fight was thrilling in the late stages.

Anyway boxing is all about timing, as we know.

Autobarn wrote: ↑29 Jun 2018, 07:16 Not really.

Boxing isn’t always about putting people in time machines and matching “prime for prime”. How many times did Jones Jr and Mayweather do that, without age or weightmaking related asterisks?

People tend to overanalyse things.

Taansend wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 12:42 Not the best ever run but in regards to what he'd achieved Steve Robinson's results in 1993/94 was incredible.

From losing in France to beating Davidson, Murphy, McMillan, Hoko, Cruz and McKenzie - all in the space of 18 months.

Some very good fighters in that group and a bloke with 9 losses in 23 fights wasn't supposed to dominate like that.

Shame he got stitched up against Naz. He deserved better.