SFW wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 16:01
After having viewed the fight again, and again, it's surprising how many of Canelo's shots were blocked slipped or just plain missed. His accuracy was not too good. It seems like the consensus is Golovkin edged a close fight, I agree.. great fight and night for boxing but once again we have the majority who believe the wrong guy got his hand raised. I respect Canelo he came to fight. But that was an L.
That's why the punchstat numbers are bogus...shots GGG blocked were counting as shots landed by some college geeks pressing buttons who've never had a fight in their lives...
2 fights. 6 judges. And only 1 had it for GGG...
Never get a fair shake in Vegas.
Golovkin won it. He clearly took 6 rounds with 2 or 3 that could have gone either way. The problem boxing has now is the judges seem to score too many close rounds where the majority says Fighter " A " who landed more deserved that round, and change it to a 10-9 round for fighter " B "who did less.
We also see some strange stuff in the final rounds when Fighter " A " clearly wins it, but the judges give it to fighter " B " instead.
The results is an upside down 7-5 decision that the vast majority of media and fans disagree with.
I concur, GGG won. Watching the HBO telecast, the announcers were in the tank for Canelo. GGG couldn’t have won without a knockout; even then the judges would have scored it 10-10.
This was not as close as Ward vs Kovalev I, but it was too close to be called a robbery. I thought GGG won 116-112. Too close for Team GGG to expect anything but what they got.
I had GGG win, or draw, depending on a couple of rounds i couldnt pick. I definatly thought GGG won round 5, but all three judges disagreed. and i realy thought GGG clearly won round 12 witch At least 1 judge disagreed with (would of made it a draw if they gave ggg round 12). problem was his best work was early in the round and that always seems to be a little bit forgoten.
Cas wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 03:48
Listening to people talk about this fight they had this one closer than the last.. But I didn't see it this way.
Actually I thought this fight was more of a decisive win for Golovkin than the last fight. Golovkin fought a different fight this time and the jab really worked in his favor. The jab bothered Canelo and had plenty of snap. It dictated a lot of Golovkins work.
For me, Golovkin had the more dominant rounds this time and the latter half Golovkin turned it on. It was Canelo who was struggling to cope with the pace after the 9th. Golovkin took complete control between 8-12 in a decisive manner. Yes Canelo won a lot of the early rounds, but they were never as clear as Golovkin rounds.
The first fight I was not surprised by the draw. This time when the final bell rang I felt Golovkin had the fight in the bag. I did not expect to see the result although I was always conscious Golden Boy would have a foot in the ground.
Golovkin for me won this fight. I am struggling to see how Canelo took the fight and I respect both fighters.
A trilogy maybe on the cards, however I cannot see how Golovkin can win against Canelo. He would need a KO and Canelo is one of the most saviest fighters of this era. Perhaps both fighters should move on. Golovkin still has a lot left in him and he is perhaps one of the best fighters of this era, and a real machine.
Great fight but maybe time to move on.
I agree with you. GGG missed far less in this fight as well. I want to watch it again closely. In the 10th round, I think it was, G came as close to knocking Alvarez out as anyone I've seen and Alvarez, to his credit, fought back well despite being dazed.
Anyway, ranks up with the best fights I've seen, but Alvarez didn't take that belt IMO
I need to watch this fight again. I originally watched it at the movie theatre obviously a huge screen.
The first 4 rounds I saw Canelo really take the centre and keep golovkin off balance and land vicious power punches to the head and body while golovkin was consistent with a jab and inconsistent with power punches.
Things changed but I thought they changed too late. Golovkin started landing big and hurt Canelo. It was a great effort, lots of heart but I was certain Canelo had done enough when rd 12 was over. Very shocked at this outcry. I dislike Canelo as much as anyone, he waited golovkin out and lost the first fight but he fought proper and hard this time. I thought he was going to stop ggg at some stage watching it live maybe the 7th but then golovkin rallied and did the hurting.
I thought Golovkin won purely on damage done but this fight leaves more questions than answers and it would probably take a third fight to settle it. Problem for Golovkin is that father time is not in his favor.
lazboy wrote: ↑17 Sep 2018, 00:43
I need to watch this fight again. I originally watched it at the movie theatre obviously a huge screen.
The first 4 rounds I saw Canelo really take the centre and keep golovkin off balance and land vicious power punches to the head and body while golovkin was consistent with a jab and inconsistent with power punches.
Things changed but I thought they changed too late. Golovkin started landing big and hurt Canelo. It was a great effort, lots of heart but I was certain Canelo had done enough when rd 12 was over. Very shocked at this outcry. I dislike Canelo as much as anyone, he waited golovkin out and lost the first fight but he fought proper and hard this time. I thought he was going to stop ggg at some stage watching it live maybe the 7th but then golovkin rallied and did the hurting.
My thoughts exactly. I plan to watch the fight again, possibly with different commentary and/or with the sound off.
lazboy wrote: ↑17 Sep 2018, 00:43
I need to watch this fight again. I originally watched it at the movie theatre obviously a huge screen.
The first 4 rounds I saw Canelo really take the centre and keep golovkin off balance and land vicious power punches to the head and body while golovkin was consistent with a jab and inconsistent with power punches.
Things changed but I thought they changed too late. Golovkin started landing big and hurt Canelo. It was a great effort, lots of heart but I was certain Canelo had done enough when rd 12 was over. Very shocked at this outcry. I dislike Canelo as much as anyone, he waited golovkin out and lost the first fight but he fought proper and hard this time. I thought he was going to stop ggg at some stage watching it live maybe the 7th but then golovkin rallied and did the hurting.
My thoughts exactly. I plan to watch the fight again, possibly with different commentary and/or with the sound off.
I have only watched it with the sound off and would have described a completely different fight to the one described above.
“Good fight. I thought GGG won (by) two rounds, at least, I think,” Jacobs said. “I don’t know, it’s just, I’m not, I wasn’t being biased, but I felt like Golovkin was a lot busier than Canelo. Even though Canelo still had his spurts where he looked good and there was a lot of close rounds. People say it could’ve went either way. I gotta go back to the tape, really review it, really study it, and make my decision then. But off my initial reaction, I thought Golovkin won.”
good to see there is such common opinion. after a few watches, i also see ggg winning. it was very close, and so many rounds are debatable that you cant really complain too hard with the outcome. also that canelo forced the action is a credit to him.
still, based on the tapes, one could say ggg won twice, and received a draw and a loss.
Very impressive performance by Canelo but he lost almost all of the middle rounds. Outboxed by slim margins, but definitely outboxed.
I had GGG winning it by at least two, but we all knew that would not be enough in Las Vegas.
wasn't. The champion needed a knockout to win, and he couldn't do it in 24 rounds. All that talk about the judges making up for last time was just a pipe dream. Las Vegas makes all the other venues look amateurish when it comes to $$$$$$$$. But they don't do that by an accident.
Now that they've pulled it off more cleanly, the cartel are legally home and dry with the belts and their meal ticket, and GGG and camp are out in the cold. Their nightmare scenario would have been Canelo getting knocked out.
But they know the odds game and have won once more. The odds were always in their favour as Canelo has yet to come close to being knocked out.
In the end you could say GGG gambled his belts for a high price. Was the money worth it? Only he can answer that, but I bet most fighters would say it's not bad compensation.
I watched the fight three times and scored it 115-113 GGG every time. I could accept a draw in this fight if not the obvious robbery in the first fight. Golovkin should be 2-0-0 or at worse 1-0-1 against Canelo, but he's 0-1-1...then people wonder why casuals switch to MMA
